Just in case GOPER missed it on the other forums.

Obama declines public financing for his campaign.  GOPER wrong again!

John McCain and his campaign manager wet their pants.

Just in case GOPER missed it on the other forums.

Obama declines public financing for his campaign.  GOPER wrong again!

John McCain and his campaign manager wet their pants.[/quote]

Our good people here at the GOP had no way of knowing that Barack Obama would not accept Public Financing. On the other hand, John McCain, a man who never waffles and sticks to his guns, even when it is politically inconvienient, will stick with public Financing

Lets stick to clean politics.

Lets stick to honest compaigning

Lets win one for the Gipper and vote for the Republican Nominee, John McCain in 2008! Like your friend Phxcon, who saw the importance of supporting our Moderate Conservative Nominee.

paleocon wrote:
We are tired of being told to "hold our noses" and vote for a liberal.  Nixon, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. told us they would govern conservatively and then failed to do so.  We are tired of being lied to and are thus no longer willing to hold our noses.  

I understand that you Ultra-con buckleyites, whtich is what you call yourselves, and not an agressive label, and not ment to be one, are angry about the moderate majority of the republican party. But John McCain is more conservative than you think. He is conservative on most issues like health care. On his last appearance on Larry King Live, Michael Moore said that John McCain Moore's Health Care plan was "too Liberal". you call that a liberal plan?

John McCain is more conservative than Barack Obama, as your friend, phxcon, pointed out in his eloquent post in suupport of John McCain. He will decrease this bloated government, whitch is something all republicans like. He has pledged to stop government earmarks, and eliminate government waste in his term. Barack Obama, a member of the Democratic party(i noticed some people were calling it the "Democrat" party we should be respectful of our opponments) will increase government spending by 260 billion, while John McCain will increase it by only 7-25 billion.

paleocon wrote:
Calling "illegal immigrants" "undocumented Americans" is an insult to Americans.  You are so concerned about not insulting "illegal immigrants" who are not entitled to vote that you will insult conservatives who are!  "Bi-partisan" is the code word for conservatives allowing socialists to do what they want.  That you don't recognize that is amazing.  

Now, i know you Ultra-Cons are all worked up about the Immigration Crisis, but we need to unite america under a Bipartisan for hope, like Obama. As i pointed out bafore using harsh terms like that could hurt our voting margins with Lations. Bush won 44% of the Latino vote in 2000, and they could
be very important to us winning in 2008. We cant risk anlienating them with Non- bi partisan, harsh words  like that.

paleocon wrote:
What is "over the top" is that John McCain believes anything in the constitution allows him to meddle in private contracts between employers and employees.  The government now believes it can set minimum and maximum wages and salarys!  That is state control of the employment marketplace.  That is "M A R X I S M!"  Clearly you must understand that.  

"Hitting big business" is popular with socialists and Marxists.  The constitution does not permit the government to intrude in private economic decisions.  That is state control of business and is only slightly different from outright nationalization.  That is "M A R X I S M!"  Clearly you must understand that.  

John McCain fought the Communists in Vietnam! How in hell could he be a communist? They tortured him! Im sorry, but you buckleyites need to take a breather and calm down and lookm at the facts of the situation. CEO's are one very spesific part of the economy, and it is a good thing he wants toi regulate greedy company exces. But john McCain is conservative on most economic issues like Health Care

paleocon wrote:There is no such thing as a "moderate conservative."  John McCain has attacked our constitution for years.  He supports legislation that is clearly unconstitutional and therefore, if he appointed strick constructionists, those appointees would vote against many of McCain's own legislative achievements.  Furthermore, McCain can only nominate.  The Senate must confirm.  Therefore, McCain, the great compromiser, will be pressured to choose judges the liberal Democrats will accept.  For these reasons I do not accept McCain's pledge to nominate strick constructionists.  

Jerry Ford, Richard Nixon,  and the bushes were Moderate Conservatives and you buckleyites voted for them. Vote for John McCain this year too.

paleocon wrote:John McCain is NOT "The Gipper."  A vote for John McCain will not be a win for conservatives.  

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN!  

When im through with you , you will. maybe. hopefully. possiably.

Actually, GOPER, I am through with this pointless conversation. You keep cutting and pasting the same comments over and over. If your boilerplate posts full of vapid, illogical, factually unsupported statements haven't convinced me the first 5 times, why do you expect the 6th time will cause an epiphany?

"Oh, well, John McCain isn't as liberal as I thought? Really, well, I must have missed that the first five times you said it. Now I get it!" Not going to happen.

My explaining why your inane posts are inane, only to have you repeat the same inane post, verbatim, is a waste of my time.

Nobody is going to convince me to vote for John McCain. I made up my mind about him in 2000. I suspect you were in grade school in 2000. I understand who and what John McCain is. You can believe his press releases if you want. But, you know you are in trouble when you start believing your own press releases.

I am going to bid you adieu at this point and simply place you on ignore. It is pointless to listen to your badly written, poorly spelled, cut and paste posts taken from the McCain campaign web site. Good luck finding a rube to switch sides.

Well, frankly im satisfied with the results I have gotten

Reality: Took credit for "convincing" one marginal one time poster who said that he would reluctantly support McCain "the Moke" in the fall in a post more than two weeks before i joined The board.

How im going to spin it to my superiors: Completely convinced a major figure on the board, who will bring at least 25 votes, proving that talk radio people can be convinved.

Reality:Got smashed in multiple debates and left the board in humiliation and disgrace. Most important poster on the board said he thought I was in "grade school". Second biggest poster literally thought it was one big joke.

How im going to spin it to my superiors: Sucessfully and eloquently debated the two biggest posters on the baard. They said they would seriously consider voting for McCain.

Reality: A lone man completely dismantled and out argued practically all of the official McCain talking points, some of which were actually written by McCain himself. Invoking John McCain's distinguished war record had virtually no effect on the debate, proving that it may not be particularly effective in winning over far-right voters.

How im going to spin it to my superiors: Sucessfully argued and got all talking points across with little trouble. John McCain's war record was a major factor and easily won over many of the posters on Rush Limbaugh Forum.

Reality: Overall impression of McCain probably went downhill becuase of my presence here,and the use of official GOP and McCain talking points, having the opposite of intended effect. Some were quote "jaw dropped" by how "out of touch" Official McCain Campaign Talking points were.

How im going to spin it to my superiors: Negative opinions of John McCain completely reversed. Only a few Right Wing hardliners are holding out. Most moving toward voting for McCain

Reality: Im going to leave for about 4-6 weeks and pray you all just forget most of my bad comments and when I come back, you will be more open to voting for McCain.

How im going to spin it to my superiors: Was completely accepted as a member of the community and will be allowed to stay and continue to win over disaffeced buckleyites.

Its really quite astounding, watching the GOP self-destruct. The last eight years has so destroyed your credibility and your favor with the American people, that serious harm has been done to the Conservative movement.

Yet, grasping at straws, and still defending an Administration that, as each days passes, is being shown to be criminal, malfeasant, inept, and yes, treasonous, you still commit to the same rhetoric and destructively divisive political strategies.

Even as you grit your teeth in pain, having to field a candidate that is disfavored by both right and left, you cannot seem to admit to the mistakes, malfeasance, and criminality that has been the hallmark of the Bush Administration. There is a reason that you cannot field a candidate of higher Conservative quality than this poor bumbling buffoon, McCain. And you need look no further than these past eight years to find that reason.

As any good alcoholic or addict knows, (just ask Rush), anyone that has been in treatment has heard the trite adage about the definition of "insanity"; Committing to the same destructive actions, over and over, yet expecting different results every time.

Well, the GOP is currently insane, by that definition. And it is Dick Cheney and George Bush that drove you there.

FatAddict wrote:Its really quite astounding, watching the GOP self-destruct. The last eight years has so destroyed your credibility and your favor with the American people, that serious harm has been done to the Conservative movement.

Few of us here identify as "Republicans."  Many, and perhaps most of us, consider ourselves "Conservatives" and are quite unhappy with what "moderate Republicans," or "RINOs" have done to the party since George Bush (41) took office.  We do agree that RINOs in the GOP have done serious harm to the Conservative movement though.   They may have finally managed to drive a significan't number of conservatives out of the GOP.  

FatAddict wrote:Yet, grasping at straws, and still defending an Administration that, as each days passes, is being shown to be criminal, malfeasant, inept, and yes, treasonous, you still commit to the same rhetoric and destructively divisive political strategies.

Once again, read the threads before you post.  Really, it is simply common courtesy.  Virtually NO ONE here is staunch supporter of Bush.  But, to call them "criminal, malfeasant,... and yes, treasonous" is a bit much.  I will give you inept in many, many cases.  

FatAddict wrote:Even as you grit your teeth in pain, having to field a candidate that is disfavored by both right and left, you cannot seem to admit to the mistakes, malfeasance, and criminality that has been the hallmark of the Bush Administration. There is a reason that you cannot field a candidate of higher Conservative quality than this poor bumbling buffoon, McCain. And you need look no further than these past eight years to find that reason.

As any good alcoholic or addict knows, (just ask Rush), anyone that has been in treatment has heard the trite adage about the definition of "insanity"; Committing to the same destructive actions, over and over, yet expecting different results every time.

Well, the GOP is currently insane, by that definition. And it is Dick Cheney and George Bush that drove you there.

Again, read the posts.  Few people here are McCain supporters.  I am willing to bet almost no regular posters in this forum voted for McCain in a primary.  Many of us will be voting 3rd party or staying at home in the General Election.  A few people have decided to "hold their noses" one more time.  But, not that many on this board.  And I suspect a most of us agree that RINOs are largely the reason that the GOP is in trouble.  

However, most of us do not share in your "Bush Derangement Syndrome."  I know the leftists/Marxist out there want to make Bush/Cheney the focus of all evil in the universe but that belief is a simply a pathology.

"Even as you grit your teeth in pain, having to field a candidate that is disfavored by both right and left, you cannot seem to admit to the mistakes, malfeasance, and criminality that has been the hallmark of the Bush Administration. There is a reason that you cannot field a candidate of higher Conservative quality than this poor bumbling buffoon, McCain. And you need look no further than these past eight years to find that reason. "

Our president hads done an amazing job and he is not a bumbling idiot. Democrats claim to be bipartisan but they are not bipartisan in reality. They use divisive personal attacks.

And nearly all republicans more than 70% support McCain according to reliable polls.

GOPER wrote:
Our president hads done an amazing job and he is not a bumbling idiot. Democrats claim to be bipartisan but they are not bipartisan in reality. They use divisive personal attacks.

And nearly all republicans more than 70% support McCain according to reliable polls.

Yes, the Libs use divisive personal attacks.  But, I suspect your SUPPORT of the GOP with these insipid arguments actually does more harm to Republicans than the Libs' personal attacks.

paleocon wrote:

GOPER wrote:
Our president hads done an amazing job and he is not a bumbling idiot. Democrats claim to be bipartisan but they are not bipartisan in reality. They use divisive personal attacks.

And nearly all republicans more than 70% support McCain according to reliable polls.

Yes, the Libs use divisive personal attacks.  But, I suspect your SUPPORT of the GOP with these insipid arguments actually does more harm to Republicans than the Libs' personal attacks.

My arguments are the arguements of Optimism. I am not jaded. I still believe that the United States is a great country.