Why conservatism keeps losing

Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby TheIndependent on 10/30/07, 2:52 am

Easy anaolgy:


You have $100,000.00 and liberals want 50% of it in taxes. You make a deal and give them 25% to look like a good guy and shut them up, for the moment.


Three months later liberals want 50% of  the money you have left for a new tax hike they have dreamed up.


As you can see if you meet in the middle again and only give them 25% you are now down to $56,250.00, how many more times can you meet in the middle until you go bankrupt?

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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby Eyas on 10/30/07, 12:47 pm

TheIndependent wrote:Easy anaolgy:


You have $100,000.00 and liberals want 50% of it in taxes. You make a deal and give them 25% to look like a good guy and shut them up, for the moment.


Three months later liberals want 50% of  the money you have left for a new tax hike they have dreamed up.


As you can see if you meet in the middle again and only give them 25% you are now down to $56,250.00, how many more times can you meet in the middle until you go bankrupt?



Well, if the question is "how long until you go morally, and ideologically bankrupt?"  Then the answer is: only once.

I get your point though.  Politicians, especially Republicans, crave compromise like mother's milk.  Compromise is something that people do when they don't have the backbone to stand for what's right.  They're afraid of a stalemate that (OH MY GOD!) might leave them with nothing to do.

It reminds me of McCain's arguments supporting his misguided amnesty program.  Basically, his argument was that he knew it wasn't perfect but it was the best that he could do while getting Democrat support.

In other words, like most politicians, his rallying cry became "A Bad Law is Better than No Law".  Try it out.  It just rolls of the tongue.  Chant it.  Believe it.  You ought to believe it, because it is the ultimate source of all action in the United States Congress.

"A Bad Law is Better than No Law".
"A Bad Law is Better than No Law".
"A Bad Law is Better than No Law".
"A Bad Law is Better than No Law".
"A Bad Law is Better than No Law".

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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby candance on 10/30/07, 12:52 pm

I agree about the "bad law" sentiment. Our government has a really bad habit of showing us a problem...then saying there is only one possible solution, it will cost more money, and the debate is now over.

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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby TheIndependent on 10/30/07, 10:58 pm

The point is it's only a matter of time that a democracy can exist, once the people and the politicians join together in vote buying  the party is over. This country now has 57 Trillion Dollars in unfunded liabilities (Medicare/Social Security) it should piss people off to hear Hitlery Clinton talking about new programs with no explanation about the 57 trillion that is outstanding.

The GOP is so lame that they are afraid to tell the truth about the 57 trillion. I'm convinced both parties will lie to us right up to the last second of our impending implosion.

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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby artfive on 10/31/07, 1:07 am

Pandering for votes is what has gotten us $9 trillion in debt, but vote buying only works when the people are willing to buy what you're selling......Americans do not know the meaning of deferred gratification.  We somehow have come to believe that we are entitled to live beyond our means.  Collectively, we dare not think about what we are doing to the next generation of Americans who must pay our bills.  There is only one way to stop this drunken spending spree.  We must change our Congress.

How do we change Congress?  As Newt says, "real change requires real change".  IMAO there is only one way, and that is to ensure that no member can ever be reelected....even the good ones.  Who really believes that anyone in Congress is irreplacable?  Who believes that in their entire state there is not a single candidate as capable as the incumbent?  Send them to DC with the knowledge that they are only there for two/six years and they will do what's right for the country and not what's right for their reelection.     

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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby ELLE-C on 11/14/07, 4:05 pm

So 'the independent' will know, the Republican party is the home of conservatism but they are not the same.

As the superiorist independents tend to do, lumping everyone into categories because they don't (and I use the word loosely) think like you.

I can not wait to read your answer to the my question in post reply 'Improving the Environment'.
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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby candance on 11/14/07, 4:09 pm

*ducks as a vase flies past*

I'll just be over here in the corner staying out of that one.
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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby TheIndependent on 11/14/07, 10:11 pm

ELLE-C wrote:So 'the independent' will know, the Republican party is the home of conservatism but they are not the same.

As the superiorist independents tend to do, lumping everyone into categories because they don't (and I use the word loosely) think like you.

I can not wait to read your answer to the my question in post reply 'Improving the Environment'.



I didn't leave the GOP they left me. Bush signed a bill that he didn't even know how much it will cost. You tell me, how conservative is socialism, no matter who signs the bills that put it in place?

Just hold your nose and pull the lever for Rooty, he will turn this country into a police state, mark my words.

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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby TheIndependent on 11/14/07, 10:15 pm

ELLE-C wrote:
As the superiorist independents tend to do, lumping everyone into categories because they don't (and I use the word loosely) think like you.



If being a Reagan republican means I am a superiorist, I will wear that badge with pride. You know what I am saying is right and are using the standard  "the lesser of two evils" bullshit.

If you have two girl friends and they are both evil are you going to marry the one that is less evil?

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Re: Why conservatism keeps losing

Postby ELLE-C on 11/15/07, 3:48 pm

What????

Ok, I have to ask, how old are you?
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