Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby Taguba on 05/30/08, 10:12 am

SoldiersMum wrote:
Taguba wrote:When Scott himself says that Bush was the one who de classified the document so Cheney and his brownshirts could out HER without prosecution, it put all the pieces together.  the reason no one was charged with the outing is that BUSH did it himself and that (by deffinintion thanks to Nixon) makes it de-classified. Oops, looks like Bush has stepped in it finally. McCain better start distancing himself from him in a HURRY or it will be too late.


OK..let's start with this one.

First, it is the President's right and purview to declassify a document.  He declassified the portion of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that was classified.  He was requested to do this by the Democrats in Congress so he did it.  The NIE had nothing to do with Valerie Plame.  The NIE was a report on the progress being made in Iraq.  

Really, if you are going to come on here with your comments, and really, we welcome them,  you should get the truth..do a little diligence to read something where history has not been rewritten by your socialist Democrats. FASCIST GOP TRAITORS



Oops, sounds like the CAT'S out of the GOP bag of poo.

McClellan: But the other defining moment was in early April 2006, when I learned that the President had secretly declassified the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq for the Vice President and Scooter Libby to anonymously disclose to reporters. And we had been out there talking about how seriously the President took the selective leaking of classified information. And here we were, learning that the President had authorized the very same thing we had criticized.

Viera: Did you talk to the President and say why are you doing this?

McClellan: Actually, I did. I talked about the conversation we had. I walked onto Air Force One, it was right after an event we had, it was down in the south, I believe it was North Carolina. And I walk onto Air Force One and a reporter had yelled a question to the President trying to ask him a question about this revelation that had come out during the legal proceedings. The revelation was that it was the President who had authorized, or, enable Scooter Libby to go out there and talk about this information. And I told the President that that's what the reporter was asking. He was saying that you, yourself, was the one that authorized the leaking of this information. And he said "yeah, I did." And I was kinda taken aback.


"Now, for the most part, this is not new," emptywheel writes. "We have known (since I first reported it here) that Scooter Libby testified that, after Libby told Dick Cheney he couldn't leak the information Cheney had ordered him to leak to Judy Miller because it was classified, Cheney told Libby he had gotten the President to authorize the declassification of that information."
She continues, "Thus far, though, we only had Dick Cheney's word that he had actually asked Bush to declassify this information. We didn't have Bush's confirmation that he had actually declassified the information. In fact, we've had Dick Cheney's claims that he--Dick--had insta-declassified via his super secret pixie dust declassification powers.
"But now we've got George Bush, confirming that he, the President of the United States, authorized the leaks of 'this information,'"
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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby SoldiersMum on 05/30/08, 10:41 am

Taguba wrote:
SoldiersMum wrote:
Taguba wrote:When Scott himself says that Bush was the one who de classified the document so Cheney and his brownshirts could out HER without prosecution, it put all the pieces together.  the reason no one was charged with the outing is that BUSH did it himself and that (by deffinintion thanks to Nixon) makes it de-classified. Oops, looks like Bush has stepped in it finally. McCain better start distancing himself from him in a HURRY or it will be too late.


OK..let's start with this one.

First, it is the President's right and purview to declassify a document.  He declassified the portion of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that was classified.  He was requested to do this by the Democrats in Congress so he did it.  The NIE had nothing to do with Valerie Plame.  The NIE was a report on the progress being made in Iraq.  

Really, if you are going to come on here with your comments, and really, we welcome them,  you should get the truth..do a little diligence to read something where history has not been rewritten by your socialist Democrats. FASCIST GOP TRAITORS



Oops, sounds like the CAT'S out of the GOP bag of poo.

McClellan: But the other defining moment was in early April 2006, when I learned that the President had secretly declassified the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq for the Vice President and Scooter Libby to anonymously disclose to reporters. And we had been out there talking about how seriously the President took the selective leaking of classified information. And here we were, learning that the President had authorized the very same thing we had criticized.

Viera: Did you talk to the President and say why are you doing this?

McClellan: Actually, I did. I talked about the conversation we had. I walked onto Air Force One, it was right after an event we had, it was down in the south, I believe it was North Carolina. And I walk onto Air Force One and a reporter had yelled a question to the President trying to ask him a question about this revelation that had come out during the legal proceedings. The revelation was that it was the President who had authorized, or, enable Scooter Libby to go out there and talk about this information. And I told the President that that's what the reporter was asking. He was saying that you, yourself, was the one that authorized the leaking of this information. And he said "yeah, I did." And I was kinda taken aback.



"Now, for the most part, this is not new," emptywheel writes. "We have known (since I first reported it here) that Scooter Libby testified that, after Libby told Dick Cheney he couldn't leak the information Cheney had ordered him to leak to Judy Miller because it was classified, Cheney told Libby he had gotten the President to authorize the declassification of that information."
She continues, "Thus far, though, we only had Dick Cheney's word that he had actually asked Bush to declassify this information. We didn't have Bush's confirmation that he had actually declassified the information. In fact, we've had Dick Cheney's claims that he--Dick--had insta-declassified via his super secret pixie dust declassification powers.
"But now we've got George Bush, confirming that he, the President of the United States, authorized the leaks of 'this information,'"


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First, Facists are the socialist democrats, not the GOP, although the GOP is headed in that direction too as they are taken over as the Democrat Party has been.  

Second, and I'll say this one more time.  It is well within the purview of any President to declassify material.  He declassified the classified portion of the NIE which was about Iraq, not Valerie Plame.  You cannot leak something that has been declassified.  It is a document that has been declassified.  

Apparently, truth means nothing to you.

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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby SoldiersMum on 05/30/08, 10:57 am

Yes, he has gone to the dark side, except he likes Capitalism.  That's partly why he wrote this book...for the $$$$$$$$$.  The other parts are that he got fired and is getting even and he has been hugged and kissed by the left and they helped him write this book.


McClellan not sure about McCain, intrigued by Obama

Scott McClellan, making the media rounds to promote his book and push back against the ferocious counter-attack by Bush loyalists, declined to come out tonight for John McCain and said he liked what he had heard from Barack Obama.

"I haven't made a decision," McClellan told Katie Couric on CBS's "Evening News," when asked if he was backing the Arizona senator.   McClellan paid homage to McCain, saying that the Republican nominee had "governed from the center, and that's where I am."

But without prompting, he said he was "intrigued by Sen. Obama's message."

"It's a message that is very similar to the one that Gov. Bush ran on in 2000," McClellan said.

He offered similar comments about Obama on ABC's "World News Tonight."  

In his book, the former Bush spokesman describes his upbringing in a house where his mother was the moderate Democrat mayor of Austin (Carole Keeton Strayhorn later became a Republican before running as an independent for governor in 2006).   McClellan recounts how, when he first came to work for Bush in 1999, he admired the governor's willingness to work across party lines in the Texas capitol.
McClellan is the third high-profile member of Bush's original Texas circle to express interest, if not support, for Obama.   Matthew Dowd and Mark McKinnon, both top-level advisers in Bush's 2000 and 2004 runs and former Democrats, have also praised the likely Democratic nominee.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/McClellan_not_sure_about_McCain_intrigued_by_Obama.html

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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby Taguba on 06/02/08, 9:29 am

It sure is hard to post responses when the Mod keeps deleting my posts. i guess that is the ONLY way you can win a debate and falsly claim that the Dems run away after 5 days.
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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby Eyas on 06/21/08, 11:57 am

McCain will appoint Armitage to his Cabinet.

From Michelle Malkin:


So where’s the coverage of Armitage?
June 21, 2008

Mary Katharine Ham wonders when, amidst the thorough coverage of Scott McClellan’s chronic bouts of weaseldom, the media might deign to remind us that it was a fellow named Richard Armitage who originally leaked Valerie Plame’s name to the press.

Here’s what she found:

Google News Search for the following, when sorted according to date:
“scott mcclellan” + “bush” = 110 news results in the last 24 hours
“scott mcclellan” + “cheney” = 86 news results in the last 24 hours
“scott mcclellan” + “libby” = 80 news results in the last 24 hours
“scott mcclellan” + “rove” = 41 news results in the last 24 hours
“scott mcclellan” + “armitage” = 4 news results in the last 24 hours

So the answer to her question is pretty much “don’t hold your breath, wingnuts”.
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Well, I’ve got another question. When will conservatives start to remember that Armitage is good buddies with John McCain and a top adviser to his campaign?

This isn’t even a matter of policy. It’s a matter of character.

Armitage, the squishy “realist” who leaked classified information to the press, the guy who stood by silently while Bush took hits and a special prosecutor was called and Joe Wilson mugged for the cameras, even though Armitage had started this whole mess—Armitage is still working, and advising the Republican nominee.

And not just advising the campaign: he’s likely to get a cabinet post in a McCain administration.

…speculation is shifting to which Cabinet members may stick around for the next administration.
Much of the chatter has focused on Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates. But a longtime McCain ally said even if the Arizona senator decides to keep Gates on for a few months, it would only be as a placeholder for another Bush administration veteran: fellow Navy and Vietnam veteran Richard L. Armitage.

Armitage, who served as deputy secretary of State under Colin Powell in the first Bush term, is close to McCain. But his appointment might stir controversy among neoconservatives, who distrust Armitage on the war.

It might also stir controversy among people who think you keep your big mouth shut when you’re a Deputy Secretary–and who think that if your little heart-to-heart with Robert Novak blows up into a national scandal that puts other people’s careers and lives on the line and compromises the administration’s effectiveness in defending the country, then maybe you ought to step up and be a man and take responsibility for it instead of letting Karl Rove take all the heat for you.

Or is this just me? Does anyone else find Armitage’s behavior dishonorable?
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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby paleocon on 06/21/08, 1:23 pm

About the only political figure McClellan has a chance of ever working for again will be Richard Armitage when he is appointed to a McCain cabinet position.  Won't that be ironic!  

Scotty will be stabbed in the back by his new-found Marxist friends in short order.  I hope he can milk that book money for a long time.  Look for him behind the counter at a McDonald's drive-in Window.  

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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby SoldiersMum on 06/21/08, 3:36 pm

I don't know..Comrade Gyorgy Soros is part owner of his publishing company.  They will use him throughout this campaign as long as they can get him to say what they want him to say.  So, maybe Moveon has a place for him licking stamps or something.

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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby watcher on 06/21/08, 6:49 pm

Ok. This whole Plame CIA outing stuff is nonsense.  

Order of events:
-Plame's husband Wilson goes to Africa as a Diplomat.
-Wilson writes an article for the NY Times with incorrect information in it Bush and his unjust war.
-Attempt by the Leftist to discredit Bush and Administration.
-Attempt by the Leftist fails.
-Wilson is admonished for using incorrect information.
-Novak writes “Mission to Niger” which include the connection of Wilson to Plame, a ‘operative’ for the CIA. *Armitage gave information to Novak that was disclosed in Novak’s writings.
-Plame’s husband Wilson cries foul to the Attorney General John Ashcroft. Wilson states that his wife Plame was a covert operative for the CIA and someone in Bush’s Administration ‘outed’ her.
-Attempt by the Leftist to discredit Bush and Administration.
-AG’s office refers request to the Department of Justice and ask for an investigation.
-The DOJ then has to investigate or they are derelict in duty. Enter Fitzgerald Office of Special Council
-DOJ No Crime. No misconduct. No ‘outing’ happened. DOJ spent 2.5 Million of taxpayer money.
-Case closed.
-Attempt by the Leftist again fails
-DOJ and congressional committee find Libby’s statements inconsistent.
-DOJ now starts a criminal case
-Enter a crime. The only crime found
-DOJ charged Libby for obstruction of justice and perjury. His statements did not exactly match each other from one session of questions compared to other sessions of questions.
-Attempt by the Leftist to make Libby Bushes scapegoat to discredit Bush and Administration
-Attempt by the Leftist fails
Wilson and Plame now file a civil suit against Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Richard Armitage (Wilson v. Cheney)
-Attempt by the Leftist to discredit Bush and Administration
-Case of Wilson v. Cheney dismissed on grounds of jurisdictional grounds.
-Attempt by the Leftist fails
-Case appealed by Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington on behalf of Wilson and Plame.
-Attempt by the Leftist to discredit Bush and Administration
-McCLellan comes out with a book (published by one of George Soros companies) to discredit everyone that was cleared in all of the above.
-Another attempt by the Leftist to discredit Bush and Administration.

*Richard Armitage refers to Plame as Mrs. Wilson and claims he was not aware that Mrs. Plame was Mrs. Wilson. That he has never seen a covert operatives name listed in any classified memos and he did not use the word operative to Novak which Novak has concurred as true. Plame had never worked outside the US so she could not have been a Covert Operative. [Armitage would have been charged for a crime if he had.] The CIA is not allowed to operate within the country.

Now here is what this is all about.
It is already apparent the McClellan’s book is not working. He is testifying about what he wrote in a book that he him self admits was ‘tweaked’ by the publisher. What part did he write and what part had parts ‘tweaked’ by the publisher?

And now this is another attempt by the Leftist to discredit Bush and Administration.

Bush just turned over what he wanted. So he is still hiding how he new the War was unjust.

This is based on what?
Just this;
That the Department of Justice Special Council had difficulty making any determination of a crime due to the fact that the information that was cited as being part of the crime was classified.  
President Bush then de-classifies the portion of the classified information that they are referring to allow DOJ Special Council Fitzgerald to see it and then the DOJ determines that no crime as been committed.
Now they are attempting to claim that Bush only de-classified this information just so they could make a determination in the case.

Wow, Bush did what was needed so this ‘outing’ claim could be settled and now they are have tantrums because Bush did exactly what they asked Bush to do the first place.

How typical! This is what you get with Leftist
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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby FatAddict on 06/21/08, 10:42 pm

Its comical really.

Despite the FACT that the CIA has stated that Plame was in fact covert, the myth that Plame was not covert just keeps getting bandied about by these armchair pseudo patriotic head nodders drooling on their AM radio dials.

But anyway, this business of Plame, Iranian nukes, and nuclear proliferation cannot be logically discussed without bringing Sibel Edmonds into the mix......

http://www.justacitizen.com/

http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/horton.php?articleid=13002

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/06/the_most_danger/#comments
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Re: Scott McClellan's Sour Grapes

Postby watcher on 06/22/08, 1:53 pm

Blah, Blah, Blah, Study, Study, Study, Bonk, Bonk on the Head.

Opinions with no facts to back them up are just plain opinions.

You said:
Fact that CIA has said the Plame was covert.
What FACT. You have not shown anything to back up your statement.

That puts you in the position to back it up.
Your four websites listed as sources do not meet standard source criteria. They are opinions of other individuals.  

The more important question is if she was covert when was she covert?

As far as Sibel Edmonds v. FBI that case has been dismissed from the courts. The whys and hows of her claims has less merrit now that she has resorted to making it into a dog and poney show.

As a side note:
Edmonds various claims against the FBI may be a direct result and a prime example of the ‘the wall’ between FBI and the criminal division of the Department of Justice that was put in place by Bill Clinton’s Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick and Janet Reno going back to 1994 which had been expanded based upon rules that had been put in place back in Jimmy Carter’s term in 1978.
What about the Wall by Andrew C. McCarthy April 13, 2004 National Review Online.
www.nationalreview.com/comment/mccarthy200404130845.asp

US Department of Justice Report From the Field The Us Patriot Act at Work
epic.org/privacy/terrorism/usapatriot/doj_report.pdf


For your information:
Bloggs are not sources.
Websites made up of comments from Blogger’s are not sources.
Websites that post interviews of people making claims of facts that were not in a position to have access to those facts do not make them legitimate sources. It is just Hearsay.

When you can cite a source that has a recognized legitimate journalism with credentials and that person writing has used standard means of research (not just repeating what has been stated as an opinion) and has the proper documentation to back up his/her findings than feel free to use them on this forum.
An official government document that has the facts and statements of credible personnel who would have been in the position to know the correct facts would also be acceptable.

Otherwise these comments are nothing more than opinions.
Official Statements from politicians that are making comments on a subject is in fact just another form of an opinion

Opinions are fine; everyone has a right to make one.

You need to clearly state that you are making your own opinion and/or echoing another individual persons ‘opinions’ on a subject with the properly attached link to view the opinion you are repeating.

Using the word FACT does not make it so.
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