"If we could go back in time, we shouldnt have invaded Iraq"

Well, it looks like HARVARD ELITIST O'REILLY is willing to THROW OUR TROOPS under the BUS in order to get RATINGS. If you wont even support OUR BRAVE TROOPS you are NOT a CONSERVATIVE. O'REILLY abandoned CONSERVATISM and USED LIBERAL SOCIALIST KEITH OLBERMANN'S ideas to GET RATINGS.

This summer he actually URGED congerss to SURRENDER TO THE TERRORISTS and RETREAT out of IRAQ. This CLOWN is not a CONSERVATIVE.

I stopped listening to O'Reilly when he came down on the SwiftBoat people.  O'Reilly lives in his own personal spin zone and it is a RINO zone.

O'Reilly makes a valid point here and there. But, in general, I agree. He is, and has been, playing politics. He has run to the center in search of ratings. He is not going to jeopardize his #1 prime time cable news program crown, for something as "trivial" as intellectual honesty.
Off subject, O'Reilly is vain, he's human, but I get a kick out of watching him squirm whenever a guest points out that Rush is #1 on talk radio. And, I believe that O'Reilly knows that Rush would be #1 on cable news if he had a program there.

Bill O'Reilly is not a Conservative.  He's an "independent."  And he positions himself in such a way that makes both sides, liberal and conservative, as petty, and that he's "above it all."  

He has conservative views, but that doesn't make him Conservative.  John McCain may have some conservative views, but that also doesn't make him a Conservative.  O'Reilly is not politically principled.  He's trying to gather more and more ratings, and to do that he's got to act..."Political."  He's got to attract both Liberals and Conservatives.  He's got the highest rated news show on cable.  

I don't believe his position makes him wise.  I believe his position makes him a bit cowardly, that principles don't mean anything if they do not gather ratings.  

You have to remember that The O'Reilly Factor is a News Commentary show, and it's all based on the host.  It's his show, just as Rush Limbaugh's show belongs to Limbaugh.

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Weaponsystem wrote:Bill O'Reilly is not a Conservative.  He's an "independent."  And he positions himself in such a way that makes both sides, liberal and conservative, as petty, and that he's "above it all."  

He has conservative views, but that doesn't make him Conservative.  John McCain may have some conservative views, but that also doesn't make him a Conservative.  O'Reilly is not politically principled.  He's trying to gather more and more ratings, and to do that he's got to act..."Political."  He's got to attract both Liberals and Conservatives.  He's got the highest rated news show on cable.  

I don't believe his position makes him wise.  I believe his position makes him a bit cowardly, that principles don't mean anything if they do not gather ratings.  

You have to remember that The O'Reilly Factor is a News Commentary show, and it's all based on the host.  It's his show, just as Rush Limbaugh's show belongs to Limbaugh.

I was pointing out that HE WAS A CONSERVATIVE, but CONVIENTLY THREW US UNDER THE BUS in 2000 to GET RATINGS. i think it will FAIL in the LONG RUN. on the other hand LIMBAUGH and HANNITY GROW in the ratings, while O'REILLY stays the same.

O'Reilly is a COMPLETE FAILURE on talk RADIO. I remember he once said to LAURA INGRHAM "White men, LIKE ME dominate TALK RADIO" and she ALMOST LAUGHED. She easily QUADRUPLES O'REILLYS numbers. LIMBAUGH BEATS HIM by a factor OF TEN on a GOOD DAY.

Hold on, Layla.  Bill never said he was a conservative.  He has said he holds many views that are conservative.  He's for a strong defense.  He wants to win the war on Terror.  He's for strengthening the border.  He's against illegal immigration and sanctuary cities.  He likes tough laws against crime, especially against children.  

But you have to remember that he's trying to appeal to both sides.  I contend that in so doing he implies that both sides have valid ideas.  As a conservative who believes in Freedom, I disagree with that implication.  

If you read his books, he outlines where he's liberal on.  He's against the death penalty, preferring incarceration and labor camps in places like Alaska to death row.  He's for some sort of safety net.  He's for government expenditure for alternative energy sources and he wants us to cut back 10% on our driving in order to stick it to the oil company's profits.  He hasn't really spoken out on gay marriage, at least to my knowledge.  

I give O'Reilly a lot of credit for putting a lot of different viewpoints on the Factor.  I don't think you'd ever see the likes of Bernie Goldberg on CNN, or Laura Ingraham on Bill Maher.  Though I think it's a bit wrong to invite proven charlatans and liars like Lanny Davis and Juan Hernandez on the show, I don't think he agrees with these fools and he puts them up to show how ridiculous they are.  

The notion that O'Reilly "threw conservatives under the bus in 2000" is a bit ludicrous.  That would presuppose that he was conservative in the first place.  As I said, it would be a different matter if he were a principled conservative and then let greed get to him, but then again, he's not a politician.  So what if he will throw us under the bus for ratings.  He throws liberals under lots of buses on a daily basis.

Weaponsystem wrote:But you have to remember that he's trying to appeal to both sides. I contend that in so doing he implies that both sides have valid ideas. As a conservative who believes in Freedom, I disagree with that implication.

I don't think he's saying that the dems have valid ideas. LOL they hardly have ANY ideas, let alone good 1s!

I think he's demonstrating, however, that in order to win the "popular" vote, you have to learn to appeal to morons.

Weaponsystem wrote:Hold on, Layla.  Bill never said he was a conservative.  He has said he holds many views that are conservative.  He's for a strong defense.  He wants to win the war on Terror.  He's for strengthening the border.  He's against illegal immigration and sanctuary cities.  He likes tough laws against crime, especially against children.  

But you have to remember that he's trying to appeal to both sides.  I contend that in so doing he implies that both sides have valid ideas.  As a conservative who believes in Freedom, I disagree with that implication.  

If you read his books, he outlines where he's liberal on.  He's against the death penalty, preferring incarceration and labor camps in places like Alaska to death row.  He's for some sort of safety net.  He's for government expenditure for alternative energy sources and he wants us to cut back 10% on our driving in order to stick it to the oil company's profits.  He hasn't really spoken out on gay marriage, at least to my knowledge.  

I give O'Reilly a lot of credit for putting a lot of different viewpoints on the Factor.  I don't think you'd ever see the likes of Bernie Goldberg on CNN, or Laura Ingraham on Bill Maher.  Though I think it's a bit wrong to invite proven charlatans and liars like Lanny Davis and Juan Hernandez on the show, I don't think he agrees with these fools and he puts them up to show how ridiculous they are.  

The notion that O'Reilly "threw conservatives under the bus in 2000" is a bit ludicrous.  That would presuppose that he was conservative in the first place.  As I said, it would be a different matter if he were a principled conservative and then let greed get to him, but then again, he's not a politician.  So what if he will throw us under the bus for ratings.  He throws liberals under lots of buses on a daily basis.

The DOCUMENTATION is clear. O'REILLY threw CONSEVATISM UNDER THE BUS and he SWITChED HIS PARTY AFILIATION to "INDEPENDANT" in 2000. His ratings went  UP after that. He is a PANDERER for RATINGS. "SAFTEY NET!!!!!" a SAFTEY NET for MURDERERS? NEVERMIND, he isnt a moderate, hes a LIBERAL.

"stick it to the oil companies profits"

SLAMMING a CAPITALIST SYSTEM will get BIG RATINGS. Well, it looks like O'REILLY SLAMMED CONSERVATISM, and is now creeping to DANGEROUS SOCIALISM. there is a MARKET, and oil has a PRICE. RADICAL SOCIALISTS WANT TO TAX SUCESS AND REWARD FAILURE.

O'Reilly is a putz.

He could very well be the dumbest man in America.

I stopped watching him when I realized that I often agreed with his conclusions, but even HE didn't understand how he had arrived at his "own" conclusions.  

I believe that his skull is an empty shell in which various unconnected sound-bites bounce randomly around (like the ping pong balls in a lottery drawing) until one pops out which may or may not make any sense at the moment.