SCOTUS today ruled in favor of illegals versus our constitution making them the rulers of the country. Their determination makes it peachy keen for illegals to stay in the country while they carry out efforts to stay. The Constitution states Congress will make immigration rules. Say Hail, SCOTUS, the new rulers of our socialist country.
Same 5 decided as decided the Constitutional Rights for Gitmo detainees.
SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
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SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by SoldiersMum on 06/16/08, 1:04 pm
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by Eyas on 06/16/08, 1:30 pm
I was just about to post this story. These clowns on the Supreme Court are totally out of control. They re-write the Constitution at their whim on a daily basis.
Something needs to be done. Unfortunately, no one with the ability to do anything about it has the guts to do anything.
The Court has made itself not only the final arbiter of interpreting US Law, but has now proclaimed itself this country's top LAW-MAKING, and LAW-ENFORCING body. They have assumed full control of the US Government.
Something needs to be done. Unfortunately, no one with the ability to do anything about it has the guts to do anything.
The Court has made itself not only the final arbiter of interpreting US Law, but has now proclaimed itself this country's top LAW-MAKING, and LAW-ENFORCING body. They have assumed full control of the US Government.
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by paleocon on 06/16/08, 2:20 pm
A conservative President would have informed the 5 court "mavericks" that they have no jurisdiction outside of US territory and that they don't have the right to make laws and simply ignored their idiotic, unconstitutional decisions. Bush demonstrates once again that he is not a conservative.
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by SoldiersMum on 06/16/08, 3:04 pm
Bush could scream and holler all he wanted to about their jurisdiction and their decision. He has no control over their decisions. The remedy to counter any of their decisions is for Congress to write another law to circumvent the decision by SCOTUS. Then, SCOTUS would just do the same thing all over again, decide against the law. With the Gitmo prisoner thing, they overruled themselves. How is it all of a sudden these 5 own SCOTUS? Is Kennedy on a power trip or what? He's the decider because it's 4 against 4 on everything with him making the decision to go with the socialists.
It could be possible for Congress to impeach Kennedy for not following our Constitution, but that would never happen with a Democrat Congress.
The next decision is going to be on the 2nd Amendment. Better make sure you own a gun now because when these 5 are done, the 2nd amend will be missing in action.
It could be possible for Congress to impeach Kennedy for not following our Constitution, but that would never happen with a Democrat Congress.
The next decision is going to be on the 2nd Amendment. Better make sure you own a gun now because when these 5 are done, the 2nd amend will be missing in action.
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by paleocon on 06/16/08, 3:41 pm
You miss the point. SCOTUS is pretending they have the power to make these decisions. They may deceive themselves about their authority over the constitution all they want. However, they have no power to enforce the unconstitutional decisions they make.
The President of the US is bound to protect and defend the constitution and that also includes protecting it against unconstitutional and unenforceable decisions by SCOTUS. Let the 5 members of SCOTUS try and enforce their idiotic, unconstitutional decisions. The only way SCOTUS can win is if Bush accepts the fallacy that they have to power to do what they claim they have the power to do.
A real conservative would call their bluff. Of course, Bush is not a real conservative.
The President of the US is bound to protect and defend the constitution and that also includes protecting it against unconstitutional and unenforceable decisions by SCOTUS. Let the 5 members of SCOTUS try and enforce their idiotic, unconstitutional decisions. The only way SCOTUS can win is if Bush accepts the fallacy that they have to power to do what they claim they have the power to do.
A real conservative would call their bluff. Of course, Bush is not a real conservative.
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by SoldiersMum on 06/16/08, 5:15 pm
Ok..so what you are saying is that Bush should call SCOTUS out for their decision because it is unconstitutional. So, say he does. What happens then? Absolutely nothing except that he's called them out. Congress makes the laws. The Prez can veto them. Congress can override their veto. None of them can counter a SCOTUS decision except that Congress can make a new law which will then again be subject to SCOTUS should someone sue.
I know Bush is not a conservative. This has been the most frustrating 7+ years because of it. Whether the fact that he's somewhere between conservative and liberal based on the subject at hand is the reason, whether he agrees with their immigration decision or whether he has no cajones, I do not know the answer. All I know is that we won't be hearing a peep outta our Prez, not on this decision or any other one SCOTUS makes.
Now, where is Juan in relation to this specific decision? He probably agrees with it. He did speak out on the Gitmo detainee decision, big surprise, but I'll bet he remains mum on this one.
I know Bush is not a conservative. This has been the most frustrating 7+ years because of it. Whether the fact that he's somewhere between conservative and liberal based on the subject at hand is the reason, whether he agrees with their immigration decision or whether he has no cajones, I do not know the answer. All I know is that we won't be hearing a peep outta our Prez, not on this decision or any other one SCOTUS makes.
Now, where is Juan in relation to this specific decision? He probably agrees with it. He did speak out on the Gitmo detainee decision, big surprise, but I'll bet he remains mum on this one.
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by paleocon on 06/16/08, 5:40 pm
SoldiersMum wrote:Ok..so what you are saying is that Bush should call SCOTUS out for their decision because it is unconstitutional. So, say he does. What happens then? Absolutely nothing except that he's called them out. Congress makes the laws. The Prez can veto them. Congress can override their veto. None of them can counter a SCOTUS decision except that Congress can make a new law which will then again be subject to SCOTUS should someone sue.
This is exactly my point. Bush should say that he is constitutionally bound to uphold and protect the constitution and that SCOTUS has issued an unconstitutional decision and he is therefore not bound by their decision. SCOTUS has no means to enforce an absurd, clearly unconstitutional ruling. Nowhere in the Constitution does the document give SCOTUS the power it is claiming. A conservative would remind them of that and tell them to get off their power trip.
What are they going to do? Wet their robes? Scream? Are they going to fly to Gitmo and hold court? This is about reining in a court that is out of control. A conservative would do it. Bush is not a conservative and he won't do it.
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by watcher on 06/17/08, 1:59 am
I have another take on these 5 renegade judges.
The rewrite of the constitution with giving Habeas Corpus to detainees, this immigration one and of course the next one is another run on our 2nd Amendment.
Do as much harm to the constitution now as they can, because they fear that Senator Obama is not going to be elected as the next President. They don’t know what McCain will do about making hay with the decisions but they cannot like the fact that he has stated what type of judges he admires. One more judge who interoperates the law as opposed to making the law puts the court back in balance.
It has already been mentioned that President Bush most likely won’t push the issue with Habeas Corpus. I agree. He doesn’t want to take away ‘oxygen’ from the election campaign as well as put focus on himself. It is basically a lay low attitude. Maybe he feels it would hurt the Republican Party? Cannot know what the man thinks. Being an optimist, he may be waiting until after the election to throw out the first punch. He knows these decisions are doing harm to our constitution. That is exactly what the Dem’s want and he has to know that too.
What is happening now is a great big group of real Americans, with talk radio, blogs', forums and the like have ousted the true agenda of advancing socialism aka communism. The worry is spreading out to the average person. The ones who don’t pay attention to politics are starting to ask question. I am hearing people who would normally not even bring politics up making comments. The DNC, by going after Senator Clinton using her own game plan and Senator Clinton fighting back got more attention than they really wanted. The bad kind of attention. You add the rise in gas prices to the mix, the publicity about earmarks, Senator Obama’s hope and change chanting and the obvious lack of response with the economy from the Morons on the hill means these things are getting noticed. Then there is the improvement on the ground in Iraq, which is just starting to be noticed. Troops are being rotated home and they are talking and some people are actually listening. A tactical mistake was made by the DNC. They attempted to make Iraq into another Viet Nam via surrogates such as Cindy Sheehan and the like as well as attempting to degrade the troops. This was basically thwarted by good honest American loving folks at home and the attitudes of the men and women in our military, but it got people riled up and on the lookout. The DNC had no choice but to play along with the "We support the troops but not the war" BS. It worked in our favor. You are a bad American if you don’t listen to the soldier when he tells you like it is. You are then left wondering what else haven’t they told me about.
The plan with the MMGW crap is starting to show signs of imploding on itself. American’s are standing up and screaming loud enough that the Morons on the hill are getting scared too. The Drill Here, Drill Now petition is getting attention. It doesn’t have to have millions of signatures to work. Just the fact that millions of voices are asking questions is enough. Bad attention works just as well as good attention. Our legislature branch is feeling the flames’ licking at the heals.
We just need to keep up the pressure. Actually we need to up the pressure and we need to add stopping the Carbon Credit BS to the list. The Morons are hoping to hold on to that so they can continue to suck up the money.
The courts with bad decisions, pending 2nd Amendment decision, the gas prices, economy what ifs, Iraq War improvements, Senator Obama’s mistakes, and now we add Al Gore coming back out of his hole to endorse Senator Obama it really what makes me wonder if they are attempting to make one last big push to the left. Gain what they can now. The gig may be over and they will have to fall back and regroup.
We still have to deal with attempting to get these outrageous rulings deemed unconstitutional. That is going to take a different kind of pressure. Constitutional Law is a tough issue. I think the judges may try for one more with the 2nd Amendment and I think it will be another tactical mistake. Talk about slamming into a brick wall in this country. If they attempt to distort the 2nd amendment anymore than it is the din across this country will be deafening. We have to make sure it is. Educate! Educate! Educate!
Senator Obama got it half right when he said “WE cling to our guns and religion”, not out of anger and antipathy but BECAUSE WE CAN.
The rewrite of the constitution with giving Habeas Corpus to detainees, this immigration one and of course the next one is another run on our 2nd Amendment.
Do as much harm to the constitution now as they can, because they fear that Senator Obama is not going to be elected as the next President. They don’t know what McCain will do about making hay with the decisions but they cannot like the fact that he has stated what type of judges he admires. One more judge who interoperates the law as opposed to making the law puts the court back in balance.
It has already been mentioned that President Bush most likely won’t push the issue with Habeas Corpus. I agree. He doesn’t want to take away ‘oxygen’ from the election campaign as well as put focus on himself. It is basically a lay low attitude. Maybe he feels it would hurt the Republican Party? Cannot know what the man thinks. Being an optimist, he may be waiting until after the election to throw out the first punch. He knows these decisions are doing harm to our constitution. That is exactly what the Dem’s want and he has to know that too.
What is happening now is a great big group of real Americans, with talk radio, blogs', forums and the like have ousted the true agenda of advancing socialism aka communism. The worry is spreading out to the average person. The ones who don’t pay attention to politics are starting to ask question. I am hearing people who would normally not even bring politics up making comments. The DNC, by going after Senator Clinton using her own game plan and Senator Clinton fighting back got more attention than they really wanted. The bad kind of attention. You add the rise in gas prices to the mix, the publicity about earmarks, Senator Obama’s hope and change chanting and the obvious lack of response with the economy from the Morons on the hill means these things are getting noticed. Then there is the improvement on the ground in Iraq, which is just starting to be noticed. Troops are being rotated home and they are talking and some people are actually listening. A tactical mistake was made by the DNC. They attempted to make Iraq into another Viet Nam via surrogates such as Cindy Sheehan and the like as well as attempting to degrade the troops. This was basically thwarted by good honest American loving folks at home and the attitudes of the men and women in our military, but it got people riled up and on the lookout. The DNC had no choice but to play along with the "We support the troops but not the war" BS. It worked in our favor. You are a bad American if you don’t listen to the soldier when he tells you like it is. You are then left wondering what else haven’t they told me about.
The plan with the MMGW crap is starting to show signs of imploding on itself. American’s are standing up and screaming loud enough that the Morons on the hill are getting scared too. The Drill Here, Drill Now petition is getting attention. It doesn’t have to have millions of signatures to work. Just the fact that millions of voices are asking questions is enough. Bad attention works just as well as good attention. Our legislature branch is feeling the flames’ licking at the heals.
We just need to keep up the pressure. Actually we need to up the pressure and we need to add stopping the Carbon Credit BS to the list. The Morons are hoping to hold on to that so they can continue to suck up the money.
The courts with bad decisions, pending 2nd Amendment decision, the gas prices, economy what ifs, Iraq War improvements, Senator Obama’s mistakes, and now we add Al Gore coming back out of his hole to endorse Senator Obama it really what makes me wonder if they are attempting to make one last big push to the left. Gain what they can now. The gig may be over and they will have to fall back and regroup.
We still have to deal with attempting to get these outrageous rulings deemed unconstitutional. That is going to take a different kind of pressure. Constitutional Law is a tough issue. I think the judges may try for one more with the 2nd Amendment and I think it will be another tactical mistake. Talk about slamming into a brick wall in this country. If they attempt to distort the 2nd amendment anymore than it is the din across this country will be deafening. We have to make sure it is. Educate! Educate! Educate!
Senator Obama got it half right when he said “WE cling to our guns and religion”, not out of anger and antipathy but BECAUSE WE CAN.
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by Eyas on 06/17/08, 7:36 am
The thing that truly bothers me about this decision, and the Boumediene (Git'mo) decision, is NOT that the Supreme Court has declared itself superior to the other 2 branches of government. It's NOT that the Supreme Court has declared itself a ruling oligarchy over this nation.
It's that 80% - 90% of the American public has NO CLUE that this just happened; let alone what it means.
It's that 80% - 90% of the American public has NO CLUE that this just happened; let alone what it means.
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Re: SCOTUS DECLARES THEY WILL DETERMINE IMMIGRATION POLICY
by SoldiersMum on 06/17/08, 11:13 am
Eyas wrote:The thing that truly bothers me about this decision, and the Boumediene (Git'mo) decision, is NOT that the Supreme Court has declared itself superior to the other 2 branches of government. It's NOT that the Supreme Court has declared itself a ruling oligarchy over this nation.
It's that 80% - 90% of the American public has NO CLUE that this just happened; let alone what it means.
Yes, and think about how many would know anything about anything if they get the Fairness Doctrine into law.
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