No, they're not communists. Really.

No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby Eyas on 07/09/08, 12:03 am

From Gateway Pundit:


DEM SHOCKER!!... Speaker Pelosi Was Sending Messages to FARC Terrorists While Undermining Colombian Government!

SWAMP POLITICS---

New information reveals that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was indirectly sending messages to the FARC. The Marxist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) is designated as a terrorist group by the US government. Speaker Pelosi was doing this while at the same time she refused to bring a free trade agreement with Colombia up for a vote in the US House. In fact, Pelosi took extraordinary steps to block this trade agreement with America's closest ally in South America.

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Colombian Sen. Piedad Cordoba (left) is currently under investigation by the Colombian attorney general for ties to the FARC. Cordoba claims that Speaker Nancy Pelosi was sending messages to the FARC terrorists. Cordoba also claimed during FARC negotiations that Pelosi had assigned Rep. Jim McGovern, as the point man. Captured FARC documents confirmed in March that Mr. McGovern had been working with an American go-between, who had been offering the rebels help in undermining Colombia's elected and popular government.

The Wall Street Journal reported on the confiscated FARC documents that implicated Rep. McGovern back in March:
The Reyes hard drive reveals an ardent effort to do business directly with the FARC by Congressman James McGovern (D., Mass.), a leading opponent of the free-trade deal. Mr. McGovern has been working with an American go-between, who has been offering the rebels help in undermining Colombia's elected and popular government.
Mr. McGovern's press office says the Congressman is merely working at the behest of families whose relatives are held as FARC kidnap hostages. However, his go-between's letters reveal more than routine intervention.
Now, today we find out who was directing Rep. McGovern--

Speaker Pelosi!

Mary Anastasia O'Grady at The Wall Street Journal reported:
Last fall, Mr. Chávez and the FARC hatched an audacious plan whereby the Venezuelan would take "proof of life" of Ms. Betancourt to French President Nicolas Sarkozy in Paris, where the plight of Ms. Betancourt was a cause célèbre. The rebels wrote that Mr. Chávez was sure French pressure for negotiations would cause President Bush to "order Uribe to allow the meeting" between Mr. Chávez and the rebels on Colombian soil, something Mr. Uribe had refused to do. The rebels reported that Mr. Chávez was "super-motivated," because he viewed the rendezvous as a public-relations coup that would give him and the FARC "continental and world renown."

That plan flopped, but Mr. Chavez had other cards up his sleeve. One involved Colombian Sen. Piedad Cordoba, who is currently under investigation by the Colombian attorney general for ties to the FARC. She figures prominently in the captured rebel documents, and is notoriously close to Mr. Chávez.

She met at the Venezuelan presidential palace with FARC leaders last fall. From that meeting the rebels reported that "Piedad says that Chávez has Uribe going crazy. He doesn't know what to do. That Nancy Pelosi helps and is ready to help in the swap [hostages in exchange for captured guerrillas]. That she has designated [U.S. Congressman Jim] McGovern for this."

If the speaker of the House was working with Ms. Cordoba in this scheme, her judgment was more than a little misguided. The rebels write that on a trip to Argentina Ms. Cordoba told them, "It doesn't matter to me the proposal that Sarkozy has made to free Ingrid. Above all, do not liberate Ingrid." In short, why give up such a useful pawn?


Don Surber believes it is time someone reined the Queen Bee in.
Karl at Protein Wisdom notes that this is far from the first time that democrats have cozied up to the communists.

Previous Headlines:
Captured FARC Documents Link Democrats to Terror Group
Busted!... Democratic Point Man on Colombia Caught Dealing With FARC
Interpol Confirms Authenticity Of Raul Reyes's Computer Files
Interpol Confirms: US Democrat Was Secretly Working With FARC
MEDIA IGNORES Rep. McGovern Was Secretly Communicating With FARC
FARC Connections to German Leftists & US Democrats Exposed
Will the Colombian Hostage Rescue Expose the Democrat's Links to FARC?


UPDATE: Just to be clear in case there are any questions...
The FARC is a "terrorist organization" and not a "revolutionary" force.

WFTV reported: Marc Gonsalves, one of three US hostages rescued from Colombia's FARC rebels last week, said Monday the guerillas were not revolutionaries but "terrorists" using a crusade for the poor as a front for crime.

Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed.  -Abraham Lincoln


Every generation needs a new revolution. -Thomas Jefferson

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Re: No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby SoldiersMum on 07/09/08, 12:23 am

Nancy Pelosi should be arrested and tried for treason.  Besides what you have posted here, she also went to Syria and had her contingent, Rep Slaughter & others, meet with the Turkish Rebels to attempt to cut off our troops' supply lines into Iraq so that the surge would fail.  When she came back, she introduced the Armenian Genocide bill to inflame Turkey to get them in on it so they would not allow supplies to be transported to our troops in Iraq.  The bill failed and Condi Rice smoothed the feathers of the Turks.

Nancy Pelosi is a traitor.  She's actually a socialist and was on the Board of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).  You can find information about this and about the DSA hosting the Congressional Progressive Caucus' website until around 1999 when it was revealed and they changed it to a .gov site by searching on WorldNetDaily.

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Re: No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby watcher on 07/09/08, 12:29 am

Wow! I need to do some serious reading on this, but the implications are huge. This elevates my growing feelings of  concern about the 'C'DNC to a whole new level.
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Re: No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby bedbug on 07/09/08, 12:38 am

(shoo the kids away from the monitor) Holy Shit!! Sorry folks, this deserves an expletive or three. Hasn't the DNC been telling us for about 5 years that meddling in the affairs of a sovereign state is not to be tolerated. Words cannot describe the state of my rage at this moment.
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Re: No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby Layla 27 on 07/09/08, 12:56 am

SoldiersMum wrote:Nancy Pelosi should be arrested and tried for treason.  Besides what you have posted here, she also went to Syria and had her contingent, Rep Slaughter & others, meet with the Turkish Rebels to attempt to cut off our troops' supply lines into Iraq so that the surge would fail.  When she came back, she introduced the Armenian Genocide bill to inflame Turkey to get them in on it so they would not allow supplies to be transported to our troops in Iraq.  The bill failed and Condi Rice smoothed the feathers of the Turks.

Nancy Pelosi is a traitor.  She's actually a socialist and was on the Board of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).  You can find information about this and about the DSA hosting the Congressional Progressive Caucus' website until around 1999 when it was revealed and they changed it to a .gov site by searching on WorldNetDaily.


Alright that does it. You are completely out of line.

I am very tried and disgusted with some of the "conservatives" on this board, some of the  "ENLIGHTENED INTELLECTUALS" who call themselves " Reagan conservatives", who announce crazy support for violent revolutions and the right to Murder and Imprison political opponents.

Ronald Reagan did not strut around the country using Bill Buckley's books like bibles, and killing or imprisoning liberals. He proved them wrong with conservatism. He showed people the potential of conservatism through results. He didnt kill and jail all of his opponents and then force people to accept it, like a COMMIE would. Like YOU would.

Ronald Reagan practiced and sold conservatism and people responded. He didnt wake one morning and read a "rather interesting" essay on the "rights" of "free men" by John Locke (recommended to him in his Microeconomics Class) and decide that gas prices rising 5 cents, or an obscure passage in "symbolic legislation" gave him the right to Revolt against and Imprison or Murder government officials.

Give me one SRAP of EVIDENCE that Ronald Reagan or Bill Buckley ever supported a murder or jailing of a Political Opponent. Give me one SRAP of EVIDENCE that Ronald Reagan or Bill Buckley ever supported ANY revolution against our government. They never did. Unlike some of the ELITIST FREAKS (who I wont name) on this board, Ronald Reagan loved this country unconditionally, and NOT only when it was PEFECTLY in line with his POLITICAL AGENDA.

Unlike some of the people here, Ronald Reagan was a conservative.
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Re: No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby SoldiersMum on 07/09/08, 2:02 am

Layla 27 wrote:
SoldiersMum wrote:Nancy Pelosi should be arrested and tried for treason.  Besides what you have posted here, she also went to Syria and had her contingent, Rep Slaughter & others, meet with the Turkish Rebels to attempt to cut off our troops' supply lines into Iraq so that the surge would fail.  When she came back, she introduced the Armenian Genocide bill to inflame Turkey to get them in on it so they would not allow supplies to be transported to our troops in Iraq.  The bill failed and Condi Rice smoothed the feathers of the Turks.

Nancy Pelosi is a traitor.  She's actually a socialist and was on the Board of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).  You can find information about this and about the DSA hosting the Congressional Progressive Caucus' website until around 1999 when it was revealed and they changed it to a .gov site by searching on WorldNetDaily.


Alright that does it. You are completely out of line.

I am very tried and disgusted with some of the "conservatives" on this board, some of the  "ENLIGHTENED INTELLECTUALS" who call themselves " Reagan conservatives", who announce crazy support for violent revolutions and the right to Murder and Imprison political opponents.

Ronald Reagan did not strut around the country using Bill Buckley's books like bibles, and killing or imprisoning liberals. He proved them wrong with conservatism. He showed people the potential of conservatism through results. He didnt kill and jail all of his opponents and then force people to accept it, like a COMMIE would. Like YOU would.

Ronald Reagan practiced and sold conservatism and people responded. He didnt wake one morning and read a "rather interesting" essay on the "rights" of "free men" by John Locke (recommended to him in his Microeconomics Class) and decide that gas prices rising 5 cents, or an obscure passage in "symbolic legislation" gave him the right to Revolt against and Imprison or Murder government officials.

Give me one SRAP of EVIDENCE that Ronald Reagan or Bill Buckley ever supported a murder or jailing of a Political Opponent. Give me one SRAP of EVIDENCE that Ronald Reagan or Bill Buckley ever supported ANY revolution against our government. They never did. Unlike some of the ELITIST FREAKS (who I wont name) on this board, Ronald Reagan loved this country unconditionally, and NOT only when it was PEFECTLY in line with his POLITICAL AGENDA.

Unlike some of the people here, Ronald Reagan was a conservative.


This thread is about Nancy Pelosi.  We are not talking of Ronald Reagan or conservatism.  We are discussing the Speaker of the House and she has committed treason.  She attempted to kill the surge by having her contingency meet with the Turkish rebels while they were all in Syria to stop our supplies to our troops, she tried to get Turkey so angry at us with the Armenian Genocide Act that they would not allow supplies to go to our troops in Iraq to kill the surge, and she personally met with Bashar Assad in Syria.  Syria is a terror-sponsor nation and while she was there, she bad mouthed Israel.  She has attempted to hurt the Columbian Government which is one of our allies by the way and she has stopped the free trade agreement from going to a floor vote claiming the FARC is a freedom fighter group when it is actually a Marxist group of terrorists.  Those prisoners they held who were just released said so themselves after their release.  Nancy Pelosi is also running the House of Representatives like it were her own personal country and she is the dictator.  

I do not understand your politics at all.  I have said the truth.  Nancy Pelosi is a traitor to our troops, our country and our Government and she should be treated like one.  

You are advised that calling me names and using caps the way you do is in violation of the rules of this forum.  Go read the rules for yourself.  Civil discussion is what this forum rules call for and there are ways to disagree without resorting to your inflamatory remarks.

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Re: No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby Layla 27 on 07/09/08, 2:21 am

I dont care if you are a moderator. I did not personally attack you, and you said some COMPLETELY DANGEROUS and INSANE things in your message.

so We are discussing wether or not Nancy Pelosi should be jailed because you dont like her? That was the point you are making hereYou call yourself a conservative, but you advocate things that are completely, frankly, nuts. Cutting up the post, taking bits and peices out of context, and calling it off topic doesnt end the debate.

Nancy Pelosi is a traitor, because you disagree with her politically. You stated that as fact in your response to me. Being a mod does not make you the master of wether or not something is a fact.

You, Eyas and Paleocon have a long standing tradition of desprately playing the victim and using references to rules you constantly ignore when it is convienient to you, whenever you are debated from the right or left. This is not a conservative forum, this is a Eyas, SoldiersMum, and Paleocon love fest.
I am through listening to you people slam our country, our troops, and make a  mockery of the thing that Ronald Reagan worked so hard to build, with your insane and disturbing rants.
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Re: No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby Layla 27 on 07/09/08, 2:28 am

Yes this thread is about Nancy Pelosi. It is about you saying she needs to be put on trial for a capital crime because you disagree with her and NOT for any logical reason.

I used caps very few times in that message. If i cant use caps at all, I could easily go through your message history and find plenty of infractions.

I will make no further posts in this topic.
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Postby ultracon on 07/09/08, 7:17 am

Layla 27 wrote:Yes this thread is about Nancy Pelosi. It is about you saying she needs to be put on trial for a capital crime because you disagree with her and NOT for any logical reason.


Layla - if she honestly sent messages to a Marxist regime on our government's terror list, to help overthrow the government of one of our allies - what punishment do you deem appropriate?  Is it your view that she can do anything she wants with no repercussions?  I'm trying to understand your point, but I'm not getting it.  We do have a law called treason (just like theft, murder, etc..) - we have the law because it harms this country when people commit it.  How would you treat someone guilty of treason?  Is this not a logical law to you?
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Re: No, they're not communists. Really.

Postby Eyas on 07/09/08, 10:27 am

Layla 27 wrote:Yes this thread is about Nancy Pelosi. It is about you saying she needs to be put on trial for a capital crime because you disagree with her and NOT for any logical reason.

I used caps very few times in that message. If i cant use caps at all, I could easily go through your message history and find plenty of infractions.

I will make no further posts in this topic.


Um, .... I think I'm going to have to side with Mum on this one.

I suspect that it was me who Layla was referring to as announcing "crazy support for violent revolution".  I think that her anger should be directed at me, not at Mum.

Mum did not suggest a lynching, she suggested a trial and conviction for Treason -- for providing "aid and comfort" to America's enemies.  Mum didn't suggest this because Pelosi though, or said, "Hey, we should support the Communist Terrorists in Colombia." -- She went ahead and DID it.  While it's unlikely that this act alone would warrant conviction for Treason, Pelosi has embarked on a pattern of behavior of repeatedly providing "aid and comfort" to America's enemies, and she did (essentially single-handedly) reignite a war between Kurds and Turks in Northern Iraq which could put American Troops in Jeopardy.  Just this morning, there was a terrorist attack on our embassy in Turkey.

It is not because Pelosi thinks differently than Mum (or most posters here), it is that she has repeatedly ACTED in ways which provide aid and comfort to America's enemies.  Regardless of whether she would be convicted for Treason, she could be arrested and tried more successfully for Espionage or for openly and intentionally violating the Logan Act, which prohibits "any American without authority of the United States," from communicating with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government's behavior on any "disputes or controversies with the United States."

Furthermore, calling someone a traitor does not always imply that that person would be found guilty of the crime of Treason in a trial.  It is a clear way of suggesting that that person is ACTING in a way that is opposed to the best interests of America, opposed to the stated policy of the United States, or opposed to the principles on which this nation was founded.  In this instance, Nancy Pelosi is "guilty" of all three.

I'm not sure where the hissy-fit came from; but if it was meant to be directed at me, then it should have been directed at me.

Mum's suggestion that Pelosi be tried for some crime against the United States is not far-fetched or ridiculous, and her opinion is shared by a huge number of Americans outside this forum.
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