Antisoros wrote:Lol, McNasty/Huckabee will go down in flames, and I'll help that.

Can you please clarify your position? Kthxbye.

Sorry.  Sometimes I find it difficult to speak my mind and be as direct as I would like.

John McCain is less 4 voters in my household, we will vote for other local candidates for office in the 2008 election.  For the first time in my voting lifetime I will not be voting for a U.S. President.  I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN McCAIN to represent me.  I would rather have Hillary who admits she is a liberal as President than have John MCain who is a turncoat.  I will proudly NOT VOTE for him, for he does not vote for me.

CJH

roclith wrote:John McCain is less 4 voters in my household, we will vote for other local candidates for office in the 2008 election.  For the first time in my voting lifetime I will not be voting for a U.S. President.  I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN McCAIN to represent me.  I would rather have Hillary who admits she is a liberal as President than have John MCain who is a turncoat.  I will proudly NOT VOTE for him, for he does not vote for me.

CJH

I understand and agree completely.  It is time to form a Conservative Party.  Frankly, I expect some evangelical Christian leaders are currently doing more than just thinking about this.  

A "conservative" party would effectively function as an anchor to keep the GOP from straying too far to the left.  Right now, they can and do ignore conservatives all too frequently.  If we form our own party, they will have to court us rather than taking us for granted.  

McCain's nominiation will be the end of the GOP.  It may take several years, but the GOP is just walking dead.  

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN!  

Hey everyone! Sorry I haven't been around much, but I have been reading the boards.

I can also attest to some half a dozen people in my own family who have been persuaded to stay away from McCain. Several people in my family are not political junkies like me and go by what they see on the news. I emailed them information about McCain so they would know the truth.

I'm doing everything I can to help McCain get beat. 21 years in the Senate has proven to us he can't get crap accomplished, and 4 years in the White House would be more of the same.

And yes, your Hitler/Stalin analogy is correct. In another 20 years I think it will realistically be "let's vote for John Edwards to stop Hugo Chavez" and the sheep will go right along.

candance wrote:
I'm doing everything I can to help McCain get beat. 21 years in the Senate has proven to us he can't get crap accomplished, and 4 years in the White House would be more of the same.

Well, I don't know what I will do do defeat him, but I know that if I cast a vote at all in November, it will NOT be for the Republican nominee for the first time in almost 30 years.  I have had it with the GOP.  They have treated  conservatives, and especially Christian conservatives, with disrepected, disdain, and outright hostility since Reagan left office.  Let's see what they can do without us.  

It is time for a conservative party and I think the GOP just took the first, big step in insuring the birth of one.

Talk show hosts around DC seem to be taking up the term “suicide voters” to refer to conservatives who will not support McCain.  That is offensive on so many levels that I hardly know where to start.  But, I shall try and exert myself to remain calm and collected in the face of vitriol and personal insults.  

First, the idea is that we are holding true to a conviction seems to escape these hosts.   Or perhaps it is the fact that since they so readily abandoned their convictions that they can only impugn the motives of us who cannot flip-flop on core principles so easily.  Therefore, we must be “childish.”

Secondly, there is the “lesser or two evils.”  But, here they refuse to acknowledge that rational people don’t agree with them that McCain is actually the lesser of two evils.  Therefore, since we don’t agree with them, we must be irrational or “childish.”  

The simple fact is that McCain shamefully attacked political speech recently.  He may, on one side of the coin, support the war on terror, but, on the other side of the same coin, he undermines the war when he demands closing Gitmo and giving illegal combatant terrorists due process rights in American courts.  We didn’t do this with German POWs in WW2 but now he demands we give it to illegal combatants!  What kind of legal reasoning is this?  

He clearly has no understanding of capitalism.  His quote, posted on this forum, about not supporting “unfettered capitalism” is as frightening as his views on free speech.

Then, there is the issue of judges.  Except that McCain thinks Ailito is “too conservative.”  If Ailito is too conservative, can we reasonably expect a true conservative to be nominated?  We would be lucky to get a Souter out of McCain.  Hoping for a Roberts or Thomas or Scalia is nothing more than a flight of fancy.  

Finally, there is his unflagging support for amnesty for 20 million or more illegal aliens.  Frankly, I see the democrats making significant gains in the House and Senate next year.  Hoping to get even 40 conservative Senators to filibuster another go at “McCain/Kennedy” is highly optimistic.  Any president, McCain, Obama or Clinton, is very likely to have a high probability of getting amnesty through congress.  Once that is done, McCain may well be the last “republican” elected for a very long time.  20 million new votes will swamp the polls voting for the people who promise them the most.  And those people will be democrats.  The voting of conservatives will be so diluted by 20 million new victim voters that we may never be able to balance the political scales again.  I am not saying this MUST happen; only that it is more likely to happen now than when we had a chance of defeating McCain.

These same hosts keep saying that conservatives will have to bring pressure against McCain once he is in office.  Pray tell, how we can do that since once he is elected he has no further need of conservatives.  McCain is almost certainly a one-shot, one-term president.  He will be completely free of any ability of anyone to influence him.  Besides, it McCain has demonstrated his continued disdain and uncompromising tone toward conservatives.  He routinely vilifies us at every chance.  Why in the world would he be inclined to change once elected?

Finally, I am virtually certain McCain cannot win in the general election.  The GOP elite has once again demanded that we nominate an unelectable candidate.  It is very simple math when you think about it.

In 2004 Bush took 62 million votes to 59 million for John Kerry.  That is a difference of 3 million votes.  But, a few thousand or even a few hundred votes in some states could have flipped certain states to Kerry.  

Here comes the ugly math.  Well, ugly for McCain and the GOP elite if they weren’t so arrogant to look at facts.  Rush Limbaugh has an audience of roughly 30 million regular listeners.  If ½ of Rush’s audience are core conservatives who are normally very likely to vote, that means 15 million core GOP voters are Rush fans.  That is ¼ of the total votes Bush got in 2004.  

If 10% of Rush’s audience is so disaffected with the GOP that they will not vote then the GOP just lost 1.5 million votes.  That is ½ of the margin of victory in the last election!  1.5 million votes could flip half a dozen states from red to blue.  

Now suppose that McCain turns on the charm.  (Yeah, right, like that will happen.  McCain and charm?  Not likely!)  If McCain manages to swing 90% of those 1.5 million disaffected voters back to him he still loses.  That is right.  Even if McCain convinces 90% of 1.5 million disaffected Rush fans to vote for him he still loses.  Why?  Because the 10% he doesn’t get is 150,000 and that number, could still swing 2 to 10 states.  It is not hard to imagine McCain failing to take Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri, and Ohio in the next go around.  These were either Huckabee states or very close states in 2004.  Simple math indicates that McCain will go down in flames because he cannot take 100% of the conservative base.  

Obama or Clinton will be the next president of the United States.  One of them may very well be the first Secretary General too.  

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN!  

LOL - suicide voters - I bet it makes it onto Sean Hannity's show by tomorrow.

I'm sick of hearing about stopping Hillary. If they really wanted to stop her you'd think they would really try with a better challenger. I honestly don't think they care. If the Dems ran with Joseph Stalin, the GOP would promote Fidel Castro because he wasn't quite as bad. Shut yer whinin and vote for Castro - at least you have a choice ya know!

If this society gets any more numbed to socialism there will be a breaking point. The people will literally be so brainwashed that when a great leader comes along and tries to start a fire, no one will listen. If we are the minority and we struggle, that's okay. But we can't drift any farther from home.

To borrow a phrase from the Bible: if your salt loses its very saltiness, how do you get that flavor back?

Hey!  You might be on to a slogan there.  "Vote for McCain - He isn't has bad as Stalin or Castro!"  

That's got to be better than his mother's slogan - "Yes, I think holding their nose they're going to have to take him."

She must be the diplomat of the family.  There was no profanity attributed to her in the whole article....

You know, every post on this page is excellent, a very rare occurance.

I've also heard this election's shaping up to be a choice of Mao v. Stalin. On the BoR show yesterday, he was referring to all the opposition over McLame as "hate speech", and cried about conservatives calling Juan Juan and we're supposed to be happy because Juan sucked up his gut and actually pandered to CPAC Thursday - the only thing that would have made me happy was for him to totally renounce his support for amnesty, but of course, he didn't. He didn't want to.

That's probably the last ring-wing speech he'll ever make. and it had a  forced quality  to it as well. I'd like to thank the Independent voters and fake Republicans in both SC and FL for nominting some who is both unelectable and unacceptable. The primary here is in a few days.

Go Hillary, you magnificent socialist you!

Antisoros wrote:You know, every post on this page is excellent, a very rare occurance.

Well, I must humbly agree with you.  

I'd like to thank the academy for this acknowledgment tonight.  There are so many people to thank....

Oh, wait.  Wrong speech.