Your comment on military contributions is just something you made up.  The military supports  John McCain by at least 78% and so do the veterans and they support the war.

While your "friends" do not support the war, I suspect they joined for the bennies and not to go fight for their country.  I also suspect your "friends," all of whom do not support the war are liberals just as you are.

Now, regarding the conservative troops.  I can tell you and I know this out of the mouths of many soldiers including my son, they support the war but they do not support the rules of engagement which were established when the CDNC took control of Congress.  They are not allowed to fire their weapons, not even one bullet, without being shot at first.  If they do, they become the subject of an investigation (thanks, John Murtha).  If they killed someone, it is even worse.  They are sitting ducks.  For warriors to be placed in a position where the liberal PC of this country is putting their lives in jeopardy is absolutely a problem with them and rightfully so.  

I was reading an article, I believe it was in the Washington Post, regarding President Al Gore and what he would have done regarding the Iraq war.  Their conclusion was that he would have done exactly what Bush did.

My conclusion is that the results would have been much different.  Even if he had done everything precisely as Bush did, he would never have had you and your's denegrating the troops, the war,  Rumsfeld, the Commander-in-Chief and his role as President non-stop since the beginning.  The interference from Congress has been astounding.  The challenge to the Commander-in-Chief has been horrible in a time of war.  Had Gore been the President, things would have gone probably better and faster but not because of dear ole Algore's war prowess but because the obstacles you all have thrown up to the war effort have been a hindrance in the performance of the war.

Is the morale of the troops effected by your anti-war rhetoric, the anti-war people and the actions of the CDNC majority in Congress? You bet it is.  I do not have a problem with people not really being keen on the war.  I have a problem with the entire country(regardless of ideology) not joining hands and supporting our troops at war.  We sent them there.  We have the obligation to support their job.  Patriotism is not an anti-war movement.  Patriotism is supporting those people who willingly put themselves in danger for their country regardless of what they are sent there to do.  If you are an American, you should be able to distinguish the two.

SoldiersMum wrote:Your comment on military contributions is just something you made up.  The military supports  John McCain by at least 78% and so do the veterans and they support the war.

Why are you so adverse to facts and Google?? It's really not that hard to think for yourself. you just have to WAT TOO.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Ron Paul have little in common politically, except their opposition to the Iraq war.
Both top a new list of presidential candidates receiving campaign contributions from people who work for the four branches of the military and National Guard, according to a study released Thursday by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-09-13-military-donors_N.htm

Obama outpaces McCain in donations from military personnel.
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Largely as a result of “dissatisfaction with the course of the war under President Bush and with the treatment of veterans returning home,” Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is collecting more in military contributions than is Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). The AP reports, “Among people who have donated at least $200 to a presidential campaign this election cycle, Obama has collected more than $327,000 from those identifying themselves as military personnel, while McCain has collected $224,000.” Even many wealthy donors who contributed to Bush in 2004 have been reluctant to donate to McCain because of his Iraq policies.
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OWNED again.

soldiersmum wrote:While your "friends" do not support the war, I suspect they joined for the bennies and not to go fight for their country.  I also suspect your "friends," all of whom do not support the war are liberals just as you are.

Wrong. I already said they were ALL Republicans. ALL.  and ALL of them siad they will not vote GO this time. they will either vote Obama or sit this one out. My father who served in the Army will never vote GOP again after the bush debacle. you can call me a liar all you want. the facts this November will tell a different story.

[quote=Soldiersmum"]Now, regarding the conservative troops.  I can tell you and I know this out of the mouths of many soldiers including my son, they support the war but they do not support the rules of engagement which were established when the CDNC took control of Congress.  They are not allowed to fire their weapons, not even one bullet, without being shot at first.  If they do, they become the subject of an investigation (thanks, John Murtha).  If they killed someone, it is even worse.  They are sitting ducks.  For warriors to be placed in a position where the liberal PC of this country is putting their lives in jeopardy is absolutely a problem with them and rightfully so.   [/quote]

What is the CDNC??  thanks John Murtha??  Time to get back to the real world. Its a WAR isnt it and GWB and his hand picked Generals RUN THE SHOW ON THE GROUND.  Dont you get that?? Bush has gotten everything he has asked for since 9/12/2001.  EVERYTHING !!!! not one thing that he has asked for has been turned down. NOT ONE !!  So whose fault is it ??

[quoute="Soldiersmum"] I was reading an article, I believe it was in the Washington Post, regarding President Al Gore and what he would have done regarding the Iraq war.  Their conclusion was that he would have done exactly what Bush did. [/quote] I believe you are not telling the truth.  Al Gore would have let the inspectors complete their job, prove that Saddam was lying to quell his angry populace, and let the factions inside Iraq handle their own business.  Saddam used the threat of WMD to keep power. once that lie was proven , the people would have killed him.

soldiersmum wrote: My conclusion is that the results would have been much different.  Even if he had done everything precisely as Bush did, he would never have had you and your's denegrating the troops, the war,  Rumsfeld, the Commander-in-Chief and his role as President non-stop since the beginning.  The interference from Congress has been astounding.

  As i have PROVEN time and time again that your party 9especially on this site) are the ones denigrating the troops. Not me or the Dems.  we want our troops in the real fight, with adequate equipment, with competant leadership, with real benifits when they get home, and home safe instead of in Iraq for oil profits where the leaders came out YESTERDAY and said GET OUT !!! when they say that, we are OFFICIALLY OCCUPIERS !!!

soldiersmum wrote:The challenge to the Commander-in-Chief has been horrible in a time of war.  Had Gore been the President, things would have gone probably better and faster but not because of dear ole Algore's war prowess but because the obstacles you all have thrown up to the war effort have been a hindrance in the performance of the war.

those obsticles being WHAT ?? like i said before, Bush has gotten EVERYTHING HE HAS ASKED FOR SINCE 9/12/01.  Remember bush CHOSE THE WAR IN IRAQ. it was his plan, his timeline, his chosen commanders, etc...etc..etc... but its still the Dems fault...LOL

soldiersmum wrote: Is the morale of the troops effected by your anti-war rhetoric, the anti-war people and the actions of the CDNC majority in Congress? You bet it is.  I do not have a problem with people not really being keen on the war.  I have a problem with the entire country(regardless of ideology) not joining hands and supporting our troops at war.  We sent them there.  We have the obligation to support their job.  Patriotism is not an anti-war movement.  Patriotism is supporting those people who willingly put themselves in danger for their country regardless of what they are sent there to do.  If you are an American, you should be able to distinguish the two.

Like i said, The troops are more ANTI WAR than I am.  they are the ones bleeding for the Cowards here at home in the blog wars.

The CDNC has desperately tried to make the Iraq War another Viet Nam. They use war as a campaign football. War is not a game.  War is about life and death. War is about freedom. War is horrendous. War can and should be debated. Debate the war before you go to war and debate the war after the war is over but not during the war. If it must be debated during the war than it should be done so behind closed doors. Away from the eyes and ears of the enemy. A determination should be made to continue or withdraw and then do so with a strong voice and total support for that decision.
Anybody, whether a politician or private citizen who publicly speaks against anyone in the military in a time of war, should be ashamed of themselves. There are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  If one does not agree with the reasons for going to war, that is your right, but any comments of negativity should be directed at the politicians on the hill not the men and women who wear the uniform of this country.
So much has been done to demoralize the Military. False accusations of atrocities, holding up funding, giving aid to the enemy by giving interviews to news media stating how wrong we are to be there. Public trials, conducted by the media as judge and jury, in my opinion, should be stopped. There is a time and place to deal with any wrong doings by military members and the acts of those very very few who do wrong should not become a burden to be borne by the rest who are honorable.
The constant meddling in rules of engagement has put every soldier in theater in danger. Battles and any of the decisions to fallback or to move forward should not be made because of protesters holding signs or foreign diplomats making statements. The men and women who are in the war are the only ones qualified to make those decisions. The Generals, Admirals, Kernels and Lieutenants who lay out the plans of war should be the ones who have dodged the bullets and avoided the bombs themselves. Those who have never been where the bombs and bullets are should have no say in the matter.
Murtha is someone who should know better. He served in the Military during a war that was run from Capitol Hill, whose battle decisions on the ground and in the air were dictated by those who were not there. The unnecessary loss of life and the physical and mental wounds of that war was a direct result of poliiticains who were more interested in posturing to voters at home than standing behind the soldiers who were in harms way.
When you elect to go to war you do so to win. You give the military everything that they need to insure a win and that includes your support of the mission and the ones who are part of that mission. When things become difficult, take more time is not a valid reason to start denouncing the war. Those politicians’ then and those politicians’ now who have not stood behind their word of commitment for this countries decision to go to war have hands stained with the blood of every person, solider and citizen, who was wounded or died not because of the war itself but because their actions and words may have caused one extra bullet, one extra bomb, one extra insurgent, one extra minuet of time that war was not won.

Watcher,

Excellent post.

Excellent post, Watcher.  I don't need to even go back to answer the Yeti's comments, you have done it for me.

Except this one thing.  The Yeti, you can spew forth all your MSM polls you want to but if you think anyone should believe anything the liberal MSM uses as their polls, then why don't we just name them Pravda II since they are an arm of the CDNC, throw their total support to Obama and use every means within their grasp to boost Obama while denegrating McCain.   ABC, USA Today and AP are liberal and I will not accept any results of their polls.  Polling is all in the questions asked and who they are asked to.  Any poll can say anything.  That is why I will not listen to any poll, either side.