bedbug wrote:A slightly different spin.  A government of the government, by the government, for the government.

It is an unfortunate irony that this became fact during the American Civil War (which wasn't a civil war).  Lincoln used the phrase "of the people, by the people and for the people" on 19 November 1863 and it has been less true every day since he said it.  

Lincoln began the expansion of federal power an a significant enormous rate during his war and that expansion has continued and accelerated in the past 80 years.  Now, there are two "socialist" parties in America and we are supposed to choose between the fast road or the faster road to socialism depending on whether we support the GOP or Dems respectively.

How about this:

"Government first, Government last, Government always"
Rush said that.

But how about this one:

"Everything Inside the Government, Nothing outside the Government, Nothing against the Government."

I only substituted the original word of "State" for Government and you have a quote from Marx pertaining to socialism. No harm there since the reference to the "state" as said by the prominent marxists of our time is being substituted for Government so it is the state of Government or it's will and influence over the people.

All Americans should read Richard Lamm's speeech. Since he is a democrat, I don't know his motive for the speech, but it is right on the button. It IS the way to destroy America and it is being done before our eyes. I have to agree with him. The unarmed invasion from the South has been quite succesful. The invaders are now successfully using our infrastructure, educational institutions,  welfare system , and political systems. Like a virus takes over the hosts body and transmutes its genetic system, so will immigration totally change America as it existed only 50 or so years ago. Why do we let this happen? The liberals let it happen because they are unable to understand cause and effect. The conservatives let it happen because they are lazy and apathetic.

The liberal agenda is to make America into the United Socialist States of Amerika.

The liberal agenda is to kill the economy by not doing anything to stop the gas crisis.

The liberal agenda is to turn everyone against each other thru dividing everyone by placing everyone into a category and then throwing out PC to incense the population..African-American, Gay, etc.

The liberal agenda is to indoctrinate every single child in America into communism.

The liberal agenda is to destroy the importance of the family.

The liberal agenda is to destroy the importance of the father and/or a strong male role model, particularly if they are white.

The liberal agenda is to destroy Christianity in the U.S.

The liberal agenda is to destroy the Constitution and all of its amendments.

The liberal agenda is to run this country thru the judiciary.

The liberal agenda is to make everyone hungry and poor so that socialism will look like the answer to those in need.

The liberal agenda is to shut up conservative voice so that no one hears what their agenda really is.

The liberal agenda is to destroy America so that they can reconstruct it in their own image and ideology.

The liberal agenda is to get 100% power and stay in power.

The ultimate liberal agenda is to turn the United Socialist States of Amerika into part of the Global Socialist (really communist) Open Society, George Soros' communist dream.

SoldiersMum,

You are so right.


Take a good look at what Senator Obama is advocating in his policies of change.
His website http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

This goes beyond liberalism.
Socialism is alive and well in the Obama doctrine.  He is using the age-old tactic of promises to get votes.  This is how must of his policy statements start.

Obama will significantly, Obama will establish, Obama will invest, Obama will create, Obama will double, Obama will reverse, Obama will sign into law, Obama will ban racial profiling, Obama will provide, Obama will give

The only way he could keep these promises is by becoming a dictator and takeover the country. Dictators are notorious for not keeping any promises.

bedbug wrote:A slightly different spin. A government of the government, by the government, for the government.

never more poignant words.

Soldiers Mum....are you serious with all that? I mean come on...lets not get too dramatic. You know, just as much as I know that each side is more about social preservation or personal preservation. The fact is...we're all in it together. I find it hard not to comment on your communist statement, because communism and socialism are not alike. You are a soldiers mother. I grew up in the military and my family has been military, CIA, National Guard and so on....Let's not start calling people communists just because they're liberal....that's not cool. ok?

3danimator,

Please define and explain what socialism is.

Then, please define and explain what communism is.

Finally, please explain what you feel are the main differences between the two.

Thanks.

Also, if calling  someone a communist is a slur, but calling someone a socialist is not; then you apparently think that socialism is ok, while communism is not.

Please explain what you find appealing about socialism.

3danimator wrote:Soldiers Mum....are you serious with all that? I mean come on...lets not get too dramatic. You know, just as much as I know that each side is more about social preservation or personal preservation. The fact is...we're all in it together. I find it hard not to comment on your communist statement, because communism and socialism are not alike. You are a soldiers mother. I grew up in the military and my family has been military, CIA, National Guard and so on....Let's not start calling people communists just because they're liberal....that's not cool. ok?

I absolutely meant every word of it and I did not call every liberal a communist.  I was discussing the topic of this thread..What is the Liberal Agenda.  The fact is 9% of the population considers themselves extremely liberal and the people running our Government and those running the Democrat Party are part of that 9%.  They are socialists and communists.

You think we are all in this together?  Not so much.  These people are 60s radicals who want to control your life from cradle to grave.  There used to be a time when we are all Americans.  However, they have infiltrated academia, media and law and have taken over our Congress by having people run to the right of their opponents in 2006 but now are voting alongside Nancy Pelosi.  Also, the Republicans deserved to lose due to their increasing of the size of Government and their spending.  Now, what these people have done is to divide us all by our skin color, religion, sex, sexual preference, and others.  That is the first goal of Socialism.  People cease being an American and become an African American, Hispanic American, etc.  They become members of a group with rights for that group.  

I know the difference very well between socialism and communism and you're right about them being different.  Socialism is the bridge between Capitalism and Communism.  I strongly suggest you look up George Soros and read about his Open Society.  It is a Global Communist Society.  Guess who he has been grooming and financially supporting for quite some time?  That would be Barack Obama.  You should also read Sal Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.  Barack Obama taught this book to ACORN street organizers.  Sal Alinsky was a Marxist.  

You need to learn more about these two people because they are responsible for who Barack Obama is and what his ideology is, as well as Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, et al.  

Being liberal apparently means to you compassion and taking care of your fellow man.  Those are good traits but they should be carried out by the individual, not by Government force.