GOPER wrote:Your arrogance is unbelivable sometimes. So the fact that I have moderate views makes me a liberal "invader"?

No, your LIBERAL views make you a liberal.  I am sure that Joe Stalin thought Leon Trotsky was a "moderate."  It all stems from your perspective....  Many of us have said you are either a troll or the most clueless Republican in the nation.  You cannot seriously believe your arguments will ever convince anyone to vote for John McCain?  

GOPER wrote:I chose the Nixon Picture to emphasize the point that you Buckleyites are one part of our party.

Well, this only further demonstrates the point above.  You are clueless.  That is like choosing a picture of Kim Jong Il to demonstrate we are all humans.  

GOPER wrote:There is a moderate portion of our party. We need to unite America a bipartisan future. You Buckleyites are a valued part of our party, but you are a THIRD of our party. The Republican Party is One third Very Conservative. One third Evangelical Christian. One third Moderate Conservative. And you are not offended by the  "conservative" label that I have called you. You call yourselves "conservative" all the time on this site. This will be a close election and while we will win most conservatives, if only a small margin of you dont compromise some of your views it could cost us this race.

Where to start on a virtually incomprehensible paragraph, filled with factual errors.  Your second sentence isn't a sentence.  It is a mantra you seem to chant over and over again.  It is a fragment and makes no sense.  Either correct the thought (if you can) or stop mumbling or chanting sentence fragments.  

Please stop telling me "conservatives are a valued part of the party" and then insulting us in the same sentence.  Really, that is just bizarre.  You forgot about the 1/3rd Liberal Rockefeller Republicans.  Oh, I know that would make 4/3rds but I don't expect that to bother you.  Your other definition of "thirds" doesn't make any sense either.

Your continued demand that we MUST accept your arguments and vote for McCain BECAUSE we disagree with him continues to perplex me.  I MUST do nothing I do not want to do.  I MUST do nothing that violates my principles.  I would be more inclined to consider voting for McCain if he ever compromised some of his LIBERAL, anti-American positions and pretended to be conservative on at least a few things.  You see, compromise can actually work both ways!

GOPER wrote:If I have appered angry or "condesending" in any of my posts, it is because I am frankly getting desprate. I have been here for a week and I have not convinced anyone to vote for John McCain, or made any headway. I assumed I would be here for 2 days and have you all convinced.

You have not appeared angry or condescending.  You have been angry and condescending and insulting and arrogant and illogical and repetitive.  I don't care if you are desperate.  Frankly, you should be desperate because you are asking people to do something that makes no sense.  That should cause you some distress.  

GOPER wrote:Before any guessing and speculation gets out of hand, all I am going to say is that I am more involved than I have let on before. I am not affiliated directly with the McCain Campaign(I doubt they would be able to get vacation in the middle of the campaign). I will say nothing further of my involvement with the Republican Party or John McCain or the McCain Campaign. And, no, I am not John McCain.

So you frankly admit you are lying to us and then ask us to "trust" you.  Again, you seem to fail to understand the concept of "trust."  If you admit you are lying to us we have more reasons, not less, to distrust you.  Think about that for a while.  

GOPER wrote:And Paleocon, you dont always have to be standing on a moral tower of honesty and justice.

You are right.  I don't HAVE to choose the high road but I do prefer the view from up here.  And I prefer to try and stick to my principles.  It is one of those "trust" things again.  I would like people to know that if I say something I mean it.  Evidently, you just don't get "the trust thing."  

GOPER wrote:Another reason i like Nixon is that he did what he had to do to get the job done. You sound like a very naive Harvard grad. The fact is, if John McCain wants any campaign funds, he will support most of the things you are concerned with. It is unethical, but that is not relevant. That is the way it works. Even with "change" candidate Barack Obama. That these structures are in place to make it nearly impossiable for "mavericks" like McCain to suceed, and to not have candidates like him that alienate our base.

Again, you make a very illogical argument.  You admit that McCain will say anything to anyone to get campaign funds.  Telling me to expect McCain to lie to me just to get my money is NOT A GOOD WAY TO CONVINCE ME TO VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN.  If I have to explain this to you then you really have no business outside the playground sandbox without adult supervision.  

GOPER wrote:The fact that he has made it this far can be attributed to his war hero story. Just vote for our nominee. No other Republican could appeal to Liberals like McCain could, and no other Republican could possibly could win this November.
As we get closer to the election, memories of The Amnesty Issue, and the McCain Feingold Bill will fade and you will support John McCain. I will make no further posts here during my vacation. Untill then. And I mean it this time, I am out of your hair for a while.

I am not a liberal. I am an old time republican, a moderate republican. Like Nixon, Ford and Bush Sr. And I dont appreciate being called a Liberal after 17 years of loyal work with the GOP, thank you.

Once again, you make an illogical and non-sequitur statement.  Lots of non-war heroes have made it "this far."  I am NOT going to vote for YOUR nominee.  He isn't MY nominee.  He isn't MY candidate.  He is yours.  

It is the fact that "no other Republican could appeal to Liberals like McCain could" that bother me.  He appeals to Liberals because he IS one.  I don't support liberals any longer.  I am tired of being lied to.  

“Clueless” does not begin to describe your arguments.

Every time i hear John McBush speak i move closer to buying a Bob Barr T-shirt and actually wearing it. what a dullard McBush has become. what is going to happen when he is up on the stage next to Obama ?? I am going to need some Meth.

the Yeti wrote:Every time i hear John McBush speak i move closer to buying a Bob Barr T-shirt and actually wearing it. what a dullard McBush has become. what is going to happen when he is up on the stage next to Obama ?? I am going to need some Meth.

You're not going to find much McLame support here.  In most issues he's worse than Bush - and we aren't exactly enamored with Bush.

Yesterday, I heard from several sources that Romney is going to be McLame's VEEP nominee.  I also heard HRC will be Obama's.  It is all over the beltway.  That doesn't always make it true..haha..but just passing it along for the latest rumor that looks like it might have some legs.

SoldiersMum wrote:Yesterday, I heard from several sources that Romney is going to be McLame's VEEP nominee.  I also heard HRC will be Obama's.  It is all over the beltway.  That doesn't always make it true..haha..but just passing it along for the latest rumor that looks like it might have some legs.

I'm going with Romeny  and Webb.  Hillary will galvanize too many against the "change" ticket.

the Yeti wrote:Every time i hear John McBush speak i move closer to buying a Bob Barr T-shirt and actually wearing it. what a dullard McBush has become. what is going to happen when he is up on the stage next to Obama ?? I am going to need some Meth.

John McCain and his campaign have done just about everything wrong up to this point.  This is the problem with "moderates."  They don't believe anything so it is hard to get people passionate about "nothing."  

The GOP continues to insist on nominating awful candidates.  They have some success when they convincingly lie to conservatives and claim their man is a "conservative" but I think they have overplayed that option and conservatives like me aren't buying it any longer.  John McCain appears to be set to reap the whirlwind sown by the Bush family.  

George HW Bush was bad.  George W Bush is worse.  John McCain will be awful.  But Bob Barr is no more acceptable to a true conservative.  Look into the man and the party platform and you will realize quickly.   The sad truth is that conservatives have no conservative option this year again.

SoldiersMum wrote:Yesterday, I heard from several sources that Romney is going to be McLame's VEEP nominee.  I also heard HRC will be Obama's.  It is all over the beltway.  That doesn't always make it true..haha..but just passing it along for the latest rumor that looks like it might have some legs.

I have trouble believing McCain would select Romney as his VEEP.  McCain despises Romney.  I am not sure how Romney feels about McCain but I can't imagine he is fond of him.  

I also have trouble believing that Obama would select Clinton.  They really do hate each other and Obama has to know that the nation doesn't want 4 or 8 or 16 more years of the Clintons.  

Stranger things have happened but I think Obama/Clinton strikes me as less likely than McCain/Romney.

paleocon wrote:

the Yeti wrote:Every time i hear John McBush speak i move closer to buying a Bob Barr T-shirt and actually wearing it. what a dullard McBush has become. what is going to happen when he is up on the stage next to Obama ?? I am going to need some Meth.

George HW Bush was bad.  George W Bush is worse.  John McCain will be awful.  But Bob Barr is no more acceptable to a true conservative.  Look into the man and the party platform and you will realize quickly.   The sad truth is that conservatives have no conservative option this year again.

So true, yet a vote for Barr would send a message that the true conservatives are not going to vote for Obama and dont like the path the new Cons are going. Next election they may see the light.  Of course the Dems in complete control for 4 years may force some to see the light.

The only thing I can say that seems to be clear about McCain is that he is without a doubt Pro-American.  The Obama Doctrine and the Communist DNC certainly is not.  Then when you compare everything else there are a few other things that McCain is better on but not enough to jump up and down about.  At least with McCain if things go to h**L in a handbag the military would stand behind him.  I know that sounds so fatalistic but considering what is going on with all this ‘we can’t hurt the feelings of the radical Muslim extremist” and the open backdoor that is letting more and more socialism in I rather have a guy who would point a gun at the enemy as opposed to inviting them in for tea.  
If the country doesn’t go belly up in 4 years maybe there would be time to find a candidate that could really put this nation back on a clear path to what our constitution had in mind. At some point Americans will have to wake up and see what is happening.
I think a big problem with McCain right now is that the GOP is advising him and that’s why is appears so weak and wispy. He just needs to tell them to go take a hike and be John McCain. At least that way everyone could see what he is and what he is not and make up their mind accordingly. The GOP is so out of touch. They have messed up every thing that have gotten their hands on in the last 10 years and the sad thing is they don’t even seem to realize it.  
At this point, unless McCain takes some bold steps and starts to stand up and open his mount about what his plan and how it is different than Obama’s I don’t think it much matters who his Vice President is.

I'm not trying to beat you over the head but you make a couple of imprecise statements that I feel I have to clarify.  

watcher wrote:The only thing I can say that seems to be clear about McCain is that he is without a doubt Pro-American.  The Obama Doctrine and the Communist DNC certainly is not.  

Just how "pro-American" is John McCain?  In what regards is he "pro-American?"  Certainly, in terms of national security policy and waging the war against terror in Iraq and Afghanistan you are correct.  John McCain is much more rational and his goals are aligned with the long-term security interests of the nation.  

Once you get outside of that narrow point he becomes much less "pro-American" in terms of the original intent that the founding fathers held when it came to government.  And you don't have to go very far to see McCain strays very quickly from that "original intent."  How far from "original intent" can you stray and still be "pro-American?"  

watcher wrote:I think a big problem with McCain right now is that the GOP is advising him and that’s why is appears so weak and wispy. He just needs to tell them to go take a hike and be John McCain. At least that way everyone could see what he is and what he is not and make up their mind accordingly. The GOP is so out of touch. They have messed up every thing that have gotten their hands on in the last 10 years and the sad thing is they don’t even seem to realize it.  

I disagree with this.  John McCain is at the center of the problem when it comes to the GOP abandoning conservative principles.  He is by no means alone though.  Dozens of Senators and Congressmen have strayed from true conservative principles.  I believe that John McCain has strayed more than average.  McCain can't tell them to "take a hike" because he is "them" in this case.  I am afraid we are seeing McCain's inability to "make up his mind" and that that inability is largely responsible for the awful state of his campaign.  He is, in large part, part of the reason that the GOP is so out of touch.  He has led the effort to mess up everything they have done in the last 8 to 10 years.  He is not affected by the GOP's RINO drift.  He is in large part responsible for the GOP's RINO drift.  This aimless, passionless, drifting candidate is the very definition of a RINO and this is the real John McCain.  

He no longer has Dems to reach out to and he has no conservatives to oppose.  Frankly, he now has no idea what to do.  He is drifting aimlessly when he should be out staking out positions and defining himself and his opponent because he is far too much like his opponent in far too many ways to launch an attack.