We can all cross our fingers that there will finally be some frog marching out of the white house after this. When treason is rewarded and incouraged by the commander in cheif and his VP, the country is certainly on the WRONG track in my book.

When Scott himself says that Bush was the one who de classified the document so Cheney and his brownshirts could out HER without prosecution, it put all the pieces together.  the reason no one was charged with the outing is that BUSH did it himself and that (by deffinintion thanks to Nixon) makes it de-classified. Oops, looks like Bush has stepped in it finally. McCain better start distancing himself from him in a HURRY or it will be too late.

More Bush Derangement Syndrome!  Plame was never "outted" as she was not a covert operative when a former member of the government disclosed that she worked for the CIA.  The facts are so obvious in this case that the utter fabrications constantly presented by liberal shills makes my stomach churn.  But, facts mean nothing to Marxists.

paleocon wrote:More Bush Derangement Syndrome!  Plame was never "outted" as she was not a covert operative when a former member of the government disclosed that she worked for the CIA.  The facts are so obvious in this case that the utter fabrications constantly presented by liberal shills makes my stomach churn.  But, facts mean nothing to Marxists.

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She was "not a covert operative" ?? Riddle me this Paleocon: If she was NOT a covert operative then :

1. Why did the CIA instigate an investigation on the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT ( they just forgot to ask what her job was or did they forget to look in her personel file?? LOL)
2. Why did the DOJ accept the case of the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT  (did they also just forget to ask her, her employer, or check her file??LOL)
3. Why did John Ashcroft recuse himself from the case of OUTING A COVERT CIA AGENT instead of just throwing it in the trash? (did he also just forget to ask ANYONE "what is her job description?" .
4. Why did the Justice department hire independant prosecutor and call a grand jury to look at the facts of OUTING A COVERT CIA OFFICER ( they must have also forgotten to ask that one simple question that would have stopped the investigation of OUTING A COVERT OFFICER in its TRACKS!! LOL)
5. why did PAT FITZ investigate the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT
6. why did Libby lie if she was NOT ad COVERT CIA AGENT

makes sense now that we now that Bush was the initial leaker. which makes all the lemmings innocent of leaking the name and thanks to Nixon, when the pres leaks classified info, it , by deffinition, becomes de-classified.  

What "facts" did i miss ??

Actually go back and look at the facts of the case.  Libby was not charged with outting a "covert" operative.  Nobody was.  But, facts don't matter to Marxists.

paleocon wrote:Actually go back and look at the facts of the case.  Libby was not charged with outting a "covert" operative.  Nobody was.  But, facts don't matter to Marxists.

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Why did you ignore my questions?? why did the CIA, the DOJ, John Ashcroft, Pat Fitz etc.. all not just ask what her job was? if it came back as paper pusher who fetched coffee, then contraversy OVER !!  Are you really saying that the CIA did NOT know what her job was ??

You do realize that Scott gave the explenation of why no one was charged. because during the invesitagtion into the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT, they found out the pres was the one who leaked the info. Which makes it de-classified. the only thing was that Libby lied like Larry Craig in a Minn Airport holding cell when they asked him about it.

Taguba wrote:When Scott himself says that Bush was the one who de classified the document so Cheney and his brownshirts could out HER without prosecution, it put all the pieces together.  the reason no one was charged with the outing is that BUSH did it himself and that (by deffinintion thanks to Nixon) makes it de-classified. Oops, looks like Bush has stepped in it finally. McCain better start distancing himself from him in a HURRY or it will be too late.

OK..let's start with this one.

First, it is the President's right and purview to declassify a document.  He declassified the portion of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that was classified.  He was requested to do this by the Democrats in Congress so he did it.  The NIE had nothing to do with Valerie Plame.  The NIE was a report on the progress being made in Iraq.  

Really, if you are going to come on here with your comments, and really, we welcome them,  you should get the truth..do a little diligence to read something where history has not been rewritten by your socialist Democrats.

Scott McClellan has gone over to the dark side.  His book is being published by a Leftist Publisher who helped him write it and guess who owns part of that Publisher?  George Soros.  

Scott McClellan is exactly the same as Wesley Clark and Arianna Huffington.  All three were Republicans and when they didn't get worshipped by the right were propagandized by the left with hugs, kisses and fake idolization.  They sold out, all three.  Wesley Clark stood in my living room at a party my husband and I were giving for their class at the National War College.  He said he was going to run for President one day as a Republican.  He messed up in NATO and got fired and the right threw him under the bus.  The left thinks he's wonderful.  Arianna tried to run for Governor of California the same time as Arnold ran.  The Republicans did not support her.  Scott McClellan got replaced because he was horrible at his job.  All three are malcontents and all three have been embraced by liberalism.  Their opinions mean nothing to me since they can be bought with a little adoration.  Can you say whore?

Taguba wrote:

paleocon wrote:More Bush Derangement Syndrome!  Plame was never "outted" as she was not a covert operative when a former member of the government disclosed that she worked for the CIA.  The facts are so obvious in this case that the utter fabrications constantly presented by liberal shills makes my stomach churn.  But, facts mean nothing to Marxists.

  WHAT   

She was "not a covert operative" ?? Riddle me this Paleocon: If she was NOT a covert operative then :

1. Why did the CIA instigate an investigation on the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT ( they just forgot to ask what her job was or did they forget to look in her personel file?? LOL)
2. Why did the DOJ accept the case of the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT  (did they also just forget to ask her, her employer, or check her file??LOL)
3. Why did John Ashcroft recuse himself from the case of OUTING A COVERT CIA AGENT instead of just throwing it in the trash? (did he also just forget to ask ANYONE "what is her job description?" .
4. Why did the Justice department hire independant prosecutor and call a grand jury to look at the facts of OUTING A COVERT CIA OFFICER ( they must have also forgotten to ask that one simple question that would have stopped the investigation of OUTING A COVERT OFFICER in its TRACKS!! LOL)
5. why did PAT FITZ investigate the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT
6. why did Libby lie if she was NOT ad COVERT CIA AGENT

makes sense now that we now that Bush was the initial leaker. which makes all the lemmings innocent of leaking the name and thanks to Nixon, when the pres leaks classified info, it , by deffinition, becomes de-classified.  

What "facts" did i miss ??

You missed the fact that Valerie Plame sat at a desk at CIA Headquarters at Langley AFB.  She was not covert and had not been for over 5 years, plus what Bush declassified was not anything to do with Valerie Plame.

The CIA is loaded with Clintonistas and that is why they made it look like they were investigating the "Outting of a Covert Agent."  Nothing ever came of their big investigation because Valerie Plame was not covert, she was a desk jockey.  They were trying to take down the Bush Administration.

The DOJ did not have a case in court on the Outting of a CIA Agent.  They had an investigation.  Pat Fitgerald was a Special Prosecutor who convened a Grand Jury not on the Outting of a CIA Agent but on the politics of the Bush Administraiton.  Yes, he investigated it because he was trying to bring down the Bush Administration.  However, he also knew that she was not Covert.  

John Ashcroft recused himself and then resigned because he had provided the President with a false white paper regarding intelligence on Saddam Hussein.

The Trial was based on charges of perjury by Scooter Libbey to the Grand Jury not related to the Outting of a CIA Agent.  Scotter Libbey testified numerous times and apparently said things that conflicted with other things he said in previous testimony.  

The person who threw Valeria Plame's name out in the open was Richard Armitage, not anyone in the Bush Administration that Fitzgerald was trying to take down and it did not matter because Valerie Plame was not covert.  If she had been covert, Richard Armitage would have been tried for releasing her name.

This entire fiasco was the left's attempt to bring down Bush and his Administration.  It was a travesty of justice because Fitzgerald knew pretty much from the get-go about Richard Armitage and he was trying to dig up something, anything to get Bush.  Scooter Libbey was the best they could do.  

Your premise that all of this was all because of the outting of a covert agent is wrong and your assumptions that she was indeed a covert agent who was wronged because she was outted is totally fallacious.  Not one single person was convicted of outting her because she was not covert.

In reality, it is Valerie Plame and her husband who should have been tried.  She set him up to go on a fact finding mission for the CIA to determine if Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake from Nigeria.  He never bothered to write a report on it and then he lied about it later.

You people on the left hate Bush so much and it really is pathetic since he's not a real conservative and he sides with the left more times than any of us would ever wish to see.  You really do need to seek therapy.

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Taguba wrote:

paleocon wrote:More Bush Derangement Syndrome!  Plame was never "outted" as she was not a covert operative when a former member of the government disclosed that she worked for the CIA.  The facts are so obvious in this case that the utter fabrications constantly presented by liberal shills makes my stomach churn.  But, facts mean nothing to Marxists.

  WHAT   

She was "not a covert operative" ?? Riddle me this Paleocon: If she was NOT a covert operative then :

1. Why did the CIA instigate an investigation on the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT ( they just forgot to ask what her job was or did they forget to look in her personel file?? LOL)
2. Why did the DOJ accept the case of the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT  (did they also just forget to ask her, her employer, or check her file??LOL)
3. Why did John Ashcroft recuse himself from the case of OUTING A COVERT CIA AGENT instead of just throwing it in the trash? (did he also just forget to ask ANYONE "what is her job description?" .
4. Why did the Justice department hire independant prosecutor and call a grand jury to look at the facts of OUTING A COVERT CIA OFFICER ( they must have also forgotten to ask that one simple question that would have stopped the investigation of OUTING A COVERT OFFICER in its TRACKS!! LOL)
5. why did PAT FITZ investigate the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT
6. why did Libby lie if she was NOT ad COVERT CIA AGENT

makes sense now that we now that Bush was the initial leaker. which makes all the lemmings innocent of leaking the name and thanks to Nixon, when the pres leaks classified info, it , by deffinition, becomes de-classified.  

What "facts" did i miss ??

You TheCIA, the DOJ, John Ashcroft, Pat Fitz etc... ALL missed the fact that Valerie Plame sat at a desk at CIA Headquarters at Langley AFB.  She was not covert ( according to the CIA, the DOJ, John Ashcroft, and Pat Fitz) and had not been for over 5 years, plus what Bush declassified was not anything to do with Valerie Plame.

The CIA is loaded with Clintonistas and that is why they made it look like they were investigating the "Outting of a Covert Agent."  Nothing ever came of their big investigation because Bush and Cheney are the ones who OUTED Valerie Plame was not covert, she was a desk jockey (not according to the people that worked with her and her superiors of course) .  They were trying to take down the Bush Administration.

The DOJ did not have a case in court on the Outting of a CIA Agent (Thanks to Nixon and his rule about the president and the leaking of classified info becomes non classified. a LOOPHOLE that the GOP admin loves to use) .  They had an investigation.  Pat Fitgerald was a Special Prosecutor who convened a Grand Jury not on the Outting of a CIA Agent but on the politics of the Bush Administraiton ( the politics of the Bush admin made that investigation moot since the loophole made it a non crime, JUST SLIMY TREASONOUS GOP politics as usual).  Yes, he investigated it because he was trying to  bring down the Bush Administration (Do what the CIA , DOJ, and John Ashcroft asked him to do. when he found out the Pres and VP were behind it, they did not have a case, however they DID have scooter lying and obstructing) .  However, he also knew that she was not Covert.   He said she was Covert many many times. as did the CIA and DOJ many many times. are you high on GOP kool-aide ??

John Ashcroft recused himself and then resigned because he had provided the President with a false white paper regarding intelligence on Saddam Hussein.

The Trial was based on charges of perjury by Scooter Libbey to the Grand Jury not related to the Outting of a CIA Agent.  Scotter Libbey testified numerous times and apparently said things that conflicted with other things he said in previous testimony.   Obstruction and lying to a FBI agent and Special PRosecutor and was CONVICTED !!

The person who threw Valeria Plame's name out in the open was Richard Armitage, (Karl Rove and Scooter Libby, Who ALL came directly from the VP office with their MARCHING ORDERS. just because Armitage got his phone call in first on the SAME DAY does not change the fact that they ALL came from Cheneys office and started the SMEAR and treason on the SAME DAY !!)not anyone in the Bush Administration (they were all from the Bush Admin. was Armitage not part of the Bush team?? I love the fact that you claim that he was just visiting from the Carter or Clinton team while taking part in the treason? dont hold water in my book or anyone that is sane for that matter) that Fitzgerald was trying to take down and it did not matter because Valerie Plame was not covert.  If she had been covert, Richard Armitage would have been tried for releasing her name. WRONG AGAIN !! if the Pres or VP outs her, thanks to Nixon it therefore becomes non classified. no crime. but in trying to figure that out, scooter lied like larry craig in a minn airport holding cell.

This entire fiasco was the left's CIA, the DOJ, John Ashcrofts attempt to bring down Bush and his Administration.  It was a travesty of justice because Fitzgerald knew pretty much from the get-go about Richard Armitage and he was trying to dig up something, anything to get Bush.  Scooter Libbey was the best they could do.   Once again, WRONG

Your premise that all of this was all because of the outting of a covert agent is wrong and your assumptions that she was indeed a covert agent who was wronged because she was outted is totally fallacious.  Not one single person was convicted of outting her because she was not covert.  Are you on drugs ??

In reality, it is Valerie Plame and her husband who should have been tried.  She set him up to go on a fact finding mission for the CIA to determine if Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake from Nigeria. Ah more lies of the right. Funny stuff He never bothered to write a report on it and then he lied about it later.  really ??LOL LOL

You people on the left hate Bush so much and it really is pathetic since he's not a real conservative and he sides with the left right wing kookalas more times than any of us would ever wish to see.  You really do need to seek therapy.

Now thats better.  why not answer my questions now, PLEASE !!

1. Why did the CIA instigate an investigation on the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT ( they just forgot to ask what her job was or did they forget to look in her personel file?? LOL)
2. Why did the DOJ accept the case of the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT  (did they also just forget to ask her, her employer, or check her file??LOL)
3. Why did John Ashcroft recuse himself from the case of OUTING A COVERT CIA AGENT instead of just throwing it in the trash? (did he also just forget to ask ANYONE "what is her job description?" .
4. Why did the Justice department hire independant prosecutor and call a grand jury to look at the facts of OUTING A COVERT CIA OFFICER ( they must have also forgotten to ask that one simple question that would have stopped the investigation of OUTING A COVERT OFFICER in its TRACKS!! LOL)
5. why did PAT FITZ investigate the OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT
6. why did Libby lie if she was NOT ad COVERT CIA AGENT