Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby Eyas on 07/07/08, 11:30 pm

This is BIG NEWS, so I'm sure that everyone has already seen it ALL OVER the MSM.  Boy, it's practically non-stop!  Can we PLEASE talk about something else?  Like Christie Brinkley's divorce -- now THAT'S news!!


AP Exclusive: US removes uranium from Iraq
July 6, 2008
By BRIAN MURPHY   Associated Press Writer

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear programa huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans. (emphasis added)

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.

"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.
"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

The deal culminated more than a year of intense diplomatic and military initiatives — kept hushed in fear of ambushes or attacks once the convoys were under way: first carrying 3,500 barrels by road to Baghdad, then on 37 military flights to the Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia and finally aboard a U.S.-flagged ship for a 8,500-mile trip to Montreal.

And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts to stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about Saddam's weapons capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion.  (Yes, "in a symbolic way".  But not in an actual, physical, RADIOACTIVE way.)

Accusations that Saddam had tried to purchase more yellowcake from the African nation of Niger — and an article by a former U.S. ambassador refuting the claims — led to a wide-ranging probe into Washington leaks that reached high into the Bush administration.

Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam's nuclear efforts.

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

U.S. and Iraqi forces have guarded the 23,000-acre site — surrounded by huge sand berms — following a wave of looting after Saddam's fall that included villagers toting away yellowcake storage barrels for use as drinking water cisterns.

Yellowcake is obtained by using various solutions to leach out uranium from raw ore and can have a corn meal-like color and consistency. It poses no severe risk if stored and sealed properly. But exposure carries well-documented health concerns associated with heavy metals such as damage to internal organs, experts say.

"The big problem comes with any inhalation of any of the yellowcake dust," said Doug Brugge, a professor of public health issues at the Tufts University School of Medicine.

Moving the yellowcake faced numerous hurdles.

Diplomats and military leaders first weighed the idea of shipping the yellowcake overland to Kuwait's port on the Persian Gulf. Such a route, however, would pass through Iraq's Shiite heartland and within easy range of extremist factions, including some that Washington claims are aided by Iran. The ship also would need to clear the narrow Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf, where U.S. and Iranian ships often come in close contact.
Kuwaiti authorities, too, were reluctant to open their borders to the shipment despite top-level lobbying from Washington.

An alternative plan took shape: shipping out the yellowcake on cargo planes.

But the yellowcake still needed a final destination. Iraqi government officials sought buyers on the commercial market, where uranium prices spiked at about $120 per pound last year. It's currently selling for about half that. The Cameco deal was reached earlier this year, the official said.

At that point, U.S.-led crews began removing the yellowcake from the Saddam-era containers — some leaking or weakened by corrosion — and reloading the material into about 3,500 secure barrels.

In April, truck convoys started moving the yellowcake from Tuwaitha to Baghdad's international airport, the official said. Then, for two weeks in May, it was ferried in 37 flights to Diego Garcia, a speck of British territory in the Indian Ocean where the U.S. military maintains a base.

On June 3, an American ship left the island for Montreal, said the official, who declined to give further details about the operation.

The yellowcake wasn't the only dangerous item removed from Tuwaitha.

Earlier this year, the military withdrew four devices for controlled radiation exposure from the former nuclear complex. The lead-enclosed irradiation units, used to decontaminate food and other items, contain elements of high radioactivity that could potentially be used in a weapon, according to the official. Their Ottawa-based manufacturer, MDS Nordion, took them back for free, the official said. (Sure, selling Nuclear Materiel to a Terrorist State ... No problem.  No questions asked.  Just take it back {maybe sell it to a different terrorist State}.  No problem, really.)

The yellowcake was the last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts, but years of final cleanup is ahead for Tuwaitha and other smaller sites. (Emphasis added, obviously)

The U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency plans to offer technical expertise.

Last month, a team of Iraqi nuclear experts completed training in the Ukrainian ghost town of Pripyat, which once housed the Chernobyl workers before the deadly meltdown in 1986, said an IAEA official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decontamination plan has not yet been publicly announced.

But the job ahead is enormous, complicated by digging out radioactive "hot zones" entombed in concrete during Saddam's rule, said the IAEA official. Last year, an IAEA safety expert, Dennis Reisenweaver, predicted the cleanup could take "many years."

The yellowcake issue also is one of the many troubling footnotes of the war for Washington.

A CIA officer, Valerie Plame, claimed her identity was leaked to journalists to retaliate against her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who wrote that he had found no evidence to support assertions that Iraq tried to buy additional yellowcake from Niger.

A federal investigation led to the conviction of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.




Actually, I'm rather astounded that the AP released this.
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Re: Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby ultracon on 07/07/08, 11:58 pm

Me too, but the damage has been done.  We needed this info back when the MSM was convincing us all that we were all wrong about Sadam.  Why the hell isn't Bush shoving this down their throats????  He just takes it on the backside and says "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
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Re: Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby Eyas on 07/08/08, 12:56 am

ultracon wrote:Me too, but the damage has been done.  We needed this info back when the MSM was convincing us all that we were all wrong about Sadam.  Why the hell isn't Bush shoving this down their throats????  He just takes it on the backside and says "Thank you sir, may I have another?"


I don't know.  I guess that it is simply a fight that he feels he cannot win against the combined might and lies of the MSM.

An equally effective, and equally provable, case could have been made based on intelligence and observations of truck movements into Syria immediately prior to our invasion of Iraq.  Doing so, however, would have demanded war against Syria - given the Bush Admin's premises for war in Iraq.

I've always thought that our invasion of Iraq was part of a piece-meal strategy to eliminate several Terrorist States in the Middle-East; and was also an attempt to "surround" Iran.  Thus, I initially never bought the WMD explanation for our invasion of Iraq as anything more than an "excuse" that would be more palatable to the American public and the MSM.  

Personally, I wished that we had straightforwardly stated that we were invading Iraq because it was a Terror-Sponsoring State - and for no other reason - and that all other State-Sponsors of terrorism were "On-Notice" of imminent invasion at our discretion.  I think the fact that Saddam DID have WMD just provided the Administration with a more generally acceptable reason for invading.

I don't think, and have never thought, that we needed any excuse other than the State Department's designation (during the Clinton-era, no less) that a Nation was a State Sponsor of Terrorism in order for us to be justified in invading any of these countries.   So, I obviously would have had no problem with declaring war on Syria.  Not because they accepted Saddam's WMD, but because they, too, are a State Sponsor of Terrorism.  In fact, they have sponsored far more terrorism than Iraq ever did.

But, I think that war with Syria was simply more than the Bush Admin was willing bite-off and chew at the time.

Now, in the last months of Bush's tenure, I just think they've chalked up the WMD issue as an irrevocably lost cause.  That so many Americans have been convinced by the MSM that there never were WMD in Iraq, that they would just think that any evidence to the contrary was "made-up" by Bush.

Also, I imagine that Dick Cheney and Karl Rove personally carried and "planted" the yellowcake in a place that our military would find it.  Just like they personally detonated levees during hurricane Katrina.  

BDS is tough to overcome.  I think that even George W. himself recognizes this.
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Re: Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby watcher on 07/08/08, 3:27 am

I think that Bush Jr. knows what he did with Iraq was the only way to bring attention to the entire Middle East and specifically Iran. Iraq was a problem that needed to be dealt with but by going in there we are also a stones throw from Iran.
I believe it goes way beyond WMD, which is certainly a major reason but it is about Radical Islamic Extremists. Jimmy Carter’s administration set this clock running but more recently this goes all the way back to Saddam going into Kuwait. Bush Sr. saw it like how Hitler went through Poland.  Think how different things may have been if someone had stopped that and taken Hitler out right then?  So Saddam was stopped but the rest of the world did not see him for what he truly was. We would have been so much better off had we just kept going and beat his sorry butt the first time.  Saddam was a tyrant.  Had he been left in play untouched he would have eventually started another full-fledged war with Iran. Fast forward the middle east to right about now without any of the intervention in the last 26 years and Iraq and Iran would have been lobbing nukes at each other. Bush Sr. could not get the backing to take him out all together back then. So he had to settle for the no fly zone. Had Bush Sr. been re-elected back into office I think this whole Iraq war would have taken place much earlier and we would not be looking a Iran being a hairs breadth away from having nuclear capabilities.
Unfortunately, since Saddam got to stay Saddam got nuttier and pushed even harder to get back in a position of taking another stab at world power. When we did finally go after him the rest of the Middle East was not lamenting about him being taken out of power. There was the public squawking but looking back it wasn’t very loud or a very long squawk.
Saddam was a ticking time bomb. The rest of the world had earplugs in. I think that is why Al-Quida ended up in Iraq. The two were a perfect match. Osama wasn’t getting support from his family to set up camp on Saudi sand. Saudi’s have always paid off terrorists to keep them from being anywhere but in Saudi Arabia.  Saddam was getting self-satisfaction in believing that he would have a hand in ‘brining terror to the US”. Of course the collapsing of the towers was not really part of the plan so the Osama crew got a whole lot more attention than they bargained for and so did Saddam. I also thing that since Clinton didn’t do much about Osama there may have been some miscalculation on Saddam’s part in letting Osama set up shop in Iraq in the first place.
Because of 9/11 Bush Jr. eventually got the response from the rest of world that Bush Sr. didn’t get. Intelligence had been coming in bits and pieces for a number of years and although we know now that a lot of it was Saddam’s own false bravado there was enough real clear stuff to be certain what he was up to. The chemical attacks on the Kurds and all those air stream trailers moving about the sand dunes are a few things that come to mind.
I also think that Bush miscalculated Putin in this whole Iran thing.  If Mother Russia wasn’t trying to resurrect herself back into a Communist bloc Iran would not be the danger it is today. Well it wouldn’t be as big as a danger. The sanctions have been working, at least as far as the general people of Iran, and had there not been so much ‘help’ to President Tom from Russia the Iranian people would have been in stronger position to get their country back out of the hands of Extremists. I think we would have already been done fighting in Iraq and had bases set up. Add a few more years in the plan and Iran would have been much in a much weaker position and lot closer to having a new peaceful power base in charge.
Now we have another major ticking time bomb.
I grew up under the threat of a nuclear war. They use to have drills every month and ring the school alarm bells; two was for fire and everybody went outside by the nearest exit, three was for ‘bomb’ and we all used to line up in the hallway and lean against the walls with our arms over our heads.  Ignorance is bliss.
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Re: Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby the Yeti on 07/08/08, 12:38 pm

WOW, here it is FINALLY, the SMOKING GUN !! the YELLOWCAKE has surfaced and Bush is exonerated.....
NOT



If you check into this, you’ll quickly find that the uranium
a) was not weapons grade and
b) was well known to the UN and IAEA and was being stored legally by Saddam’s government. It was legally in Iraq according to international law.

This yellow cake referenced in this story was known to International Arms Inspectors, and had been under control sense 1992, after the Gulf war. I beleive Hans Blix and his merry band of men and women had inspected and knew about this stuff.

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.


The reason Bush and the GOP leadership (McCain included) are not toughting this as their great "war justification" moment is that they KNOW that it's NOT. and he will be lambasted by the FACTS if he comes out and claims it as such. he will  let his lackies do it on the web, right wing radio, and faux news where facts are few and far between.
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Re: Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby Eyas on 07/08/08, 12:48 pm

the Yeti wrote:WOW, here it is FINALLY, the SMOKING GUN !! the YELLOWCAKE has surfaced and Bush is exonerated.....
NOT




If you check into this, you’ll quickly find that the uranium
a) was not weapons grade and
b) was well known to the UN and IAEA and was being stored legally by Saddam’s government. It was legally in Iraq according to international law.

This yellow cake referenced in this story was known to International Arms Inspectors, and had been under control sense 1992, after the Gulf war. I beleive Hans Blix and his merry band of men and women had inspected and knew about this stuff.

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.


The reason Bush and the GOP leadership (McCain included) are not toughting this as their great "war justification" moment is that they KNOW that it's NOT. and he will be lambasted by the FACTS if he comes out and claims it as such. he will  let his lackies do it on the web, right wing radio, and faux news where facts are few and far between.
Bush and the GOP thank you for the help.



Source please.
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Re: Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby the Yeti on 07/08/08, 12:56 pm

Eyas wrote:[
Source please.


Try Google and read read read.

here is one.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.


You will see how the GOP uses this. Not the GOP attack dogs, but the actual leaders like Bush, boehner, MCCain etc... they will NOT claim this as the smoking gun because they know the ridicule they will receive.
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Re: Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby watcher on 07/08/08, 3:33 pm

Yeti, you are sourcing the same AP article.
The point is that this fact was not reported for how many years? Everytime the media cried there was never any evidence of Saddam ever tring to get WMD they just never seemed to remember about this. What do you think Saddam would have done with the yellow-cake.  Snort it.
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Re: Yellowcake - with yummy "Plame" frosting.

Postby the Yeti on 07/08/08, 5:45 pm

watcher wrote:Yeti, you are sourcing the same AP article.
The point is that this fact was not reported for how many years? Everytime the media cried there was never any evidence of Saddam ever tring to get WMD they just never seemed to remember about this. What do you think Saddam would have done with the yellow-cake.  Snort it.


He

would have

  could have

might have

KILLED US ALL

IF he had a NUKE.  

but he

DID NOT.

so he couldn't

and didnt.



Why is Bush not crowing from the highest mountain that this is HIS SMOKING GUN. he is VINDICATED!!! we all know why, dont we?? just as i stated before.


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Postby bedbug on 07/08/08, 7:22 pm

I was struck by a line in the AP story, something about "clean nuclear energy." I was under the impression that nuclear energy is certain death for us all. Is this an AP flip flop, or an editorial oversight?
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