GOPER wrote:

paleocon wrote:
Yes, the Libs use divisive personal attacks.  But, I suspect your SUPPORT of the GOP with these insipid arguments actually does more harm to Republicans than the Libs' personal attacks.

My arguments are the arguements of Optimism. I am not jaded. I still believe that the United States is a great country.

Please, you are killing me!  Can't.Stop.Laughing.  

Next, you are going to tell me McCain is a rock-solid Conservative!  Oh, wait, you already said that and that nearly made me wet my pants with laughter!  Plese, tell me that John McCain is a "ultra moderate, conservative."  Or is that a "conservative ultra-moderate?"  Or is he just "liberally moderate?"  I can't keep this straight laughing like this.

paleocon wrote:

GOPER wrote:

paleocon wrote:
Yes, the Libs use divisive personal attacks.  But, I suspect your SUPPORT of the GOP with these insipid arguments actually does more harm to Republicans than the Libs' personal attacks.

My arguments are the arguements of Optimism. I am not jaded. I still believe that the United States is a great country.

Please, you are killing me!  Can't.Stop.Laughing.  

Next, you are going to tell me McCain is a rock-solid Conservative!  Oh, wait, you already said that and that nearly made me wet my pants with laughter!  Plese, tell me that John McCain is a "ultra moderate, conservative."  Or is that a "conservative ultra-moderate?"  Or is he just "liberally moderate?"  I can't keep this straight laughing like this.

Paleocon, moderate conservative is a real political term. I know you right wingers are angry but these attacks are not prudent.

In the tradition of Richard Nixon

Jerry Ford

Geroge Bush, Sr.

George Bush, Jr.

All moderates. Support the Gipper who compromised with moderates! (Amnesty 86')

GOPER wrote:

paleocon wrote:

GOPER wrote:
My arguments are the arguements of Optimism. I am not jaded. I still believe that the United States is a great country.

Please, you are killing me!  Can't.Stop.Laughing.  

Next, you are going to tell me McCain is a rock-solid Conservative!  Oh, wait, you already said that and that nearly made me wet my pants with laughter!  Plese, tell me that John McCain is a "ultra moderate, conservative."  Or is that a "conservative ultra-moderate?"  Or is he just "liberally moderate?"  I can't keep this straight laughing like this.

Paleocon, moderate conservative is a real political term. I know you right wingers are angry but these attacks are not prudent.

In the tradition of Richard Nixon
Jerry Ford
Geroge Bush, Sr.
George Bush, Jr.

All moderates. Support the Gipper who compromised with moderates! (Amnesty 86')

No, please, stop!  I can't stop laughing!  I may pass out.   I can see your vacation did you no good at all.  oh, and you left out Bob "Blue Pill" Dole.

I have to ask this question because I have not seen it asked before...is this the best candidate we could come up with? What went wrong? How did we get stuck with a doddering old man? And this comes from a doddering old man.

jrg907 wrote:I have to ask this question because I have not seen it asked before...is this the best candidate we could come up with? What went wrong? How did we get stuck with a doddering old man? And this comes from a doddering old man.

We have discussed that question many times during the primaries.  If you look through some of the older posts you will see quite a discussion on Senator McCain.  

The best I can explain this is:

The GOP primaries are designed to favor an early winner.  There are several "winner take all" states early in the process and a lot of states moved their primaries early in the season.  Then the field was crowded.  All McCain had to do was win by a small plurality and he could win a large number of delegates.  McCain seemed to realize this and took advantage of it.  The early primaries also allowed "independent" voters to vote.  And it appears there may have been some shady activity with "independent" voters coming from out of state in a couple of early primaries to vote for McCain.  The rules for voting in primaries are so lax that fraud is inevitable.  Then, candidates like Giuliani and Thompson just really never started running.  They announced, but then they didn't run.  

I think there was also a tendency for voters to swing to "the new guy" for a bit but then become disenchanted.  Romney was doing well and then Huckabee jumped in and took a lot of wind from his sails.  And for some reason, Romney gave up pretty early.  But, he did the math and figured it wasn't worth another $30 million of his own money to keep running.  

And the media had a large part to play in this.   They gave lots of favorable coverage to McCain.  He was their "boy."  

And here we are.  Conservatives can't stomach McCain because we know he will govern as a liberal.  He won't be a socialist like Obama but McCain has no systematic conservative ideology to guide him.  And he understands virtually nothing about the economy.  And he is a "global warming" believer.  And he will support amnesty for illegals.  And he really isn't a tax-cutting supply-sider.  Conservatives have no candidate this year.  And "hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils" just doesn't cut it for me any longer.

Thank you...very good post. I am sitting this one out also. Just can not support him.

jrg907 wrote:Thank you...very good post. I am sitting this one out also. Just can not support him.

I suspect a significant number of conservatives feel the same way.  If 500,000 conservatives sit this one out or vote for a third party McCain will lose.  The problem is the GOP still won't manage to learn any lessons.  I am afraid we conservatives are in for a long period in the wilderness.