Whoa, whoa, whoa, people.

I feel like I'm in bizarro-world.

Everyone (including Dennis Prager and others) seems to be discussing all sorts of unpredictible or irrelevant aspects of these shootings, and bizarre solutions.  I realize that the media likes to use such incidents to further an anti-gun agenda.  I recognize the irony of these shootings occurring in a "gun-free" zone.  Crazy people will often do crazy, and even homicidal things.  Of course, being crazy doesn't necessarily mean they can't appreciate the danger of doing their shootings in a place where others are armed.  Do they commit these acts only because they're crazy - OR because they're crazy AND they're losers seeking fame - OR because they're crazy & off their meds - OR .... - OR ...  Should we allow students to be armed?  Should we allow professors to be armed? (how many Leftist professors would do this) Should we require professors to be armed?  Will this act as a deterrent? Will this lead to "Wild West" shootouts?

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WHOA!  Settle down now folks.

What say we slowly back away from theories of causes, and intricate, overly-complex social arguments about potential solutions ...... and hire a few professional armed security guards.

Why isn't this the most obvious answer?
Why isn't this what everyone, on all sides of the issue, talks about after these shooting?
If shootings still happen, so be it; one cannot avoid all acts of all crazy would-be murderers.
Just hire some competent security.

Am I insane?  Or does this make sense to ANYONE else?

Please, SOMEBODY, tell me I'm not alone on this one.

Eyas wrote:What say we slowly back away from theories of causes, and intricate, overly-complex social arguments about potential solutions ...... and hire a few professional armed security guards.

Why isn't this the most obvious answer?
Why isn't this what everyone, on all sides of the issue, talks about after these shooting?
If shootings still happen, so be it; one cannot avoid all acts of all crazy would-be murderers.
Just hire some competent security.

Am I insane?  Or does this make sense to ANYONE else?

Please, SOMEBODY, tell me I'm not alone on this one.

What are you THINKING!  Armed Fascists patrolling peaceful islands of freedom!  You must be crazy.  Cops and "security guards" are fascists just looking for opportunities to oppress minorities and suppress voters.  They have no deterrent effect on crime.  In fact, police CAUSE crime.  The more of them the more crime and hate you will have.  That is unless they are one of the 100,000 Bill Clinton put on the streets using federal funds because we know federally funded cops are great as long as they don't have guns and stay inside the police departments and never leave the building to oppress minorities and suppress voters.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the people most likely to snap were the ones that were over protected by their parents or had too many rules. Mothers in America today are being trained to do everything in their power to protect their children from harm. We never wore helmets, knee pads and elbow pads when we learned to ride bikes. We weren't escorted around the neighborhood by our parents on Halloween. And if you didn't make the football team, too bad. Some parents also expect far more out of their children and set standards impossible to obtain. When these children are so intensely groomed for success and then grow up and enter the real world, they don't know what to do when they fail. Their whole world comes crashing down around them and they just snap.

I think this comes close to hitting the nail on the head. Children NEED to be allowed to fail while they're at home in their parent's care. I think intentions are good and I even have to remind myself that it's a good and necessary thing for children to experiance NOT making the football team or cheerleading squad, fall off their bikes, experiance rejection and yes, even pain. There's so much to gain when they can LEARN from their mistakes and it's the job of parents to steer them in the right direction when they do. Self esteem can only be accomplished when a kid (or adult) tries at something, fails, figures out the solution and then succedes! It does nothing for them when you do it for them or blame their failures on some "condtion" (depression, ADHD, learning disability, bad teachers, mean kids, whatever.)

Hey man, I agree with you. It's fun to talk about social ills and complex reasons for things that happen, but at the end of the day it's all about saving lives. Put an armed guard on every campus and allow teachers to take self-defensive measures. I would want that for kids of my own.

Here is my 'non-peer reviewed' answer to this question, and I don't think it's really that complicated.

I believe the primary reason for these tragedies is the result of teaching evolution in our school system for the last generation!  It is not an unrelated coincidence that Hitler and Stalin were enthusiastic evolutionists and also mass murderers without regard for the sanctity of life.

We teach our children that mankind arrived here as some kind of one-in-a-trillion accident.  We teach them that we are no different from the animals.  We teach them that man is insignificant and that our race was born out of some kind of  murky primodial soup.  We teach them that there is no creator - GOD, and no real purpose to life - or hope of an 'after' life.

Instead of teaching our children that they are 'a little less than the angels', we teach them that they are little more than the apes.

Then, we are suprised when these kids grow up with little or no regard for the sanctity of their own lives, much less the sanctity of the lives of others.  It is not in the least surprising to me.  'We have sown the wind and now we are reaping the whirlwind.'

Evolution must ultimately lead to dispair for these and more reasons.  If we are a cosmic accident then we can have no inherent value.  The "random" collection elements in our molecules is no more or less valuable than any other random collection of molecules on any lifeless asteroid meandering through the universe.  

But, frankly, mental illness seems to be the proximate cause in Virginia Tech and NIU.  Two very sick people did unspeakable things.  I don't know if we can safely blame their mental illness on evolution.

Here what Pixeewinged had to say:

" I think its a mixture of everything everyone has so far said. I think each individual that commits these crimes has their own different reasons for doing so.. Im sure the man that killed those amish children had very seperate reasons from the columbine kids.
But there is the question of why it seems to be happening more often in America. I think the answer to that is our media.. and I'm not talking about movies or video games - hell I have seen some pretty f'd up stuff come out of other countries...

I think it has to do with how we have set our culture up. We have these celebrities that break the law all the time, but because of thier money and fame, are given no concequences for their actions... and you could say likewise about the corporate elitest criminals who screw workers and share holders out of billions, and walk away with not even a slap on the wrist. I think there is something in this prefferential treatment that taints the meanings we hold of right and wrong.

Then you have this seepage into all media about how great and just and fair and wonderful america is... This glorification seems to seep into sitcoms, made for tv movies, reality tv, the news, sports... you name it.. I think to some degree its been programed quite literally into the american psyche, so much so that most people dont even know what words like great and just mean in terms of nationalism.

Our culture is based on fame fortune and nationalism - meaning your expected to want or to have all three... and our corporate media overlords are focused on pounding that message home, erasing any doubt, and criticizing any questioning. They continueously try to convince us that the emperor is indeed wearing cloths.

The use of sensationalism is the oldest media tool around.. it always seems to work, you've gotta admit, everyone loves a good story. Which is why when these so called "shocking" instances occur, the media goes nuts!

every news organization covers the story to death.. they talk to john in the news chopper, then back to you dan in the news room, then out to dawn in the field then back to tanya and bill in the discussion room with live feeds from experts and stories from those on the ground, then back out to bob who is covering the vigil, and off to greg who is on the site of the last incident who is with lynn the mother of one of the students killed, shes crying and holding a picture of her beautiful white all american son in his football garb, then its back to the news room for a message from our sponsers - thanks dow chemical, coke, and toyota, I feel better about my day... then we are back with micheal moore, anne coulter, and our special guest rosie o'donnell... thanks rosie for being here, how are things between you and trump? - haha anyway, back to the tragic story at hand... and you get the idea..

Then they make sure to write a special episode of ER that coincides perfectly with the new law and order and whatever other drama's are on that week "depicting no actual event" but with oddly similar stories. American Idol does a tribute, Bill O'reilly spouts about the tragedy of it all, airport security increases, the threat level goes up to orange- schools are locked down, metal detectors are installed in pre schools and the whole bloody mess plays out like some crazy orwellian nightmare.....

So what we end up with is people who are being told they are supposed to be famous from a very young age, famous people who can break the law without consequence, people that break the law becoming famous (but only if its shocking enough, after all people like a good story) and its not hard to see how someone disillusioned by it all, might figure it a good way to make their mark on the world..

partially perhaps to wipe thier ass with the preverbial white picket fence notion, to show how angry and hurt and lonely they are, to take back what the world "owes" to them and so on...

Its sort of like that quote from fight club "We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." I hate to quote pop culture while condemning the very same, but, in this case it sorta hits the nail on the head

sigh, I dont know if I just blabbered on a whole lot about nothing, or if there was a point hidden in there somewhere... but at any rate, I think somewhere in there some truth lies... but thats just my opinion."


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Here what Sun.....had to say:

" Hand any American three year old child any object even remotely shaped like a gun and he'll point it at you and yell "BANG!" As crazy as it sounds, when I become dictator I'll ban toy guns only. "

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Again, why are  you posting replies from other websites from people who do not participate here?  Do you have no original thoughts?

Dittohead & Paleo,

   I believe in evolution .... So, Watch out!

Clearly, believing in evolution, I'm daily on the brink of a school shooting.  

Palecon & Eyas,

Clearly, there are millions who believe in evolution, and are not mass murderers.  I'm just saying that evolution (taught to the exclusion of creationism) is a dangerous worldview when assimilated into a confused and unbalanced mind.