Calypso Jones wrote:Well jonesy.   WE KNOW that obama will.  But you don't know absolutely how McCain is going to go.   But these are your choices.    What'z  the best you can choose at this point.   At least with a McCain we have a chance at a comeback with more and better conservatives.   Get an obama in there with a democrat congress and you'll kiss RLForum and RL goodbye for good.    You;ll see the end of the Republican party for years to come  if it ever gains enough strength to make a comeback.

The Fairness Doctrine will ever be allowed to pass again in America. They could not regulate the internet it would be a obvious hit on talk radio. People are not that naive and stupid, and they would not allow it.

I am not voting for a liberal, who might throw us a bone just to "shut those right wingers up", in order to avoid a liberal who wont. I wont be persuaded to vote for a lib, based on the bizarre arguement you would have to make to convince me to vote for McCain. And I will not vote for a liberal just because he put a lazy moron who allows her daughter to have sex at age 17.

Obama will probably win the election. But when people see Comrade Barack and General Secretary Pelosi push the socialist policies of complete government control over  their lives, people will reject it. The GOP will have learned it's lesson and put a Bill Buckley Conservative in the ticket, and not a RINO panderer.

DONT VOTE FOR A RINO!! STAY HOME FOR THE GIPPER!!!!

Mr Jones wrote:

Calypso Jones wrote:Well jonesy.   WE KNOW that obama will.  But you don't know absolutely how McCain is going to go.   But these are your choices.    What'z  the best you can choose at this point.   At least with a McCain we have a chance at a comeback with more and better conservatives.   Get an obama in there with a democrat congress and you'll kiss RLForum and RL goodbye for good.    You;ll see the end of the Republican party for years to come  if it ever gains enough strength to make a comeback.

The Fairness Doctrine will ever be allowed to pass again in America. They could not regulate the internet it would be a obvious hit on talk radio. People are not that naive and stupid, and they would not allow it.

I am not voting for a liberal, who might throw us a bone just to "shut those right wingers up", in order to avoid a liberal who wont. I wont be persuaded to vote for a lib, based on the bizarre arguement you would have to make to convince me to vote for McCain. And I will not vote for a liberal just because he put a lazy moron who allows her daughter to have sex at age 17.

Obama will probably win the election. But when people see Comrade Barack and General Secretary Pelosi push the socialist policies of complete government control over  their lives, people will reject it. The GOP will have learned it's lesson and put a Bill Buckley Conservative in the ticket, and not a RINO panderer.

DONT VOTE FOR A RINO!! STAY HOME FOR THE GIPPER!!!!

Don't waste your vote , vote Ron Paul and join the losers! loser ....

I watched "South Park" the other night and the subject was voting. They had to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Kyle refused to vote, even though his friends were overwhelming for giant douche. For not voting, he was banished from South Park, spit on, and put on a horse backward with a bucket over his head and they slapped it on the rump and turned their backs on him.

He encountered some PETA people in the wilderness who couldn't believe how the horse had been mistreated.

So Kyle goes back to South Park to finally cast his vote for turd sandwich. After he voted they told him that giant douche had already won by a landslide. He was very upset and stated that his vote didn't count, but was assured by all that even though his candidate lost by a landslide, his vote was important.

Then his friends all hated him for not voting for giant douche.

The moral of the story is that your vote counts, Mr. Jones!

I hate to say it but at least the Obamanable Snowman states his position and you know where he stands. McCain seems to pander to anybody and everybody who seems convenient. The Palin choice underscores that.

Obama stands for Hope and Change...whatever the h that means.

but we're learning more and more aren't we.   He's anti gun.  And he'd take our guns IF HE COULD with the Help of Congress but he DOUBTS that could happen....I'm not willing to take that chance.

He wants us to pay more taxes for the UN Global Poverty Act.  That means sending the US into Poverty for the benefit of the rest of the world.

He wants to destroy our military...a military that is smart and brave and powerful and put them under the control of the UN.   I don't know...that doesn't sound good to me.  

He likes reparations...he just doesn't like the word.  So he's gonna call it something else.   I'm sure it will have something to do with a tax however.

He has the support and admiration of the most do nothing congress (thank God for THAT) in history that just happens to have..what?   an 8% approval rating at this point.   So much for ethics and civility.     You're known by your friends...don't even make me go there.

Calypso Jones wrote:Obama stands for Hope and Change...whatever the h that means.

but we're learning more and more aren't we.   He's anti gun.  And he'd take our guns IF HE COULD with the Help of Congress but he DOUBTS that could happen....I'm not willing to take that chance.

He wants us to pay more taxes for the UN Global Poverty Act.  That means sending the US into Poverty for the benefit of the rest of the world.

He wants to destroy our military...a military that is smart and brave and powerful and put them under the control of the UN.   I don't know...that doesn't sound good to me.  

He likes reparations...he just doesn't like the word.  So he's gonna call it something else.   I'm sure it will have something to do with a tax however.

He has the support and admiration of the most do nothing congress (thank God for THAT) in history that just happens to have..what?   an 8% approval rating at this point.   So much for ethics and civility.     You're known by your friends...don't even make me go there.

John McCain is no more realiable on gun control. He has gone back and forth on gun control, and has consistently voted for aspects of Gun Control. He has a mediocre average with the NRA. I am not voting for somone who is unreilable on Gun Control to avoid somone who is bad on gun Control.

John McCain is not a Small Government conservative. He does not have the Buckley position on anything outside of National Security. Saying "unfettered capitalism" at press conferences does not make you a small government conservative. Nominating a Tax-and-spender to be V.P does not make you a small government conservative. Opposing earmarks worth $ 10,000 that are a very small portion of the federal Budget does not make you a Small Government Conservative. Being a Tax-and-spend socialist for an entire 24-year run in the senate and then lying about it just before your presidential election does not make you a small government conservative. And, finally, registering as a  Republican does not make you a small government conservative, or a conservative at all.

McCain has no major differences from his opponent other than national Security(and after he voted against FISA, maybe not even that). The Iraq war doesnt matter right now. We are close to victory. If we gave up and started pulling out right now, it would take 18 months or more to pull out. If we stay the course, we will start pulling out in a few months anyway. Obama has no choice in this issue. Neither does McCain.

John McCain is well liked and Admired in congress as well. He is the favorite Republican of the Dems. At least untill a few months ago he was.

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To Rabid, I am not going to vote for a liberal, even if a Liberal Hollywood comedy show says my vote "Counts". I am not staying home because I am jaded about America, or the Political process. I am staying home because all of the other GOP choices collapsed, and McCain is the only choice.

Rabid wrote:I watched "South Park" the other night and the subject was voting. They had to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Kyle refused to vote, even though his friends were overwhelming for giant douche. For not voting, he was banished from South Park, spit on, and put on a horse backward with a bucket over his head and they slapped it on the rump and turned their backs on him.

He encountered some PETA people in the wilderness who couldn't believe how the horse had been mistreated.

So Kyle goes back to South Park to finally cast his vote for turd sandwich. After he voted they told him that giant douche had already won by a landslide. He was very upset and stated that his vote didn't count, but was assured by all that even though his candidate lost by a landslide, his vote was important.

Then his friends all hated him for not voting for giant douche.

The moral of the story is that your vote counts, Mr. Jones!

I hate to say it but at least the Obamanable Snowman states his position and you know where he stands. McCain seems to pander to anybody and everybody who seems convenient. The Palin choice underscores that.

missed the show but that story has me laughing out of the seat rabid! might have to start watching tv again.


i do take exception on the clarity of obama however. opinion only but he seems to be as much the politician as anyone in dc starting with today's headliners. he's all over the place grasping at votes and from just about every string someone behind the curtain seems to be pulling. it would be one thing if obama had an observable track record that we could interpret with some sensible direction or focus. then his platform might hang together more clearly...like a deck maybe but his platform looks more like playground-set right now, strewn-out across a field in all sorts of directions. its way too wide a net to interpret. will he get votes, of course. will he win, i don't think its possible and i do think that ads credibility to your points about mccain selling out. he and the dnc are possibly cutting deals right now, i would think so.


i don't particularly care for the mccain's politics either but i certainly respect his military background and understand his well documented positions. he's easy to interpret and i get where he is reaching out for votes for the sake of votes. no question mccain has little intention of upholding promises to many of us who will vote for him. and candidly i'm not sure the dnc is going to be all that upset with mccain. who knows, maybe this years election is a big trump for the dnc since the only possible republican running is palin.


this years race is down to the devil we do and the devil we don't, the only potential angel in this crowd being palin. and to be genuine this would hold for most republicans and roughly a third of all democrats that delcare themselves so.


this year we will be betting on the devil we know, give it four, hold our breath, and pray the dynamnic duo does not screw things up so badly that we all lose our interest in voting in the next election.

Tax and spend Palin and her running mate can go be "mavericks" together. They can abandon GOP principles together. And they can lose together. And then the GOP will wake up and give us a real Buckley Conservative, and we can win like we did in 1980 and 1984.

Mr Jones wrote:Tax and spend Palin and her running mate can go be "mavericks" together. They can abandon GOP principles together. And they can lose together. And then the GOP will wake up and give us a real Buckley Conservative, and we can win like we did in 1980 and 1984.

you may not have that opportunity to vote if obama gets elected, for real. you don't know what he is or is not.

seabee wrote:

Mr Jones wrote:Tax and spend Palin and her running mate can go be "mavericks" together. They can abandon GOP principles together. And they can lose together. And then the GOP will wake up and give us a real Buckley Conservative, and we can win like we did in 1980 and 1984.

you may not have that opportunity to vote if obama gets elected, for real. you don't know what he is or is not.

I wont be convinced by these bizarre arguments. The American people would never allow anyone to take their voting rights away. Obama is a socialist and would kill the economy, but he would not be able to to that.

We should let the liberals do the damage that they would do, then run a real conservative in 2012. Even if McCain wins, It will be bad for America. McCain is sympathetic to socialist policies, and would be willing to compromise free markets as long as he could call himself a "Global Bipartisan"(Thanks, GOPER) on the Nightly news.

The White house doesnt even matter as much as Congress, and after 2 years of Comrade Obama and Secretary Gereral Pelosi the economy would be wrecked. The same thing might happen under McCain.  After this, the GOP would learn its lesson, and run real Buckley conservatives and dump the RINOS.

Mr Jones wrote:

seabee wrote:

Mr Jones wrote:Tax and spend Palin and her running mate can go be "mavericks" together. They can abandon GOP principles together. And they can lose together. And then the GOP will wake up and give us a real Buckley Conservative, and we can win like we did in 1980 and 1984.

you may not have that opportunity to vote if obama gets elected, for real. you don't know what he is or is not.

I wont be convinced by these bizarre arguments. The American people would never allow anyone to take their voting rights away. Obama is a socialist and would kill the economy, but he would not be able to to that.

We should let the liberals do the damage that they would do, then run a real conservative in 2012. Even if McCain wins, It will be bad for America. McCain is sympathetic to socialist policies, and would be willing to compromise free markets as long as he could call himself a "Global Bipartisan"(Thanks, GOPER) on the Nightly news.

The White house doesnt even matter as much as Congress, and after 2 years of Comrade Obama and Secretary Gereral Pelosi the economy would be wrecked. The same thing might happen under McCain. After this, the GOP would learn its lesson, and run real Buckley conservatives and dump the RINOS.

wolfman, your paradigms illustrate what aristotle warned of for democratic society. he was talking to athens, the original democratic state, and its quite applicable to america.

the fragility of our vote and all our rights has nothing to do with what you think your neighbors will or will not do - its what your neighbors think. non-thought, non-action, a sense of empowerment, a sense of immunity to what we see on tv are the fertile breeding grounds of tyranny.

what will your neighbors do to "never" give up that vote.

let's first take a close look at them. the one's that work the hardest are not actually your neighbors, they are conscripts from other nations whose commitment to your vote starts and stops with the dollar. your military, who is the strongest and most courageous of our neighbors, report directly to that president of yours. not to congress. served with many and never met one who was protecting you or your rights. i certainly wasn't. plus i guarantee you that none -- zero -- will so much as raise a finger for you against the president. not congress. especially not the courts. and not you. the president.

so who are all those other neighbors that are going to stand up for that vote of yours?

can't be the wealthy because they don't actually think about your rights. as far as they are concerned you have only those they alone grant you. and oh, by they way, you're kind of pathetic in their eyes. you don't have a handsome pile while their big agenda on any given day is protecting their own while admiring and conniving to abscond with someone else's. they pretend to be something they are not. and for the most part their big claim in life is ripping others and then giving it away to those that don't or can't work, including their children. speaking of which those neighbors are a very scary lot -- the wealthy inbreed and produce nasty little creatures that don't, can't and won't work. they are the most self-righteous and shallow lot you'll ever encounter and as a brood they appear scripted in aristocracy. nope, i don't see them doing anything about that vote of yours.

what about the middle class? make that what middle class?

and the rest of your neighbors, the increasingly vast majority of increasingly impoverished, obese, and disenfranchised american's whose vote is so keenly sought after at this particular hour? the one's that will rise up to save that vote of yours? the one's that their lawmakers blame the food for making them fat? its the foods fault?

yeah man, its the foods fault! the chicken did it. let's go hang a burger from a tree!! mcdonald's owes me money!!! and i'll be right there to save that vote of yours just as soon as i can...get...up...from...this...couch. wait a minute...honey! where's the clicker!?! oh shoot! spilled jelly donut down my face again, i hate it when that happens!!

oh yeah, those neighbors of yours wolfman. that little vote of yours is safe and sound in the arms of your neighbors. go ahead and don't vote. go ahead and be a non-entity. the tv will always be there for you, that's possibly true, but i'm not all that sure about those rights of yours if you don't stand up and exercise them now. intelligently. thoughtfully.