romulun wrote:One way to know if Global Warming is a good thing or bad, would be to check the historical record to see if mankind had lived on a warmer planet. Had man been around when the Earth was as much as 5 degrees F warmer then today? If so, did mankind do well?
Was disease more? Or Less?
Did crops do better? Or worse?
Was there more rain? Or less?
Did man live longer? Or shorter?

How far back would one have to look to find out? Are there written records of the last time that the Earth was warmer then today?

http://www.civilization.ca/cmc/archeo/oracles/norse/40.htm

http://www.stanford.edu/~moore/history_health.html

This is history, something that could be looked at by anybody, checked, and double checked. Not something that is the results of computer models that can be manipulated by adjusting a variable here or there to get the desired results.

Eyas wrote:
Did you get the PM I sent you?  Watch out when EnragedParrot responds to this thread.  Science & reality will become unnecessary & you may end up banging your head against a wall until you get a concussion.  Just a warning.  

Check out the PM I sent you.

SoldiersMum wrote:Enraged P, I already mentioned the 70's global cooling theories and what they wanted to do to warm up the Earth. Now, I'd like to ask you, do you know that during a period in our history scientists declared that rain followed plowing. Yep, it's true. So, all the farmers plowed like mad. They plowed under everything that was growing in an attempt to break the extensive droughts. They called it sod busting. Ever heard of it?

So, what happened with the sod busting? The winds came in full force and blew the top soil all the way to the Pacific Ocean. Those were the dust bowls of the 1930s.

My point here is just that scientific consensus doesn't mean squat. It didn't mean anything then, it didn't mean anything in the 70s with the global cooling and the ozone layer and it doesn't mean anything now. The Earth has warmed less than 1 degree, a warming far less than other warmings in the Earth's history. The Earth goes thru cycles and will continue to go thru cycles and there is nothing we can do about it. As I mentioned before, the slight heating occurred prior to the increase in co2 in the atmosphere, not before and so therefore man is not the cause of the less than 1 degree of warming.

EnragedParrot wrote:

SoldiersMum wrote:Enraged P, I already mentioned the 70's global cooling theories and what they wanted to do to warm up the Earth. Now, I'd like to ask you, do you know that during a period in our history scientists declared that rain followed plowing. Yep, it's true. So, all the farmers plowed like mad. They plowed under everything that was growing in an attempt to break the extensive droughts. They called it sod busting. Ever heard of it?

So, what happened with the sod busting? The winds came in full force and blew the top soil all the way to the Pacific Ocean. Those were the dust bowls of the 1930s.

Really? The Dust Bowl of the 1930's was, to my understanding, caused by severe drought conditions coupled with improper soil conservation techniques practiced by farmers. I'm pretty sure scientists didn't think plowing the soil was going to end the droughts...

My point here is just that scientific consensus doesn't mean squat. It didn't mean anything then, it didn't mean anything in the 70s with the global cooling and the ozone layer and it doesn't mean anything now. The Earth has warmed less than 1 degree, a warming far less than other warmings in the Earth's history. The Earth goes thru cycles and will continue to go thru cycles and there is nothing we can do about it. As I mentioned before, the slight heating occurred prior to the increase in co2 in the atmosphere, not before and so therefore man is not the cause of the less than 1 degree of warming.

It doesn't mean anything, but I don't see what that has to do with anything I've said in this thread.

Also, I've addressed the arguments you've presented here several times elsewhere, and I'm still waiting for a response.

EnragedParrot wrote:What we have here, Soldier'sMum, is a failure to communicate. What model of mine exactly are you talking about? When have I dismissed what you've said?

SoldiersMum wrote:
WHAT????  I'm going to go bang my head on the wall now.  Have a nice day.

Soldier'sMum wrote:I have addressed what you have written over and over but you dismiss anything and everything I say based on your own theory which you place in a very strict regiment to cover nothing but your model and apparently believe that model is the only answer to anything.