The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby warpig on 09/25/08, 8:42 pm

These people made these loans and then "sold" the paper to other institutions who didn't look real hard at what they were buying. I think many of these type loans were buried in amongst other items bought and sold so all the risks weren't quite so visible. I got a home equity loan (fixed rate) and they way over valued my house and got their nice little 6-7000 bonus and gee...................3 months later sold the note.

I have no sympathy...............let the b%^&*('s burn.
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby Calypso Jones on 09/25/08, 9:13 pm

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Calypso Jones wrote:http://www.theabsurdreport.com/2008/financial-crisis-what-really-happened/

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MY Bottom Line – My financial buddies above described “The Root Causes” of this mega crisis in terms of the failure of capital markets as they should from their prospective but the real cause that lies behind the scenes is LIBERALISM.
This was one giant experiment in the liberals’ grand idea of SOCIAL ENGINEERING and it failed miserably. You can not defy the laws of gravity anymore than the laws of economics. You can’t make mortgage loans to people WHO DO NOT have the ability to make their payments.
Did I just say something that is politically incorrect or socially unacceptable? Let me repeat it for you liberal nut-jobs. You can’t make mortgage loans to people WHO DO NOT have the ability to make their payments.
The grand Social Engineering experiment was conceived in 1977 under the Carter Administration and was written into law by a Democratic Congress come to be known as the Community Reinvestment Act. The Act was implemented to correct an imbalanced amount of homeownership by white America as vs. under-privileged people and minorities.
The mortgage lending banking community was firmly against this law by under penalty of the law they complied.
Later on in 1995 at the behest of President Clinton with threats of criminal prosecution against lending institutions the Democratic Congress opened the floodgates to subprime loans disaster that we have today by rewriting the laws surrounding borrowers’ credit worthiness.
    • You don’t have a down payment … no problem,,, Congress says we a can write you a 100% loan
    • You credit rating is poor…no problem … Congress says it doesn’t matter
    • Verify your employment … what for? it’s not necessary


This insane type of risk-taking was concocted by the Democrats and defies all laws of “Common Sense” but then when using common sense in the same sentence with liberal Democrats it becomes more moron than oxy.


Hillarious.  Yeah right, its the communists, the liberals, the socialists.  Not greedy wallstreet that lobbied the hell out of a republican owned congress until they could create shady financial investments and leverage themselves to the hilt.


why don't you try some serious reading on this, jack.   As if it would matter.  Do you remember Dodd's problems with his cushy mortgage deal a few months ago.    Dodd, Schumer and Frank ought to be forced to testify rather than ask the questions.  Those that got rich were democrats.     Btw...i don't know if you know this but Wallstreet is basically left.   So at least we agree that they're greedy and the leveraged  themselves to the hilt.
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby seabee on 09/26/08, 6:31 pm

warpig wrote:These people made these loans and then "sold" the paper to other institutions who didn't look real hard at what they were buying. I think many of these type loans were buried in amongst other items bought and sold so all the risks weren't quite so visible. I got a home equity loan (fixed rate) and they way over valued my house and got their nice little 6-7000 bonus and gee...................3 months later sold the note.

I have no sympathy...............let the b%^&*('s burn.
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby seabee on 09/26/08, 6:32 pm

warpig wrote:These people made these loans and then "sold" the paper to other institutions who didn't look real hard at what they were buying. I think many of these type loans were buried in amongst other items bought and sold so all the risks weren't quite so visible. I got a home equity loan (fixed rate) and they way over valued my house and got their nice little 6-7000 bonus and gee...................3 months later sold the note.

I have no sympathy...............let the b%^&*('s burn.
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby theRat on 09/26/08, 11:56 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:Those that got rich were democrats.     Btw...i don't know if you know this but Wallstreet is basically left.   So at least we agree that they're greedy and the leveraged  themselves to the hilt.


Hilarious!  The "Democrats" got rich?  Wallstreet is basically left?  Now I know you are a joking.
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby ultracon on 09/27/08, 12:12 am

The democrats get a larger percentage of their money from 'large' donors than republicans.  Republicans get more small donations from the middle class.

Just think about the hollywood types, and George Soros type figures out there spending money on libs.

Here's an interesting article about libs on wall street.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/04/27/68942/index.htm
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby seabee on 09/27/08, 5:07 am

ultracon wrote:The democrats get a larger percentage of their money from 'large' donors than republicans. Republicans get more small donations from the middle class.

Just think about the hollywood types, and George Soros type figures out there spending money on libs.

Here's an interesting article about libs on wall street.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/04/27/68942/index.htm


i was trying to post this same link last night but having some sort of technical challenge that got the best of me. how quickly we forget how we got here.
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby theRat on 09/27/08, 5:03 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:why don't you try some serious reading on this, jack.   As if it would matter.  Do you remember Dodd's problems with his cushy mortgage deal a few months ago.    Dodd, Schumer and Frank ought to be forced to testify rather than ask the questions.  Those that got rich were democrats.     Btw...i don't know if you know this but Wallstreet is basically left.   So at least we agree that they're greedy and the leveraged  themselves to the hilt.


I don't think any rational person would argue that some democrats didn't get rich here - just as any rational person wouldn't argue that some republicans didn't get rich on this.  [In fact, I'd go further and say that the people that "got rich" off this crisis were less about "republicanism" or "democratism" and more about immoral greed. - but that's another topic].

I think the point here is that Republicans *tend* to want to de-regulate and Democrats *tend* to want to regulate.  Both forces are important to strike a balance with *good* regulation.  In this case, I believe that too much de-regulation occurred - and that funding of oversite committees during Bush's terms went way down.  This knocked regulations and enforcement out of balance.

If Democrats were ever completely in control, they might over-regulate causing businesses to fail (I say *might* here).  Whatever power dominates it's important to have a secondary power to keep it on its toes.  I believe this crisis was caused by the Republicans being in charge of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches for too long.
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby warpig on 09/27/08, 5:50 pm

Nothing wrong with de-regulation, but if you do, you live with what you create. In this case let the $%^& go bankrupt. No one will learn the tough lessons if there is always a way out. Then the next time some on sit down to E-trade they might think harder about what they are investing in and companies will have to do thing right to get investors and the money they need to do business.

The one's that win.................us the consumers. Better products and services and probably at a price that is affordable.

Think of what you could do in the real estate market if you had the cash right now. Talk about "no money down"..............................
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Re: The Financial Crisis. What really happened

Postby 3danimator on 09/27/08, 10:03 pm

I'm a liberal and reading this forum. Our financial crisis is a combination of major deregulation, minimal oversight and corporate greed. These guys knew it was coming and better yet knew the govt. would bail them out. They all spend millions lobbying to ensure that they're safe in case the s!!t hits the fan. It's a con job. We're all suckers. They're all for "privatize the profits and socialize the losses.". Hey, so if we bail them out...yet again, do "we the people" get a profit check?", if they recoup the losses. I think not.

I'm very impressed with the sentiment on this forum, that noone is innocent. I'm so pissed at both parties for their inaction during the bush admin. to push more regulation. The Bush admin. is ridiculously corrupt.....it's unbelievable to me how much money these guys have transfered from the public coffers to the private. I blame them all. They're all dirty and what we need is a "cleaning house" initiative.

The idea of representation is gone. We can argue all day long about who's fault it is and how we got here, but the real dilema is mis-representation by our elected officials. I've seen so many politicians on both sides address public outrage with a, "oh, i understand the public is angry, but it's too complicated for them to comprehend." BS! I just look at Nancy Pelosi and can see how dirty she is, conversly other politicians. Where is the TRUE representation. You might not agree with impeaching Bush, but there's a huge public movement to make that happen. And what does Pelosi say..."That's off the table." That's not representation....that's corruption.

I'm so angry right now....I want our country back.
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