The Projected Democrat Tsumani

The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby Patricia on 07/04/08, 6:09 pm

I hope someone can help me understand why the drive by media is projecting that Dems will increase their numbers in the House and the Senate in November.  Even though President Bush's approval ratings are in the tank, the congress has the lowest approval ratings recorded in the history of the republic.  How does one reconcile these factors?
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby SoldiersMum on 07/04/08, 9:19 pm

They use the theory that if they repeat something enough times, it will become truth and the sheep will comply.  Not only that, a huge segment of the population believes that since Bush is President, Congress is Republican.  Yes, they are that stupid.
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby what on 07/05/08, 11:40 pm

Patricia wrote:I hope someone can help me understand why the drive by media is projecting that Dems will increase their numbers in the House and the Senate in November.  Even though President Bush's approval ratings are in the tank, the congress has the lowest approval ratings recorded in the history of the republic.  How does one reconcile these factors?


I can help.  Its the fact that the Dems in congress are higher than the Reps in congress. when they pull us out of iraq and finally kill osama, their numbers will shoot evben higher. The problem with the GOP is that everyone knows that they are the cause of the nightmare situation we are in today. all that Corporate welfare, greed, corruption, and incompetance is going to create a super majority in the senate and house, not to mention President Obama.  
Obama has a vision while John Mcbush is more of the same.  even GOP lies will not convince the dullards this time. they learned their lesson the HARD way.  Stock market in the toilet, forclosures at hisotrical record highs, still in BOTH iraq and afghnistan with no end in sight ( under GOP rule of course. they need the $$$ generated from war, thats why they dont care to win or get out). Deficit Clock burning up the bearings, their policy of exporting jobs and importing crap made from child labor is no longer something they try and hide. gas prices, food prices, etc..etc... through the roof.  

The people see what total GOP rule has done and want to TAKE THE TRASH OUT !!
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby bedbug on 07/06/08, 12:06 am

Well I'll give you this much, Obama has a vision. His vision includes higher taxes, less oil, more government regulation, less national security, conversations with terrorists, Medicaid for illegals, amnesty for illegals and a larger more intrusive federal government.

Lenin had a vision for Russia. Mao for China. Castro for Cuba. Pol Pot for Cambodia. Bin Laden has a vision for Islam. Ahmadinejad has a vision for Israel.

Having a vision for the future is not always a good thing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby SoldiersMum on 07/06/08, 3:05 am

what wrote:
Patricia wrote:I hope someone can help me understand why the drive by media is projecting that Dems will increase their numbers in the House and the Senate in November.  Even though President Bush's approval ratings are in the tank, the congress has the lowest approval ratings recorded in the history of the republic.  How does one reconcile these factors?


I can help.  Its the fact that the Dems in congress are higher than the Reps in congress. when they pull us out of iraq and finally kill osama, their numbers will shoot evben higher. The problem with the GOP is that everyone knows that they are the cause of the nightmare situation we are in today. all that Corporate welfare, greed, corruption, and incompetance is going to create a super majority in the senate and house, not to mention President Obama.  
Obama has a vision while John Mcbush is more of the same.  even GOP lies will not convince the dullards this time. they learned their lesson the HARD way.  Stock market in the toilet, forclosures at hisotrical record highs, still in BOTH iraq and afghnistan with no end in sight ( under GOP rule of course. they need the $$$ generated from war, thats why they dont care to win or get out). Deficit Clock burning up the bearings, their policy of exporting jobs and importing crap made from child labor is no longer something they try and hide. gas prices, food prices, etc..etc... through the roof.  

The people see what total GOP rule has done and want to TAKE THE TRASH OUT !!


Excuse me, What.  If you want to post on this conservative board and you want us to discuss things with you, then you need to stop with the talking points, name calling and innuendos and provide reasonable dialogue and factual data.   Are you a socialist or a communist, What?  Let's start with that so we know what we are dealing with.
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby Patricia on 07/06/08, 7:15 am

In reply to "what".....
Rather than respond on an intellectual basis, your choice was to launch personal attacks and name call like a child on a playground at recess.  Your rant just reinforces my experience with liberals (or "progressives" if you prefer).  Since you are unable to respond on the basis of ideology or fact, you default to what comes naturally to you and your ilk.  Name calling.  Perhaps you should read the report for the AP this morning which reveals that 550 tons of yellow cake uranium has been removed from Iraq and is now safely in Canada.  What do you suppose Saddam was planning to do with it?
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby what on 07/06/08, 1:28 pm

bedbug wrote:Well I'll give you this much, Obama has a vision. His vision includes higher taxes
On the rich who have been given a free ride under Bush while our economy goes into the sewer and the deficit climbs to historic levels. Do you make over 250,000 by yourself ?? then YES , you will be taxed at the rate when Clinton was Pres. did we see the economy go down the toilet then?? NOPE!! your fear card does not play well with an INFORMED voter. Sorry

, less oil,

Less Oil ?? How is that ?? he says to go ahead and drill in the 68 million acres that the oil companies currently have under contract that they are NOT drilling on. Less DEPENDANCY on oil is his plan. try and stay focussed.

more government regulation,
I hate regulation...LOL.  are you crazy?? do you think the money grubbing corporate greed machine will police themselves?? I guess more samalia, e-coli, plane crashes, bad prescription drugs, and toxins in our rivers is the dream of the GOP, NOT MINE.

less national security,

We sure are secure now with the bush plan of creating more terrorists while not hunting them down WHERE THEY LIVE !!! Obama at least wants to get back to the real fight with the ones who ACTUALLY ATTACKED US.

conversations with terrorists,

Lets just leave that to Reagan and W with N Korea...LOL you guys are funny.

Medicaid for illegals,

Lie



amnesty for illegals

Wasnt Reagan the father of modern day amnesty?? Bush and McBush want to follow in their heros foot steps..LOL


and a larger more intrusive federal government.

Larger than what ?? The bush increase?? or the reagan increase? the government actually was getting smaller under Clinton.  facts suck, dont they??

Lenin had a vision for Russia. Mao for China. Castro for Cuba. Pol Pot for Cambodia. Bin Laden has a vision for Islam. Ahmadinejad has a vision for Israel.

And the GOP vision of world dominaiton went down the tubes , thanks to bush and the incompetance and greed of your leaders. Thanks for that. now we can get back to repairing what they have done to this country,

Having a vision for the future is not always a good thing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Yep, it sure is.
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby what on 07/06/08, 1:34 pm

SoldiersMum wrote:
what wrote:
Patricia wrote:I hope someone can help me understand why the drive by media is projecting that Dems will increase their numbers in the House and the Senate in November.  Even though President Bush's approval ratings are in the tank, the congress has the lowest approval ratings recorded in the history of the republic.  How does one reconcile these factors?


I can help.  Its the fact that the Dems in congress are higher than the Reps in congress  FACT. when they pull us out of iraq and finally kill osama, their numbers will shoot evben higher FACT. The problem with the GOP is that everyone knows that they are the cause of the nightmare situation we are in today FACT. all that Corporate welfare, greed, corruption, and incompetance is going to create a super majority in the senate and house, not to mention President Obama even you can see this, right?.  
Obama has a vision while John Mcbush is more of the same.  even GOP lies will not convince the dullards this time. they learned their lesson the HARD way.  Stock market in the toilet FACT, forclosures at hisotrical record highs fact, still in BOTH iraq and afghnistan with no end in sight FACT( under GOP rule of course. they need the $$$ generated from war, thats why they dont care to win or get out). Deficit Clock burning up the bearings fact, their policy of exporting jobs and importing crap made from child labor is no longer something they try and hide you disagree with this?? . gas prices, food prices, etc..etc... through the roof  Are they NOT ?  .  

The people see what total GOP rule has done and want to TAKE THE TRASH OUT !! Oh, they certainly DO  


Excuse me, What.  If you want to post on this conservative board and you want us to discuss things with you, then you need to stop with the talking points, name calling and innuendos and provide reasonable dialogue and factual data.   Are you a socialist or a communist, What?  Let's start with that so we know what we are dealing with.


Does that go both ways ??  I guess calling me a socialist or a communist is ok because that is "factual"  LOLAY??

I am an AMERICAN in the DEMOCRATIC party who wants to see OUR country survive the GOP debacle we have been suffering through for 7 + years. How about you ??
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby watcher on 07/06/08, 2:35 pm

Most American’s do not realize that the President does not write the policies he only signs or veto’s depending on if they follow the laws and policies that have been already made. There are specific goals that each President lays out that he/she wants accomplished but if the legislature will not act on those initiatives then it will not happen. Two examples are; any proposal for drilling for oil in our borders has been blocked every time. Stopping earmarks from being inserted in bills has been blocked every time.
The process of making policies for this country has become the problem of this country.  Policies and the bills that implement them are no longer made to benefit the people of this country. They are written to benefit themselves and the ‘party’ and whichever group of buddies that gives them money, power or something else that they want.



45.3 % of all revenue comes from personal income taxes.
14.4 % of all revenue comes from corporate taxes.
33.9 % of all revenue comes from Social Security and retirement receipts.
2.5 % of all revenue comes from excise taxes.
1% of all revenue comes from custom duties taxes.
1.9% of all revenue comes from miscellaneous taxes.
http://encarta.msn.com/media_461547847/ ... enues.html

See the United States Economy
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_174 ... #461547847


A social Security tax that each individual pays is matched dollar by dollar by his employer, which is not considered part of corporate taxes.

Less people working = less taxes collected by the government.
3.2 % decline in revenues so far in 2008 as of the month of March.
Democrats have had a majority in the legislature since 2006.
Less growth in economy means less business & people to spend money, business earns less and people earn less = less tax revenue.
Proposed Increases in taxes by Obama = even less money for business & people to spend = even less money business and people make = overall future tax base decreases = revenue to government reduces overall= deficit grows even more

Over taxation stops growth.
No growth= less revenues= more entitlement spending will be needed = higher deficit.
Slowing economy = less money is spent = less tax revenues collected = higher deficit.

3 main factors effecting economy now.
Sub-prime mortgage problem. Clinton Administration reduced regulatory restraints, which allowed shaky loans to be made.
= Increased defaults on loans = less money for people and business = less tax revenue
Clinton cut Military budget by 2/3’s leaving forces without proper equipment, pay and staff to meet any upcoming needs to defend off aggression.
= Rebuilding of military = large outlay of funds in short time period = more tax money needed = higher deficit.  It always cost more to rebuild as opposed to maintain.
Clinton cut CIA and FBI staff and support.
= Leaving country unprepared and unprotected = 9/11 attack = lost lives and huge costs to this country.
Democrats and environmentalist have stopped any meaningful avenues of energy independence since 1970’s
= Blocking any new oil drilling, blocking any new nuclear power, blocking any new coal exploration = eventual higher energy prices because we must import energy = increased national security concerns to make sure we can import that energy = government, business and people spend more just to keep status quo = less money being spent on anything else = less tax revenues = higher deficit
Democrats have increased entitlement programs, which have to be paid for.
= On-going and higher dependency on future tax revenues = less money for people and business to spend because they are paying taxes instead of hiring new employees and giving raises to employees = less money for business and people to spend = less tax revenues in future = higher deficit = eventual Depression
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light
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Re: The Projected Democrat Tsumani

Postby what on 07/06/08, 5:19 pm

watcher wrote:Most American’s do not realize that the President does not write the policies he only signs or veto’s depending on if they follow the laws and policies that have been already made. So you are laughably saying that BUSH had no say on what legislation was developed or introduced for the 6 years that the GOp was in TOTAL CONTROL ??

There are specific goals that each President lays out that he/she wants accomplished but if the legislature will not act on those initiatives then it will not happen.  like the war in Iraq , prescription drug entitlement, the open borders, etc..

Two examples are; any proposal for drilling for oil in our borders has been blocked every time only in the national wildlife refuges of course, the oil companies have 68 MILLION acres to drill on today and still refuse to do it. it could diminish their historic profits.

. Stopping earmarks from being inserted in bills has been blocked every time.  Even the president knows that stopping earmarks is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. EVEN Mc bush knows that earmarks pay for too much to be eliminated.
The process of making policies for this country has become the problem of this country.  Policies and the bills that implement them are no longer made to benefit the people of this country. They are written to benefit themselves and the ‘party’ and whichever group of buddies that gives them money, power or something else that they want.
i agree



45.3 % of all revenue comes from personal income taxes.
14.4 % of all revenue comes from corporate taxes.
33.9 % of all revenue comes from Social Security and retirement receipts.
2.5 % of all revenue comes from excise taxes.
1% of all revenue comes from custom duties taxes.
1.9% of all revenue comes from miscellaneous taxes.
http://encarta.msn.com/media_461547847/ ... enues.html

See the United States Economy
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_174 ... #461547847


A social Security tax that each individual pays is matched dollar by dollar by his employer, which is not considered part of corporate taxes.

Less people working = less taxes collected by the government.
3.2 % decline in revenues so far in 2008 as of the month of March. Bush has the worst job creating record since the great depression. you are right. the only thing keeping his fake economy from sinking is the rich and super rich are making so much money they are keeping the coffers treading water.
Democrats have had a majority in the legislature since 2006.  [B]GOP had a majority in the house, the senate and owned the white house for 6 years before that, and the house and senate before that. trying to blame this on the DEMS IS LAUGHABLE.   Not to mention that the obstructionist GOP minority and bush finally finding his veto pen also have to be entered into the problem.[/B]
Less growth in economy means less business & people to spend money, business earns less and people earn less = less tax revenue.  Yes


Proposed Increases in taxes by Obama = even less money for business & people to spend Not the middle class and lower class of course. saying otherwise would be a LIE putting more money into the hands of those who will spend it is the right course. they will spend it on things they need and then small business will produce more and hire more to do the producing. then they will also spend their new earnings= even less money business and people make = overall future tax base decreases = revenue to government reduces overall= deficit grows even more  WRONG, time for an economics class.

Over taxation stops growth.  Did "over taxation" stop growth during the Clinton years?? Obama merely wants to increase the rate for the top 2% TO THAT RATE. i dont remember the econoy collapsing. i do remember the deficit dwindling and the economy was robust.


No growth= less revenues= more entitlement spending will be needed = higher deficit.  we know which party loves a historically large deficit , DONT WE??
Slowing economy = less money is spent = less tax revenues collected = higher deficit.

3 main factors effecting economy now.
Sub-prime mortgage problem. Clinton Administration reduced regulatory restraints, which allowed shaky loans to be made.  WOOOAAAA !!!! clinton did that?? i say you need to look into that further. I did know somehow it would be clintons fault.. LOL
= Increased defaults on loans = less money for people and business = less tax revenue
Clinton cut Military budget by 2/3’s leaving forces without proper equipment, pay and staff to meet any upcoming needs to defend off aggression.  LOL, once again you show your ignorance . rummy continued the Clinton cuts which started due to the end of the cold war. Rummy even said we need a more streamlined force for MODERN warfare.  what a JOKE.  just because war profiteerign is the only way the GOP can bolster an economy , dont blame Clinton.
= Rebuilding of military = large outlay of funds in short time period = more tax money needed = higher deficit.  It always cost more to rebuild as opposed to maintain.  [B]Seems to be working since 9/12/2001??? LOLAY [/B]


Clinton cut CIA and FBI staff and support.  smaller government is your dream?? isnt it??


= Leaving country unprepared and unprotected = 9/11 attack = lost lives and huge costs to this country. If i remember correctly 9/11 happened in september of 2001, under Bush's watch ( you cannot change the date of the attack to suit your rhetoric, Sorry) and after he ignored over 40 warnings. he did launch an investigation into the missing W keys on the staff computers...DUH
Democrats and environmentalist have stopped any meaningful avenues of energy independence since 1970’s have they?? majority reublicans did NOthing, newt did nothing, reagan did nothing, bush did nothing, but its the dens fault.. funny stuff. time to pull your head out of the sand. we have let the repubs have a try. now its time to let the Dems implement their programs and see what happens. i think you will see a moonshot of energy.


= Blocking any new oil drilling, blocking any new nuclear power, blocking any new coal exploration = eventual higher energy prices because we must import energy = increased national security concerns to make sure we can import that energy = government, business and people spend more just to keep status quo = less money being spent on anything else = less tax revenues = higher deficit .  WRONG AGAIN. the oil companies have 68 million to drill on.. they just dont want to loose those record profits with more product in 10 years.
Democrats have increased entitlement programs, which have to be paid for.  [B]Are you OK ??I thought it was a Bush/GOP entitlement that was the biggest since the new deal. but I  YOU could be wrong. [/B]


= On-going and higher dependency on future tax revenues = less money for people and business to spend because they are paying taxes instead of hiring new employees and giving raises to employees except that is NOT the dems plan of course. they will put MORE MONEY INTO THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO WILL SPEND IT = less money for business and people to spend = less tax revenues in future = higher deficit = eventual Depression


facts suck. dont they
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