WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby Coherency » 11/22/08, 11:51 pm

Hello,

It is known to most that the Christian Church ex-communicates heretics. What do we mean by this?

In order for a system to be a system, there must be certain essential tenants that hold it together. These essential tenants must NOT be negotiated with and they must ALL stay in tact.

Those who deny any essential element of that system are by definition not of that system and are thus ex-communicated.

With the Republican Party, my question is thus the result:

-What is the Republican Party's essential core tenants that cannot be negotiated with?
-If one denies any of these core tenants, would that not logically convey that they are not Republian by definition?
-If one denies a core tenant of the Republican Party and does not resign, can we not ex-communicate them?

Now I understand that this is impossible on a national scale. However, those within a political office that deny the core tenants of the Republican Party should be dis-fellowshipped by the Republican Party.

They should get 0% rights,
Should not be invited to Conservative Events
Should be listed and mentioned on a Republican website as ENEMIES OF THE PARTY
Should not be able to use the Party to run for office.

Thus, what are the entire core tenants of the Republican Party? I am assuming that very few Republicans know. Rush may know, but I doubt he has thought about this to this extent.

Let's kick out the dead and mad cow disease and reclaim the Republican Party and it's relationship to the values outlined in Scripture alone.

Upon a "pure" Republican Party is the only chance to reclaim American as a "Christian Nation" as prescribed by the Supreme Court in 1892-95.

Respectfully,

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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby jrg907 » 11/23/08, 6:38 am

So if I disagree with any of your "tenants" you want to drum me out of the party? It is going to get awfully lonely in your tent.
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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby Coherency » 11/25/08, 9:47 pm

No!, you are not understanding.

If you disagree with any of the ESSENTIAL CORE tenants, you would be removed from the party. The NON-ESSENTIAL tenants give us room for negotiation.

We need to determine what the essential tenants are so as to identify and remove hypocrites and "phonys."
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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby Molly Mac » 11/28/08, 3:20 pm

" is known to most that the Christian Church ex-communicates heretics"

WHOA, DUDE!  The Christan church ex-communicates no one! - you must be thinking of Catholicism.  There's a big difference.

I don't think that would ever work... political party's change.  The Dem party is now mostly Socialist in character (although they'd never admit it).  The Republican party has become more like the big spending Democrat party of 3 decades ago.  All we can do, as conservatives, is make our voices heard, try to elect conservatives and keep their feet to the fire.

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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby jrg907 » 11/28/08, 4:31 pm

Do any of you ever read any blogs other than conservative ones? Or listen to anything other than conservative points? We are literally being laughed at because of dumb ideas like this. We are going to splinter away to nothing. I am conservative but I have a gay sister. Am I supposed to make believe that she is not my sister? Or love her any less than my straight sister? By the way, my gay sister is a registered Republican. She is also very conservative on most issues. Do you want her excommunicated from the party?
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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby SoldiersMum » 11/28/08, 5:58 pm

Because one person posts something does not mean it's forum edict or that we agree, JRG.  See..that's the problem.  When one person comes in, we don't know if they are conservative/liberal/socialist/communist/benign moderates.  We don't know if they are trolling pretenders.   So, when outrageous postings occur, they either leave the building or we answer them.  Coherency has two warnings so far from Dittohead for religious postings.  I guess you could say, if he gets another warning, he'll be the one who is ex-communicated.

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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby TheIndependent » 11/28/08, 7:42 pm

It is known to most that the Christian Church ex-communicates heretics. What do we mean by this?


There is no such thing as ex communication in the Christian church. I think you just exposed yourself as the troll that you are.
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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby Molly Mac » 11/29/08, 12:09 pm

"If you disagree with any of the ESSENTIAL CORE tenants, you would be removed from the party. The NON-ESSENTIAL tenants give us room for negotiation. "

But, I believe the Republican party has become neck deep in more 'liberal thinkers' who have changed or want to change thoe "core tenants" and there's nothing the rest of us can do about that.  The liberterain party is more conservative but they have some views that I think out kind of 'out there' .  Plus they don't get elected to many offices.

I think conservatives may have to face the fact that the country is 'changing' for the worse and we are few in number (sign of the TIMES).  

p.s.  I don't think he's a troll.
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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby SoldiersMum » 11/29/08, 1:02 pm

Molly Mac wrote:"If you disagree with any of the ESSENTIAL CORE tenants, you would be removed from the party. The NON-ESSENTIAL tenants give us room for negotiation. "

But, I believe the Republican party has become neck deep in more 'liberal thinkers' who have changed or want to change thoe "core tenants" and there's nothing the rest of us can do about that.  The liberterain party is more conservative but they have some views that I think out kind of 'out there' .  Plus they don't get elected to many offices.

I think conservatives may have to face the fact that the country is 'changing' for the worse and we are few in number (sign of the TIMES).  

p.s.  I don't think he's a troll.


I actually don't buy that the country is changing for the worse and we are few in number.  Sixty percent of the country describes itself as center right ----> very right and still holds traditional values that the GOP was based on.  This last election was a failure of the RINO GOP.  Many conservatives didn't even go out to vote and catholics/evangelicals voted in pretty high numbers for Obama.  That is a failure of the RINOs in the Republican Party.  It has been difficult for Conservatives in Congress to buck the Republican President and since he's a RINO, those in Congress who are the RINOs have pretty much been running the minority show.  However, the conservatives in the House have actually stood up more often than not against Nancy Pelosi's really far left agenda and they stopped alot of what she was trying to do.  

We need to regroup and we need to strategize against the RINOs and then against the socialists.  I'm waiting to see who is going to be the new head of the RNC and then I'm going to bombard him with emails.  Every failure Obama has will be ammunition.  We need to turn the Rules for Radicals back on them and we need to wake up the conservatives to the potential threats to our nation because of his election.  Pray for Saxby Chambliss on Tuesday and for Coleman in Minnesota.  Pray they do not get their 60-member Senate.

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Re: WHY CAN'T WE EX-COMMUNICATE REPUBLICANS???

Postby jrg907 » 11/30/08, 5:44 am

This is interesting and nice to see some serious thinking here instead of the usual talking points. First we have to define what our essential core tenants are. They might be different things to different people. I will give you some of mine that are written in stone:
1) Smaller government. We failed miserably here. We should immediately have a hiring freeze for all federal workers. Then President Obama should appoint a task force that is charged with eliminating wasteful and duplicate federal departments and positions. Then we should all back this and not play politics with it.
2) Stop all wasteful spending. I mean ALL. I own a business and I promise you that I do not spend anything just to make someone happy. Same with my home budget. We have failed miserably here also.
3) Major overhaul of the tax code. Not sure if the Fair Tax is the way to go but we need to look at every possibility. Our tax code is out of control. Politicians basically use it now for political purposes. It is disgusting that it has become so complicated that even IRS agents can not answer questions correctly. We failed miserably here also.
4) Immediately install term limits on every nationally elected position. Every time you see a corruption case or wasteful spending it comes from someone who has been in office for some time. After a while, politicians (from both party's) think that they are entitled. They spend most of their time fund raising to stay in office. These big donors and fundraisers are not doing this because they like that particular candidate. Nothing is free. There is always a payback.  Then put the President on a one six year term with no reelection. The President spends that last 2 years of his first term running for a second term. This will eliminate that. We failed miserably at this also.
I have some others but this is getting long. Notice that there are 2 themes running thru out here? One is we failed miserably on all of the above. If we are truly conservative, we can win back the respect of most of the voters by standing firmly by these principals. Second is i don't give a rat's ass about gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research or any of these "social" issues. There are some that because of this think I should be "ex-communicated". I say these issues are losers on the national level. My gay sister has not had an effect on my marriage. All of the pundits that harp on these issues are doing the other side a big favor. Let the states handle most of this and let's concentrate on what really matters.
Sorry this was so long but I really think this is important. I would love to see one of the biggies pick up on this and leave the name calling and fear mongering alone for a while. Might not get as good ratings but it would be very beneficial in the long run.  

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Molly Mac wrote:"If you disagree with any of the ESSENTIAL CORE tenants, you would be removed from the party. The NON-ESSENTIAL tenants give us room for negotiation. "

But, I believe the Republican party has become neck deep in more 'liberal thinkers' who have changed or want to change thoe "core tenants" and there's nothing the rest of us can do about that.  The liberterain party is more conservative but they have some views that I think out kind of 'out there' .  Plus they don't get elected to many offices.

I think conservatives may have to face the fact that the country is 'changing' for the worse and we are few in number (sign of the TIMES).  

p.s.  I don't think he's a troll.


I actually don't buy that the country is changing for the worse and we are few in number.  Sixty percent of the country describes itself as center right ----> very right and still holds traditional values that the GOP was based on.  This last election was a failure of the RINO GOP.  Many conservatives didn't even go out to vote and catholics/evangelicals voted in pretty high numbers for Obama.  That is a failure of the RINOs in the Republican Party.  It has been difficult for Conservatives in Congress to buck the Republican President and since he's a RINO, those in Congress who are the RINOs have pretty much been running the minority show.  However, the conservatives in the House have actually stood up more often than not against Nancy Pelosi's really far left agenda and they stopped alot of what she was trying to do.  

We need to regroup and we need to strategize against the RINOs and then against the socialists.  I'm waiting to see who is going to be the new head of the RNC and then I'm going to bombard him with emails.  Every failure Obama has will be ammunition.  We need to turn the Rules for Radicals back on them and we need to wake up the conservatives to the potential threats to our nation because of his election.  Pray for Saxby Chambliss on Tuesday and for Coleman in Minnesota.  Pray they do not get their 60-member Senate.
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