bedbug wrote:In a word, wow. Please allow me the opportunity to shed some light on few points here.

First, the PC term Undocumented Americans is unacceptable. They are illegal immigrants. UA implies legitimacy. These people have in fact broken the law. Using PC lingo is the first step toward accepting leftist premises.

That is an extremely harsh term. The Latino vote is very important to our Vote Margins, and we could lose the election if we use use harsh, divisive terms like that. What are you so worried about anywawy, its just a little term?Now i know you Buckleyite folks are mad about Comprehensive Immigration Reform, but John McCain has said that he understands, its the Borders first. He has pledged to secure the borders. He, John McCain always sticks to his guns, like he did in Vietnam, when the V.C tried to interrorgate him. He refused to give any Info, even though some of his Comrades did.

bedbug wrote:McCain-Feingold is a huge issue. It is an unabashed assault on the First Amendment. And, it did nothing to take soft money out of politics. Nothing!

Well its unfortunate that you and Rush Limbaugh think that. But official studies prove that it eliminated much of the major problem. the 527s are exaggerated and blown out of proportion by the media. And even if John McCain has a hard time raising money, he sticks to this bill, and continues in an ethical and legal way.

bedbug wrote:To describe McCain as center to right is comical. National security starts with the borders. McCain's position on this core issue is crystal clear. He opposes the Bush tax cut package that pays for itself. He drinks the MMGW koolaid. He says he will sign Kyoto. He opposes drilling in ANWR. He opposes "extracurricular politics." He thinks government can "save" the economy. These are hardly minor points.Health care is for the free market. McCain has repeatedly stated thatgovernment needs to make health care affordable. His statement impliesgovernment involvement, which ALWAYS drives up prices.

As of yesterday, John McCain now supports drilling in ANWAR, and strongly defends conservatie principles on that issue. And as i have said before, John McCain understands the complaints of you Buckleyites, its the Borders first. He has pleged to secure our borders. While John McCain is Appropiately Skeptical of Capitalism, he is a strong capitalist on many issues inccluding Health Care.

bedbug wrote:McCain is losing us talk radio types because he pokes conservatives in the eye on a very regular basis.

Ronald Reagan was not the great compromiser. HE was the Great Communicator. And, HE did not defeat the USSR through compromise. HE did so by bankrupting the USSR with an arms race their socialist economy could not support. The world screamed when HE deployed the MX missile, Pershing II missile, and Trident SSBN. HE pursued a rearmament and modernization program which gave us the most formidable weapons systems in the world. Did Reagan compromise when HE refused Soviet demands to stop SDI research? When HE said, "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall." When HE called the Soviet Union "an empire of evil."
On the domestic front, learned leftist economists claimed that supply side economics and radical tax cuts would destroy the economy. Reagan did not compromise his plan, and we know how that turned out.

This is the wrong place to mischaracterize Ronaldus Magnus. Now, go forth and sin no more. You might also consider anti-koolaid therapy.

I dont drink cool aid, I prefer gin, thank you very much. Well, I dont know all the little intricate facts aqnd details of the Fall of the U.S.S.R, on several major details Ronald Reagan Compromised with Gorbechev. He couldnt always get his way, so he took what he could get! Why were you conservatives willing to compromise on Nixon, Jerry Ford and Bush Sr. but not John McCain? just hold your nose and vote for him and what will be a conservative running mate, hopefully.

Lets win one for the gipper!!!! Vote for the War Hero, John McCain!!!

GOPER is literally cutting and pasting the same text into his responses every time.  Go back and compare.  You shoot down his argument in one post and he pastes the same text in a response to me.  I shoot that down and he uses the same text in responding to you.  

He must be pulling this stuff off some web site that McCain has set up to "win over disaffected conservatives."  But, of course, he does this while blowing in and insulting us and calling us names.  "Hey, you idiot, right-wing morons.  John McCain is not nearly as bad as Rush says he is so turn on your brains and vote for him."  I mean, his best argument seems to be "you held your nose for Nixon, Ford and GHW Bush so you can do it again!"  And for some reason he just can't see the weakness in that approach.  

He said he was desperate to convince one person to vote for McCain.  If he using this approach on everyone he knows he will be desperate for a very long time.

GOPER,

I live in Missouri. Show Me. Let's see the data that proves McCain Feingold has cleaned up campaign finance. Give me a specific example of a Reagan compromise with Gorby.

You talk the talk. Let's see you walk the walk.

bedbug wrote:GOPER,

I live in Missouri. Show Me. Let's see the data that proves McCain Feingold has cleaned up campaign finance. Give me a specific example of a Reagan compromise with Gorby.

You talk the talk. Let's see you walk the walk.

Well, if you go to the McCain Campaign website there are all kinds of miterals on that! Im a little too busy just now to sort through it, but i asssure you the studies are there.

Ronald Reagan Compromised with Gorby on Weapons, boundries, borders.

GOPER wrote:
Ronald Reagan Compromised with Gorby on Weapons, boundries, borders.

Quote one source where Reagan did any of this?  ONE SOURCE!  ONE EXAMPLE.  McCain campaign literature is NOT acceptable as a source!  Neither is Obama campaign literature!

paleocon wrote:

GOPER wrote:
Ronald Reagan Compromised with Gorby on Weapons, boundries, borders.

Quote one source where Reagan did any of this? ONE SOURCE! ONE EXAMPLE. McCain campaign literature is NOT acceptable as a source! Neither is Obama campaign literature!

Ditto.

Ironic enough to repeat here.  

Obama declines public money for his presidential campaign.

John McCain and his campaign manager wet their pants.

Goper is not for McCain.
It’s not satire either. The style of thought pattern does not fit satire. The approach is to radical to gain any support and a totally disjointed reasoning process is evident in how it is so important for you to believe and change your mind but one is not willing to provide proper amount of time to such an important cause. Take a good look at all of the posts. A lot of posts are thrown together with half information, no sources, cut and paste from a clipboard.


Typical DNC tactics. Disrupt and confuse. Not to mention the writing has a lack of skill with words that most 8^th graders could spell better. So many mistakes are intentional mistakes or just plain bad writing. Ducking out of a topic to return later and then repeat more of the same is just a clear sign of deceit that is an old standby used by the left.  
Personal attacks are made against posters but then admonishes the poster for not being PC yourself is a test to see how much you know the subject and to see how much they can twist what you say to prove their own point. Right out of the manual. Goper has gone all out to point out everything that you could or would disagree with McCain’s views and the GOP. That is to me the biggest clue of all.

The object could be to take what you say about McCain and banter it around on other bloggs. Big deal. This may also be an attempt to turn people off on posting on this forum.
This forum is a place that good well thought out opinions are made known and are respected even if not agreed with. It is also to harden you, anger you. It produces a response so one can reassure their belief that Conservatism is so extreme that it is no longer valid.  

watcher wrote:Goper is not for McCain.

It’s not satire either. The style of thought pattern does not fit satire. The approach is to radical to gain any support and a totally disjointed reasoning process is evident in how it is so important for you to believe and change your mind but one is not willing to provide proper amount of time to such an important cause. Take a good look at all of the posts. A lot of posts are thrown together with half information, no sources, cut and paste from a clipboard.

Everything you said in your first paragraph is spot on.  I pointed out the repeated "cut and paste" of the same material a couple of days ago.  But, your last sentence describes at least several other posters on this board.  And I am not sure he is a troll but if he is for McCain he is certainly NOT helping McCain.  If McCain attracts any more supports like GOPER he will lose in a landslide.  

watcher wrote:Typical DNC tactics. Disrupt and confuse. Not to mention the writing has a lack of skill with words that most 8th graders could spell better. So many mistakes are intentional mistakes or just plain bad writing. Ducking out of a topic to return later and then repeat more of the same is just a clear sign of deceit that is an old standby used by the left.  

Well, again, your last two sentences describe more than a few people who post here.  The spelling, reason and logic demonstrated by a some people is "8th grade" although most clalm to have college degrees.  

watcher wrote:Personal attacks are made against posters but then admonishes the poster for not being PC yourself is a test to see how much you know the subject and to see how much they can twist what you say to prove their own point. Right out of the manual. Goper has gone all out to point out everything that you could or would disagree with McCain’s views and the GOP. That is to me the biggest clue of all.

This may be your strongest argument for a troll.  GOPER bounced in and started name calling in his first post.  But, he isn't twisting anything I say.  He just repeats the same half-witted arguments.  

watcher wrote:The object could be to take what you say about McCain and banter it around on other bloggs. Big deal. This may also be an attempt to turn people off on posting on this forum.

This forum is a place that good well thought out opinions are made known and are respected even if not agreed with. It is also to harden you, anger you. It produces a response so one can reassure their belief that Conservatism is so extreme that it is no longer valid.

Well, I don't care if they post my quotes on other forums.  I am against John McCain and have been for years.  If he wants to spread the message and my stuff helps that is okay with me.  And when people get too obnoxious I just put them on "ignore."  It won't turn me off from posting.  

I have not made up my mind on GOPER but your points cannot be lightly dismissed.

Well, frankly im satisfied with the results I have gotten

Reality:Took credit for "convincing" one marginal one time poster who said thathe would reluctantly support McCain "the Moke" in the fall in a postmore than two weeks before i joined The board.

How im going tospin it to my superiors: Completely convinced a major figure on theboard, who will bring at least 25 votes, proving that talk radio peoplecan be convinved.

Reality:Got smashed in multiple debates andleft the board in humiliation and disgrace. Most important poster onthe board said he thought I was in "grade school". Second biggestposter literally thought it was one big joke.

How im going tospin it to my superiors: Sucessfully and eloquently debated the twobiggest posters on the baard. They said they would seriously considervoting for McCain.

Reality: A lone man completely dismantled andout argued practically all of the official McCain talking points, someof which were actually written by McCain himself. Invoking JohnMcCain's distinguished war record had virtually no effect on thedebate, proving that it may not be particularly effective in winningover far-right voters.

How im going to spin it to my superiors:Sucessfully argued and got all talking points across with littletrouble. John McCain's war record was a major factor and easily wonover many of the posters on Rush Limbaugh Forum.

Reality:Overall impression of McCain probably went downhill becuase of mypresence here,and the use of official GOP and McCain talking points,having the opposite of intended effect. Some were quote "jaw dropped"by how "out of touch" Official McCain Campaign Talking points were.

Howim going to spin it to my superiors: Negative opinions of John McCaincompletely reversed. Only a few Right Wing hardliners are holding out.Most moving toward voting for McCain

Reality: Im going to leavefor about 4-6 weeks and pray you all just forget most of my badcomments and when I come back, you will be more open to voting forMcCain.

How im going to spin it to my superiors: Was completelyaccepted as a member of the community and will be allowed to stay andcontinue to win over disaffeced buckleyites.