From Wikipedia
The Kurdistan Workers Party (Kurdish:
Partiya Karkerên Kurdistan
or PKK, Turkish:
Kürdistan İşçi Partisi
,also called KADEK, Kongra-Gel, and KCK) is an armed militant groupfounded in the 1970s and led, until his capture in 1999, by Abdullah Öcalan.[4] The PKK's ideology was founded on revolutionary Marxism-Leninism and Kurdish nationalism. The PKK's goal has been to create an independent socialist Kurdish state in a territory which it claims as Kurdistan, an area that comprises parts of south-eastern Turkey, north-eastern Iraq, north-eastern Syria and north-western Iran; those states oppose any such change.[5][6] It is an ethnic secessionist organization that uses force and the threat of force against both civilian[7] and military targets for the purpose of achieving its political goal.
The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by a number of states and organizations, including the USA, NATO and the EU.[1][3] More than 37,000 people have been killed in the Turkey-PKK conflict since 1984. [8]
PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
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PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
by TheIndependent on 10/17/07, 1:11 pm
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Re: PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
by Eyas on 10/17/07, 4:36 pm
Point well-taken. I know that Turkey has been fighting the Kurds for some time, and, all other things being equal, I would likely side with Turkey (although, it's more likely I simply wouldn't care one way or another).
I made a big deal of the condemnation of Turkey only because all other things are not equal. If our troops were not in Iraq, and if peace in Iraq were not crucial to our own national security, I could care less about the conflict between the Turks and Kurds.
The point I was trying to make was simply that there is a very fragile balance in Iraq, slowly moving (too slowly for my taste) toward victory and peace. My issue is not with the Turkish/Kurdish strife, but with the danger posed to U.S. national security interest, and the danger posed to our troops by alienating an ally that was "iffy" at best, and who allows us to move supplies, materiel, water, fuel, etc. through their country.
Furthermore, an outbreak of war within Iraqi borders between Kurds and Turks can only put our troops in further jeopardy - risking life and limb.
I'm no expert in foreign policy, and even I could see the damage that this would cause to our efforts in the region and the increasing difficulty and danger it will cause U.S. troops. Do you think Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats in the House Foreign Affairs Committee were unaware of the likelihood of these problems?
They were counting on it. To suggest that there is suddenly some pressing need to acknowledge an atrocity from an entire century ago, and that this was not a ploy by the Democrats to INTENTIONALLY create havoc and make the War more difficult and dangerous, would require naivete to the point of retardation.
I made a big deal of the condemnation of Turkey only because all other things are not equal. If our troops were not in Iraq, and if peace in Iraq were not crucial to our own national security, I could care less about the conflict between the Turks and Kurds.
The point I was trying to make was simply that there is a very fragile balance in Iraq, slowly moving (too slowly for my taste) toward victory and peace. My issue is not with the Turkish/Kurdish strife, but with the danger posed to U.S. national security interest, and the danger posed to our troops by alienating an ally that was "iffy" at best, and who allows us to move supplies, materiel, water, fuel, etc. through their country.
Furthermore, an outbreak of war within Iraqi borders between Kurds and Turks can only put our troops in further jeopardy - risking life and limb.
I'm no expert in foreign policy, and even I could see the damage that this would cause to our efforts in the region and the increasing difficulty and danger it will cause U.S. troops. Do you think Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats in the House Foreign Affairs Committee were unaware of the likelihood of these problems?
They were counting on it. To suggest that there is suddenly some pressing need to acknowledge an atrocity from an entire century ago, and that this was not a ploy by the Democrats to INTENTIONALLY create havoc and make the War more difficult and dangerous, would require naivete to the point of retardation.
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Re: PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
by TheIndependent on 10/17/07, 10:40 pm
No doubt Syria and Iran are behind the PKK and pushing them to start a conflict with the Turks. Maybe Dennis Kucinich can go talk to his buddy Assad and tell him to stay out of the Kurds business ...
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Re: PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
by Eyas on 10/18/07, 5:18 am
TheIndependent wrote:No doubt Syria and Iran are behind the PKK and pushing them to start a conflict with the Turks. Maybe Dennis Kucinich can go talk to his buddy Assad and tell him to stay out of the Kurds business ...
Exactly!
Kucinich & Pelosi & John Kerry & Chris Dodd & the despicable RINO Arlen Specter. They've all been to visit their buddy Assad.
Speaking of which, it always troubled me that the "Axis of Evil" described by Pres. Bush did not include Syria.
Syria has been for decades one of the greatest State sponsors of terrorism. Moreso even than Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Why is there so little coverage among the reliable media (i.e., Rush & other radio hosts) of the WMD programs of Syria? The Israelis didn't just bomb Syria for sh!ts & giggles -- they know that Syria is the enemy of Israel equivalent to both Iran & the Palestinians. They knew that Syria had WMD (including nuclear) programs intended for use against Israel & the West. Why no coverage of Syria's evil nature and their pursuit of WMDs? Syria is every bit as dangerous to world peace as Iran, and probably more of a threat than N. Korea --- Where's the reporting of this from Right or Left? Where's the statements against Syria by Pres. Bush or Condy Rice? What does Syria have on us that prevents reporting their evil nature and intent?
In short, What About Syria? Why no rhetoric against them? Why no action against them? Why no news of their villainous intent?
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Re: PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
by TheIndependent on 10/19/07, 1:27 am
Syria, Iran, same difference.
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Re: PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
by SoldiersMum on 10/19/07, 7:25 pm
Eyas wrote:TheIndependent wrote:No doubt Syria and Iran are behind the PKK and pushing them to start a conflict with the Turks. Maybe Dennis Kucinich can go talk to his buddy Assad and tell him to stay out of the Kurds business ...
Exactly!
Kucinich & Pelosi & John Kerry & Chris Dodd & the despicable RINO Arlen Specter. They've all been to visit their buddy Assad. (AND they should all have been prosecuted using the LOGAN ACT.)
Speaking of which, it always troubled me that the "Axis of Evil" described by Pres. Bush did not include Syria. (That's a good question and can only be answered by saying that Iran controls what they do so Iran is the major evil. I have no idea why Syria isn't mentioned but you can be sure they are included even if they are not mentioned.)
Syria has been for decades one of the greatest State sponsors of terrorism. Moreso even than Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Why is there so little coverage among the reliable media (i.e., Rush & other radio hosts) of the WMD programs of Syria? (Especially when Saddam's WMDs went to the MacKaw Valley.) The Israelis didn't just bomb Syria for sh!ts & giggles -- they know that Syria is the enemy of Israel equivalent to both Iran & the Palestinians. They knew that Syria had WMD (including nuclear) programs intended for use against Israel & the West. (and they had intelligence on Syria's dealings with North Korea to provide them with nuclear weapons which was the reason for the most recent bombing.) Why no coverage of Syria's evil nature and their pursuit of WMDs? Syria is every bit as dangerous to world peace as Iran, and probably more of a threat than N. Korea --- Where's the reporting of this from Right or Left? Where's the statements against Syria by Pres. Bush or Condy Rice? What does Syria have on us that prevents reporting their evil nature and intent?
In short, What About Syria? Why no rhetoric against them? Why no action against them? Why no news of their villainous intent? (I'd say it's because Iran pulls their strings and they march to their band. I can't think of any other reason based on them killing the Lebanese leader and sponsoring Hamas and us not doing anything. Maybe there's some reason secret reason we don't know about but they aren't spoken of with support and/or affection by the Bush Admin.)
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Re: PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
by Eyas on 10/23/07, 4:22 pm
Well, since Syria is primarily Sunni & Iran is Shiite, I'm not sure that they dance solely to Iran's tune; but clearly the two are united in their actions against Israel & the West.
I know that Bush & Co. don't speak highly of Syria, but I would expect a little more vehement condemnation for a nation which I believe is every bit as dangerous to us as Iran, and which is certainly more of a danger to Israel - if only because they share a border. It just seems disingenuous to have such heated rhetoric about Iran & their seeking nuclear arms, when it's clear that Syria has the same intent (to bomb Israel) and was apparently much closer to becoming a nuclear power. What does Syria have on us that the Bush Admin. doesn't clearly and loudly lump them in with Iran?
Also, you make a great point about Saddam's WMD going to Syria. It drives me nuts to hear even Republicans & Conservatives concede the point that Iraq had no WMD's. It's just not true. Saddam DID have WMD and it's preposterous to believe otherwise.
On that topic, I like to make the following analogy: Imagine you're a cop & you confront a known criminal who you see is holding a gun. You tell the crook to put his gun down, but instead he puts it behind his back. You again tell him to drop his gun, and he says, "I don't have a gun". You say, I know you have a gun behind your back and the criminal - hand still behind his back - says, "No, I don't have a gun". The criminal passes his gun - behind his back - to his buddy, another criminal, but now you're not sure who has the gun. He's still got his hand behind his back, and he keeps saying, "I don't have a gun". You warn him again to drop the gun and to take his hand from behind his back, but he doesn't comply. He's a violent criminal that you absolutely know was holding a gun, you think he may still have the gun behind his back, he refuses to remove his hand from behind his back to prove that he's unarmed, you're a cop --- what happens next?
I don't expect Leftists to admit the logic of this, but it bugs the heck out of me when I hear otherwise sane people concede that Iraq had no WMD. This is something that should never be conceded to the Anti-war Left.
I know that Bush & Co. don't speak highly of Syria, but I would expect a little more vehement condemnation for a nation which I believe is every bit as dangerous to us as Iran, and which is certainly more of a danger to Israel - if only because they share a border. It just seems disingenuous to have such heated rhetoric about Iran & their seeking nuclear arms, when it's clear that Syria has the same intent (to bomb Israel) and was apparently much closer to becoming a nuclear power. What does Syria have on us that the Bush Admin. doesn't clearly and loudly lump them in with Iran?
Also, you make a great point about Saddam's WMD going to Syria. It drives me nuts to hear even Republicans & Conservatives concede the point that Iraq had no WMD's. It's just not true. Saddam DID have WMD and it's preposterous to believe otherwise.
On that topic, I like to make the following analogy: Imagine you're a cop & you confront a known criminal who you see is holding a gun. You tell the crook to put his gun down, but instead he puts it behind his back. You again tell him to drop his gun, and he says, "I don't have a gun". You say, I know you have a gun behind your back and the criminal - hand still behind his back - says, "No, I don't have a gun". The criminal passes his gun - behind his back - to his buddy, another criminal, but now you're not sure who has the gun. He's still got his hand behind his back, and he keeps saying, "I don't have a gun". You warn him again to drop the gun and to take his hand from behind his back, but he doesn't comply. He's a violent criminal that you absolutely know was holding a gun, you think he may still have the gun behind his back, he refuses to remove his hand from behind his back to prove that he's unarmed, you're a cop --- what happens next?
I don't expect Leftists to admit the logic of this, but it bugs the heck out of me when I hear otherwise sane people concede that Iraq had no WMD. This is something that should never be conceded to the Anti-war Left.
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Re: PKK is a Marxist Group of IslamoNazis
by TheIndependent on 10/27/07, 6:10 pm
Eyas wrote:Well, since Syria is primarily Sunni & Iran is Shiite, I'm not sure that they dance solely to Iran's tune; but clearly the two are united in their actions against Israel & the West.
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Ideologically they are identical and we are The Great Satan in both of their eyes, so why wouldn't they cooperate on a a few issues?
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