"Palestine" is the name that the Romans gave to the land of Israel when they conquered this land 2000 years ago.

* There was never in the history of the world a "Palestinian" nation.
* There was never in the history of the world a "Palestinian" state.
* There was never in the history of the world a "Palestinian" kingdom.
* There were never in the history of the world "Palestinian" kings.
* There was never in the history of the world a "Palestinian" capital.
* There was never in the history of the world a "Palestinian" essence.
* There was never in the history of the world a "Palestinian" heritage.
* There was never in the history of the world a "Palestinian" culture.

The"Palestinians" are Arabs who were brought to the region by theOttoman empire as part of the Muslim occupation in the region. They aredefinitely not the tribes from Crete who settled down in the 5 citiesof Gaza strip after the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. These tribes werecalled Philistines and they weren't Arabs at all and thenowadays"Palestinians" are definitely not their descendants. ThePhilistines don't exist as a nation nowadays.

There's no "Palestinian"nation but an ARAB one which went out ofthe Arabian Peninsula and occupied dozens of lands, including the landof Israel.

The Arabs who were living in the land of Israel started to callthemselves"Palestinians" only after the establishment of Israel in 1948and prior to it they called themselves just 'Arabs' and this is howthey called their organizations ('Arab Higher Committee') and theirstruggles ('The Great Arab Revolt') and nick named the land of Israelin different names such as 'Southern Syria'.


There was an Israeli state in the land of Israel 2000 years beforethe evil prophet of Islam alledgely flying on a "magical horse" fromMecca to Jerusalem.

* There was an Israeli nation in the land of Israel.
* There was an Israeli kingdom in the land of Israel.
* There were Israeli kings in the Israeli kingdom of Israel.
* There was an Israeli capital in the kingdom of Israel.
* There was and there is an Israeli essence.
* There was and there is an Israeli heritage.
* There was and there is an Israeli culture.

Israel isn't just a name of a state. It's first and for all a nameof a nation(Am Yisrael). Israel is the name of the father of the nation(Jacob)and Israelis are his descendants. The real meaning of the word'Israeli' is someone who belongs to the nation of Israel and not only"acitizen of a state called Israel".

The word 'Jews' was invented by gentiles. When the Persians, theGreeks and the Romans occupied the land of Israel they called all theIsraelis in the name 'Jews' because at those days the tribe of Judahwas the biggest and the dominant tribe which survived the exile ofAssyria in which 10 tribes of Israel were exiled. The tribe of Judahlived in the Judean desert thus the gentiles who occupied the land ofIsrael called the members of this tribe (and also the ones of Benjaminand Levi who joined it) in the name 'Jews'.

When Israelis (Jews) who live abroad go to synagogue they don'tread about Jews in the prayer books nor in the Torah but about 'TheNation of Israel', 'The Children of Israel', 'The House of Israel','Shema Yisrael' etc. They are Israelis because they belong to thenation of Israel even if they aren't citizens of a state called Israel.Both the words 'Jews' and 'Israelis' refer to nationality, to ethnicidentity and not to religion. Jews are members of the tribe of Judahand not "people who believe in Judaism". And the nation isn't calledJudah but Israel, and so does the land and in the future the 10 tribeswill return to this nation.

That's why Arab citizens of Israel don't define themselves asIsraelis but as Arab/"Palestinian" citizens of a state CALLED Israel.They aren't members of the Israeli nation but of the Ishmaelite nation.Ishmael used to shoot arrows at Isaac (father of Israel) while saying:"I'monly playing..." That's why there's no "Israeli-Palestinianconflict"but a WAR that the Ishmaelites/Arabs opened on the Israelis.Also Muhammad murdered Israelis in Saudi Arabia who refused to accepthis murderous pagan dream.


Couple of facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don't like:

1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.E., two millennia before Islam.

2.Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves "Palestinians"in1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.

3.After conquering the land in 1272 B.C.E., Jews ruled it for athousandyears and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300years.

4. The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C.E. lasted just 22 years.

5.For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It wasnever the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanianrule,(East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader cametovisit it.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an.

7. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.

8.Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they arebetween the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs toJerusalem.

9.In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising tocleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without eversetting eyes on an Israeli soldier.

10. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

11. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries.

12.In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arabrefugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their hostcountries. Of100 million refugees following World War 2, they are theonly group tohave never integrated with their co-religionists. Most ofthe Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.

13. There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state.

14. Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.
Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms.

15.During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites werevandalized andwere off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslimand Christianholy sites are accessible to all faiths.

16. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions,429 were against Israel.

17. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagoguesin the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordansystematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount ofOlives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid lawspreventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.

18. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.

Oh..but there will be.  Hillary is making it her mission to have a Palestine nation.  Israel be damned.

QUOTES (from http://monabaker.com/quotes.htm)

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.


"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.


"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99


"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.


"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.



"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.


"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

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It was called the province of Syria Palaestina from 135 until WWI.

The bible refers to a people living in the exact same spot and called them the Philistines. Where do you think they came from. The fact is people living in that area got squeezed out of their own land under a UN mandate sponsered by Britian and United States. This mess could have been prevented if some thought had been put into it.

sandwichx wrote:It was called the province of Syria Palaestina from 135 until WWI.

This was done by the Romans as an insult to the land's rightful owners - the Jews.

-Possum

I have to ask this question:  Why do a predominance of the US Jewish population support Obama who does not support Israel?

Neither side of this issue is going to give ground. Israel seeks to exist and will fight to the death to do so. Islam seeks to destroy Israel and will kill off the whole of the human race to achieve that end. The Palestinian state is of little interest to the Arabs. The Arabs know that they took the land from the west after the last Crusade and therefore it is their land in their minds. This will never change in the minds of the people of Islam.

Today, Islamic clerics teach the young that it is their (the youth of Islam) manifest destiny to convert the EARTH to Islam and render unto Allah one world, one faith, one people. The clerics of Islam also teach that the Quran authorizes all forms of force and that no infidel is innocent, therefore it is legal and just to KILL as many humans as physically, humanly possible.

Now of course this is the radicalized portion of Islam and the greater majority of Islam, like the silent majority of any society, sits quietly by as these enthusiastic followers pursue their dream of an Islamic Earth. The entertaining thing is that the liberal movement around the world is supporting this cause by nuetralizing western defenders.

When it is all said and done Palestine will still not exist because Islam is Islam and no state matters.

SoldiersMum wrote:I have to ask this question:  Why do a predominance of the US Jewish population support Obama who does not support Israel?

Why are Jews, the majority, liberal? Some links to explain:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/ ... 03libj.htm

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0406/prager042506.php3

I think Israel would love to live in peace, but hasn't been allowed to by it's neighbors. They've certainly born a heavy burden in attacks by both neighbor nations and terrorists -- probably more so than any other nation in the world.
As peaceful as I think they would like to be, WWII put an end to any "turn the other cheek" sentiments. They will no longer allow themselves to be attacked and killed without a fight.

I have a book, which I believe is written by Israelis, on all the wars of Israel from its foundation to the Yom Kippur War of 1973. It starts with a pretty good quote in the Premise: "The confict between Israel and the Palestinians" is not a war between right and wrong, but between right and right."

Personally I feel there has been a basic asymmetry applied since pretty much the beginning. Israel had to resettle at least as many Jews from foreign countries and Arab and Muslim countries as the Palestinians who were dispossessed during the '48 War of Independence. There has been little effort to resettle those Palestinians (for want of a better word) in Gaza and the West Bank. With the exception of Jordan, which is de facto a Palestinian state right now.

The asymmetry is that the Arab nations surrounding Israel have left the Palestinians there to fester, at their own expense, not able to live in Israel, especially as their numbers have grown to several times their original count, and with no prospects of living in Egypt or Iraq or Syria, neighboring countries where their lives would be culturally the same as Arabs in Israel (although politically much less free). Meanwhile, folks calling themselves anti-zionists are insisting that Israel is responsible for them, in addition to all the resettled Jews from across North Africa, Europe, and the Arab Middle East. The Muslim countries do not seem likely to accept non-Jewish settlers.

Meanwhile, there's been several wars, where if Israel had lost, there wouldn't be any place for their Jewish population.

So, unpopular as Israel may be among some Americans and a whole lot of Europeans, she has really nothing to lose by refusing to make unilateal concessions (and yet she has, witness pullout from Gaza).

I end up not believing in the Two-State solution either, because I don't perceive that Palestinians really want peace.