the Yeti wrote:

paleocon wrote:
This kind of ignorant post shows you have absolutely no understanding of what is going on in Afghanistan or Iraq.  I suspect you don't even know how many unlawful combatants are now or were ever held at Gitmo.  The constitution give NO rights to unlawful combatants captured on the field of battle.  If you had any sense you would realize that.  

As for who should come and go, you seem too ready to throw people like me out of the country and open the doors to illegal immigrants and terrorists apprehended on the field of battle.  I suppose that makes sense in your mad little world.  However, the very people you want to protect would remove your empty head from your shoulders with a rusty spoon at the first opportunity.

Its just too bad that we are NOT talking about enemy combatants. we are talking about INNOCENT people held for YEARS without a trial to determine if they are indeed enemies of our country.  they were TURNED IN for american $$$ or in the streets of their OWN COMMUNITES which WE MADE A BATTLE GROUND !!  if you had any sense you would realize that !!

FEAR FEAR FEAR. Unlike YOU , i am not afraid of my gardener, dish washer, or maid and any terrorist that is in this country should be delt with.  However, those of you that prefer to crap on the founding document are not worthy of its protections.

Once again, you are wrong.  Hundreds have been released from American military custody over the last several years.  Again, tell me how many people were EVER interned at Gitmo?  How many are still there?  You obviously don't know so you spout nonsense.

When the Taliban helped Bin Laden and Al Qaeda fly 4 planes filled with civilians into the ground, they turned OUR country into a battleground.  Once again, you seem to fail to grasp the timeline.  Facts and reality seem to be tenuous to people like you.

I am not afraid of my gardener, dish washer or maid.  I do my own work.  Perhaps you were born with a silver foot in your mouth?  I was not.  

Funny how you want to grant constitutional "rights" to terrorists in Gitmo but would deny those same rights to me. That's not nonsense!  That is downright anti-American.

The Constitution was intended to protect the rights of American citizens; not enemies in time of war.

What evidence do you have that any or all of the Gitmo detainees were turned in for ransom?  We surely didn't place a bounty on the heads of each and every enemy combatant, or would-be enemy combatant.  If an individual DID have a bounty placed on his head, are you suggesting that it was done for no reason at all -- just random, like a lottery of sorts?  Are there individuals who had bounties placed on them, and, when they were turned-over to us, we did not verify their identity?  We simply took into custody any random person that someone else claimed was a terrorist?  AND, then paid out a bounty for the wrong person?

paleocon wrote:
Once again, you are wrong.  Hundreds have been released from American military custody over the last several years.  Again, tell me how many people were EVER interned at Gitmo?  How many are still there?  You obviously don't know so you spout nonsense.

What does innocent people being released have to with your point? It actually bolsters my point that there are innocents in Gitmo.  why does the number matter when the ones still there have not had a fair hearing?? why not just look it up, do i have to do all the research here??  I dont care how many are there or ever were there, i only care about the innocnet ones getting a fair trial. as SHOULD YOU ! being from the rule of law party and all.

palecon wrote:When the Taliban helped Bin Laden and Al Qaeda fly 4 planes filled with civilians into the ground, they turned OUR country into a battleground.  Once again, you seem to fail to grasp the timeline.  Facts and reality seem to be tenuous to people like you.

  Huh ??  ANd that has relevence to WHAT ?? the war in IRaq?? i dont get it.  Our country is a battlefeild ?? I guess you could call it a battle feild for ONE DAY in 2001.  a battle that WE LOST thanks to Bush and his incompetance. ignoring 40 + warnings.

paleocon wrote:I am not afraid of my gardener, dish washer or maid.  I do my own work.  Perhaps you were born with a silver foot in your mouth?  I was not.  

  then why play the FEAR card about illegals. are you really afraid that they will take your fry cook job at Mc D's ??  I also do my own work and am STILL not afraid of them.

paleocon wrote:Funny how you want to grant constitutional "rights" to terrorists in Gitmo but would deny those same rights to me. That's not nonsense!  That is downright anti-American.

  not to terrorists you dolt.  I want everyone, including YOU to have the same rights that our forefathers died for.  ALL MEN not just Americans should have the rights under OUR constitution. if they are determined to be terrorists, then let them have it with both barrels. if they are innocent, let them out.  is that so hard to comprehend?? I really dont get how that is a debatable issue??  the ANTI - americans are the ones who pick and choose WHO GETS RIGHTS UNDER OUR founding document that is supposedly what our military fights and dies for today.

Eyas wrote:The Constitution was intended to protect the rights of American citizens; not enemies in time of war.

I guess we are the ONLY ones who can benefit from the rights in the Constitution. Fair trials are only good for US. makes sense. LOL

Eyas wrote: What evidence do you have that any or all of the Gitmo detainees were turned in for ransom?  We surely didn't place a bounty on the heads of each and every enemy combatant, or would-be enemy combatant.  If an individual DID have a bounty placed on his head, are you suggesting that it was done for no reason at all -- just random, like a lottery of sorts?  Are there individuals who had bounties placed on them, and, when they were turned-over to us, we did not verify their identity?  We simply took into custody any random person that someone else claimed was a terrorist?  AND, then paid out a bounty for the wrong person?

Are you people allergic to Google or history?? here is just one source,  Time Magazine.  I thought it was common knowlege.  i guess not.  we picked up some on the battle field ( which is their neighborhoods of course) mistakenly and some were turned in by rival factions with a grudge, some by rival shop keepers, some by old family feuds. etc... for american $$$ It is really simple if you actually use your brain and THINK !!
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The Associated Press reported Tuesday that among the documents it received from its Guantanamo
FOIA
request are transcripts of interviews with detainees in which they allege they were [URL=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050531/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/guantanamo_prisoners_for_sale_1]sold to the
U.S.
for a bounty.[/URL] This is not new news. It's been reported before by several organizations,by TalkLeft in December, 2003 and May, 2004, and in Time Magazine.

According to Time, activities leading toward release of the 140 [Guantanamo] prisoners have accelerated since the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case. It said
U.S.
officials had concluded some detainees were kidnapped for reward money offered for al Qaeda and Taliban fighters. (our emphasis)

Nonetheless, Before Bush calls the latest AP claims "absurd," he needs to consider the statement of this former
CIA
officer, contained in Tuesday's AP article:

A former
CIA
intelligence officer who helped lead the search for Osama bin Laden told AP the accounts sounded legitimate because
U.S.
allies regularly got money to help catch Taliban and al-Qaida fighters. Gary Schroen said he took a suitcase of $3 million in cash into Afghanistan himself to help supply and win over warlords to fight for
U.S.
Special Forces.

Oh this slays me. Time Magazine is an objective source of news and historical perspective? I can't type anymore. Laughing too hard.

the Yeti wrote:

paleocon wrote:
Once again, you are wrong.  Hundreds have been released from American military custody over the last several years.  Again, tell me how many people were EVER interned at Gitmo?  How many are still there?  You obviously don't know so you spout nonsense.

What does innocent people being released have to with your point? It actually bolsters my point that there are innocents in Gitmo.  why does the number matter when the ones still there have not had a fair hearing?? why not just look it up, do i have to do all the research here??  I dont care how many are there or ever were there, i only care about the innocnet ones getting a fair trial. as SHOULD YOU ! being from the rule of law party and all.

palecon wrote:When the Taliban helped Bin Laden and Al Qaeda fly 4 planes filled with civilians into the ground, they turned OUR country into a battleground.  Once again, you seem to fail to grasp the timeline.  Facts and reality seem to be tenuous to people like you.

  Huh ??  ANd that has relevence to WHAT ?? the war in IRaq?? i dont get it.  Our country is a battlefeild ?? I guess you could call it a battle feild for ONE DAY in 2001.  a battle that WE LOST thanks to Bush and his incompetance. ignoring 40 + warnings.

paleocon wrote:I am not afraid of my gardener, dish washer or maid.  I do my own work.  Perhaps you were born with a silver foot in your mouth?  I was not.  

  then why play the FEAR card about illegals. are you really afraid that they will take your fry cook job at Mc D's ??  I also do my own work and am STILL not afraid of them.

paleocon wrote:Funny how you want to grant constitutional "rights" to terrorists in Gitmo but would deny those same rights to me. That's not nonsense!  That is downright anti-American.

  not to terrorists you dolt.  I want everyone, including YOU to have the same rights that our forefathers died for.  ALL MEN not just Americans should have the rights under OUR constitution. if they are determined to be terrorists, then let them have it with both barrels. if they are innocent, let them out.  is that so hard to comprehend?? I really dont get how that is a debatable issue??  the ANTI - americans are the ones who pick and choose WHO GETS RIGHTS UNDER OUR founding document that is supposedly what our military fights and dies for today.

This is unbelievable!  Constitutional rights given to enemies in time of war?  BDS?  Treating enemies in time of war as common criminals?

The TIME Magazine article cited by Yeti is colored by the same warped ideas -- surprise, surprise.  I feel dirty for even having read it.   My mistake for taking Yeti seriously.

Google, TIME and something called TalkLeft are the credible sources cited?  Even the Time article provides NO SUBSTANTIATION of the claims made by Yeti.  I'm not even going to try the TalkLeft link he provide for fear of going utterly and irrevocably mad.


Yeti,
The rights enumerated in the Constitution are inherent to every person in the world -- with respect to their relations with their own governments.  

The U.S. Constitution is simply a CONTRACT between the Government and the AMERICAN people which promises that the inherent rights of AMERICAN citizens will not be infringed by the AMERICAN government.

Nevertheless, where foreigners are arrested and tried for CRIMES in this country, they ARE guaranteed  Constitutionally protected rights.

IN TIME OF WAR, WITH ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES, the U.S. Constitution has NO APPLICATION.  We do not promise to not infringe upon ENEMIES' rights.  As a matter of fact, we do quite the opposite.  A WAR is a PROMISE TO infringe upon the enemies' rights.  Yes, we even sometimes deprive our enemies of LIFE WITHOUT Due Process.  How Evil and hypocritcal, right?

One day, Yeti, WAR -- with all of its ugliness and infringement of rights -- will come to YOU.  Your comprehension will come too late.

call it a prophecy.