You do know that John McBush squeeled like a pig when the Vietcong wanted info ? Does that make him a traitor in your troop hating mind?? Is every troop on the Dem side of the argument a traitor and a disgrace ? what about Zinni, Taguba, Sanchez, Clark etc..etc..etc...

this is what is going to bring down our party, selective outrage determined soley on political affiliation. I support the service of all troops, Kerry, Clark, GWB, Petreous, etc... i do seperate their policies from their service. unlike YOU.

the Yeti wrote:You do know that John McBush squeeled like a pig when the Vietcong wanted info ? Does that make him a traitor in your troop hating mind??  Is every troop on the Dem side of the argument a traitor and a disgrace ? what about Zinni, Taguba, Sanchez, Clark etc..etc..etc...

this is what is going to bring down our party, selective outrage determined soley on political affiliation. I support the service of all troops, Kerry,  Clark,  GWB, Petreous, etc...  i do seperate their policies from their service. unlike YOU.

John McCain was tortured, Kerry cried when his feelings were hurt.  Big difference.

jokeness wrote:

the Yeti wrote:You do know that John McBush squeeled like a pig when the Vietcong wanted info ? Does that make him a traitor in your troop hating mind??  Is every troop on the Dem side of the argument a traitor and a disgrace ? what about Zinni, Taguba, Sanchez, Clark etc..etc..etc...

this is what is going to bring down our party, selective outrage determined soley on political affiliation. I support the service of all troops, Kerry,  Clark,  GWB, Petreous, etc...  i do seperate their policies from their service. unlike YOU.

John McCain was tortured, Kerry cried when his feelings were hurt.  Big difference.

Are you sure it was not harmless college hazing??

I dont even like Kerry yet i am defending him. sad, very sad. why am i the only one who is defending a soldier who faught for his country bravely when his president called  ??  

I know McCain was tortured , i am just pointing out the hypocrisy of your argument. why not let the troops who served have that dignity?? why not bust out more purple heart band aides? What if the dems at the convention wore fake pink casts like the one that McCain wore in the Hanoi Hilton ?? would you be upset ??

the Yeti wrote:Are you sure it was not harmless college hazing??

I dont even like Kerry yet i am defending him. sad, very sad. why am i the only one who is defending a soldier who faught for his country bravely when his president called  ??  

I know McCain was tortured , i am just pointing out the hypocrisy of your argument. why not let the troops who served have that dignity?? why not bust out more purple heart band aides? What if the dems at the convention wore fake pink casts like the one that McCain wore in the Hanoi Hilton ?? would you be upset ??

Because Kerry is a traitor.  he went back to Vietnam and gave aid and comfort to the very same enemy he signed up to fight.  He also accused our troops of committing atrocities of which he had no evidence of.  Why was there no evidence?  Because he was lying.

jokeness wrote:

the Yeti wrote:Are you sure it was not harmless college hazing??

I dont even like Kerry yet i am defending him. sad, very sad. why am i the only one who is defending a soldier who faught for his country bravely when his president called  ??  

I know McCain was tortured , i am just pointing out the hypocrisy of your argument. why not let the troops who served have that dignity?? why not bust out more purple heart band aides? What if the dems at the convention wore fake pink casts like the one that McCain wore in the Hanoi Hilton ?? would you be upset ??

Because Kerry is a traitor.  he went back to Vietnam and gave aid and comfort to the very same enemy he signed up to fight.  He also accused our troops of committing atrocities of which he had no evidence of.  Why was there no evidence?  Because he was lying.

Like i said before he said "I HEARD STORIES OF...

now those stories he heard could have been lies, but we all know atrocities were , and always are, commited in war time. he blamed the situation and the leadership for putting the troops into such a situation like that. it was the PLANNING and war strategy that made the troops crazy ( are you going to argue that point too?). see a correlation??  
How did he give aid and comfort to the enemy ?? he went to try and broker a peace to SAVE troops. why do you hate the troops so much?? you can be mad at his political stance, but he still went to vietnam and faught for his country, earned many medals for bravery, and was honorably discharged. the United States Navy backs him 100%. that is good enough for me. apparently not you.
Once again, thank god he is not president. Geesh

I just don't have the will to argue people like Yeti and Exercitus anymore. I can surely find the ammo, and I definitely have plenty of time on my hands; I just don't have the inclination (any more than I have the inclination to bash my head against a wall until I knock my self unconscious; come to; and do it over again.)

I hope that some others still have the willingness to argue with people like this; but I'm all tapped out.

Up is down. Black is White. John Kerry was a war-hero, not someone who besmirched all troops who served in VietNam. Yeti loves our troops, and Ultracon is a "Troop Hater". John McCain's treatment at the hands of the VietNamese was merely college hazing, and waterboarding is unconscionable torture. Communism.... good. Free Market ... bad.

I just can't take it anymore. I am now only waiting for the revolution to begin, and an end put to such arguments.

The problem with poster like THE YETI is attempting to make any sense of what they say. Standard protocol; start on one topic, switch to something different, add something that someone somewhere might have maybe said, twist that to suit the new un-truth thus creating the ever changing argument. You can’t catch up with one un- truth before they are off to the next one. This brand of logic leaves a trail of slime behind them that wears on your sense of smell so you can no longer tell where the stink is coming from.

There is no logical conclusion to be made because there was never a logical thought to start from.

One by land, two by water

We're having some serious discussion about how much time we should waste in a conservative forum with drivel like this.  It's just unproductive...

You notice how the libs keep saying something, hoping that it will stick.  Troop haters, troop haters, troop haters...  He said it 5 times within 2 posts, and he knows I'm defending the troops that John F-ing Kerry ripped in his congressional hearing.  

This is exactly the kind of crap they try with RUSH all the time, accuse your enemy of that which you yourself are guilty of, and then repeat a million times until it becomes accepted.  This bozo can only count on himself, but the big libs use the MSM the exact same way.

This should serve as a good example of how libs can't compete in the arena of ideas.  They always have to resort to lies and ignorance to get their message across.

Luckily for me, I have the off button

ultracon wrote:
You notice how the libs keep saying something, hoping that it will stick.  Troop haters, troop haters, troop haters...  He said it 5 times within 2 posts, and he knows I'm defending the troops that John F-ing Kerry ripped in his congressional hearing.  

I've seen some funny stuff on the blogs, but this is the best one yet.  I am merely POINTING out that you can twist anything into a GOP troop hating rant. You on the FAR right have perfected it.  I have been called a troop hater more times than "phony Soldier" rush can even dream of.  you defend ONLY soldiers who follow the party line and who dont question.  I on the other hand SUPPORT all SOLDIERS. i dont support all the missions.  you bash, Clark, Taguba, Zinni, Webb, Kerry, Powel, etc.. whenever they come out against gods chosen leader, you choose to degrade them and their service. Still have your purple heart band aide??? still back the smeraboatliarsforbush???

the Yeti wrote:

ultracon wrote:

You notice how the libs keep saying something, hoping that it will stick.  Troop haters, troop haters, troop haters...  He said it 5 times within 2 posts, and he knows I'm defending the troops that John F-ing Kerry ripped in his congressional hearing.  

I've seen some funny stuff on the blogs, but this is the best one yet.  I am merely POINTING out that you can twist anything into a GOP troop hating rant. You on the FAR right have perfected it.  I have been called a troop hater more times than "phony Soldier" rush can even dream of.  you defend ONLY soldiers who follow the party line and who dont question.  I on the other hand SUPPORT all SOLDIERS. i dont support all the missions.  you bash, Clark, Taguba, Zinni, Webb, Kerry, Powel, etc.. whenever they come out against gods chosen leader, you choose to degrade them and their service. Still have your purple heart band aide??? still back the smeraboatliarsforbush???

And here it is.  And in a MINIMAL form, no less.  By sentence:


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the Yeti wrote:
I am merely POINTING out that you can twist anything into a GOP troop hating rant.

I don't know what this means.  A "GOP troop hating rant."? Does this mean that the "GOP" hates troops and rants about it.  Which troops?  Who in the GOP has said this?  Is this even what is meant by this sentence.  What is being twisted?

What does this MEAN?

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the Yeti wrote:
You on the FAR right have perfected it.  

Perfected WHAT? Hating troops? Twisting things? Which Things?  Who said what, exactly, that indicates hatred of troops, generally?  

I have no problem with generalizations -- in fact, I prefer them.  Communication would be very difficult without the ability to generalize.  BUT, what generalized action or statement has been made by ANY "GOP"er that suggests general disdain for troops?

Was there any specific statement by any regular poster here that prompted this statement?  Or has ther been a baseless CREATION of an issue out of nothing, and based on nothing.

Is a disrespect or dislike for specific INDIVIDUALS who themselves have shown hatred or disdain for the military and its members, to be equated to a "hatred for troops" in general?

Is a hatred or dislike of a scumbag like Jack Murtha - who has BECOME an embarrassment to the uniform - equated to a generic despite of our brave soldiers?

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the Yeti wrote:
I have been called a troop hater more times than "phony Soldier" rush can even dream of.  

I imagine that Yeti has been called "troop hater" for good reason.  But, even if unjustified, the fact that Yeti has been called "troop hater" somehow (in his mind) justifies him in calling others "troop-hater".  This is likely because he cannot comprehend the rationale for others calling him a "troop-hater", and, because he cannot or will not acknowledge it, he feels that he has been called "troop-hater" for no reason.  Now, no one here called him "troop-hater".  Nevertheless, because he cannot understand why HE has been called "troop-hater", he feels that he can justifiably call anyone else "troop-hater" for no reason whatsoever.

No one that I know of has called Rush a "troop-hater".

The "Phony Soldier" reference was related to ACTUAL "PHONY" soldiers, and was made BY Rush.  The appellation of ""Phony Soldier" Rush"" siply makes NO SENSE AT ALL.

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the Yeti wrote:
you defend ONLY soldiers who follow the party line and who dont question.  

I'm not sure what "party line" he's suggesting that troops need to toe, ideologically speaking.

And, what does it mean "soldiers who don't question"?  Soldiers who don't question orders?  Yes, absolutely.  Soldiers who question orders throw the entire chain of command into anarchy.  The very NATURE of BEING a soldier IS obeying orders unquestioningly.

If, however, it means soldiers who do not question the need or purpose of the larger engagement as a whole -- well, YES to that, too.  We do not have a draft.  Anyone who has enlisted since 9/11/01 has KNOWN what he was getting into.  Anyone who had enlisted previously, hoping that they would never be called to action, and who -- after the fact -- objects to the purpose for which they are deployed is only essentially objecting to their own POOR DECISION to join the military.  It's not a kaffe-klatch; it the Armed Forces of the United States existing to defend this nation as deployed by the Commander in Chief.  Anyone who doesn't like it can refuse to serve -- and be Court-Martialled.

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the Yeti wrote:
I on the other hand SUPPORT all SOLDIERS. i dont support all the missions.  

This is cognitive dissonance horse-crap.  I have defied this lame argument elsewhere: http://www.rushlimbaughforum.com/supporting-the-troops-t1009.html

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the Yeti wrote:
you bash, Clark, Taguba, Zinni, Webb, Kerry, Powel, etc.. whenever they come out against gods chosen leader, you choose to degrade them and their service.

No one has bashed any of these men except Kerry in this thread.  Now we are expected to justify an un-expressed, ASSUMED "bashing" of five other men.  As if we all agree on each, and as if we have exactly the same reason to dislike one as we have for all others.

I'm not sure who is meant by "gods chosen leader", as if each of these men's actions were in response to the directives of a single Leader.

Again, no one has chosen, in this thread, to degrade anyone or their service -- except John Kerry.  But, rather than discuss John Kerry, individually, and the reasons why many of us may not respect him; we are instead accused of "bashing" five OTHER people -- with Zero evidence, or need of even bringing it up.

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the Yeti wrote:
Still have your purple heart band aide???

I wish to heck I could understand what this even means.

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the Yeti wrote:
still back the smeraboatliarsforbush?

I think that was meant to be "smearboatliarsforbush" -- meaning, presumably the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth".  This is old news, but I brought it up because of the way the media now uses the VERB "Swiftboating".  If this is the one issue that I can address, I'll try to do so -- though I have to go back in time & do some re-research.

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But none of these things addresses the issue at hand.

The issue is this:

In one of his briefest posts -- totalling 7 or 8 sentences -- there are at least 20 different issues, each of which could easily dominate an entire thread.

With posts like this -- containing innumerable statements, presumptions, accusations, etc -- there is absolutely NO way to respond in one entire thread, let alone a single post.

It is insanity.  We are witnessing the ramblings of an incoherent mind.

Again, I hope that we do not reject opposing thought on this forum.  However, such opposing thought must at the very least conform to some kind of standard that makes it possible to respond in a rational argument.

I don't know if any communist is capable of thought this concise.  Maybe not.  But Yeti/What/Exercitus does not fit the bill of a rational arguer (and, in my opinion, needs serious therapy and/or medication -- ritalin, perhaps)