Calypso Jones wrote:Who's more likely to cost McCain the election?  Well it Won't be Joe Biden.

I'm thinking that Joe Biden is more likely to cause Obama to loose the election.  If he thinks Bill Clinton has a problem with inserting his foot in his mouth....Joe oughta be the champion!

SoldiersMum wrote:Again, I never said John McCain participated in voter fraud. I put forward the idea that Democrats fixed the primaries for John McCain.

don't assume conspiracy when incompetence will suffice...

...although there was that evening, while enjoying some might-fine buffalo wings and terribly stale beer, when one of the more plausible conspiracy theories on voting was introduced but as i recall quickly tabled on its contra. the theory was that florida law-makers somehow conspired to concentrate large populations of geriatric voters to their state so that their varying conditions of insobriety and senility could be used to beta-test voting technologies. this in turn would bring the voting machine industry to their state, a prized slice of capitalism that would spur-on even more growth. but no one predicted how many of these people would actually move there, and for that matter the devastating effect this would eventually have on voting itself.

the contra theory was "nah, people moved there because the chicks have big boobs" to which we all agreed and returned to our wings and beer.

Calypso Jones wrote:

Free2Choose wrote:

Calypso Jones wrote:well i don't know.  The fact that McCain is hitting with some pretty effective ads is making a lot of conservatives happy and as a side effect opening up the eyes of a lot of folk that call themselves independent.    I don't like either but McCain has more experience, not to mention character.

Some conservatives won't vote for McCain based on images created by an advertising agency, but actually want conservative policies, both in his voting record (too late!) and campain promises (still waiting).

i'm sorry.  What?   some conservatives won't vote for mccain based on images created by an advertising agency.  So were these images bad or what?   I'm sorry. This doesn't make sense to me.

Sorry, my sentence wasn't very clear.

What I was saying was that some conservatives (such as myself) vote on POLICIES not on snazzy advertisements (i.e., images created by an advertising agency).  I won't vote based on silly ads.  I vote based on a conservative voting records (and it's too late for McCain to acquire that) and conservative policies that the nominee promises to implement (I'm still waiting for McCain to do that).

Make a bit more sense?

yes thanks.  I see what you mean.  And i agree. He is no conservative.  But unfortunately if we don't vote then obama wins by default.   Neither of these men are presidential material.  But we're faced with a choice, not of our own making but made by the media in both instances.   It's been said that both are socialist...mccain is just socialist lite.    For myself,  I can't let this go to the media and their hand picked baby boy.

you’ll be waiting a long time free2choose...

...this year you are free to chose from two boxes. in box 1 is the lying lib who we all know is lying, and in box 2 is the lying lib who only the adults in the audience know is lying. so come on down!

I'm kind of wondering whether Republicans need to lose in order to get their conservative bearings back.  It seems they've gotten way too comfortable (and 2006 apparently wasn't enough of a wakeup for them).  Also, I can't blame the media for McCain's win.  The media didn't vote in this election.  REPUBLICANS did.  I lay the blame at the feet of Republican voters who are too simple to find things out for themselves.

"conservatives" lose this year no matter what.

seabee wrote:"conservatives" lose this year no matter what.

America looses this year no matter what.  sigh.

mdainc wrote:My guess is that the conservatives are going to sink McCain.  Not by voting for Obama but by simply not voting.  They did the same thing to Bush1.

I also think this will be the last election that the hard right has any role in a presidential election.  The GOP are going to decide they have had their way with the hard right and now it's time to pander to other groups that can actually get the party power.

The GOP will do to the hard right what the Democrats have done to blacks for the past 30yrs.

No brainer.

I like returning to this thread to see how spectacularly wrong some of these predictions are.

It's safe to say that the conservative base will be voting for McCain after what we've seen at the convetion.

It's also a known fact, to anyone other than lunatics on either side of the political spectrum, that you win primaries by moving right (or left), and you win elections by moving to the center. Notice Barack Obama trying to temper some of his earlier "positions" with qualifications and revisions.

I have said it before and I will say it again...is this the best we can do? I am so depressed