Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

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Postby watcher on 06/21/08, 7:28 pm

He is really saying that
“He inferred that he may use Public Funds but he really only just deferred his choice of using Public Funds. He only inferred to the Public Funds before because it had been made clear that to defer the use of Public Funds was a choice which he then chose.  He has now chosen to not choose the inference.
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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby paleocon on 06/21/08, 8:01 pm

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Arlington, Virginia
20 June 2008

Today, Barack Obama announced that he was distancing himself from his campaign’s decision to reject public campaign finance for the 2008 General Election.  

Obama said, “I am shocked and appalled by the behavior I have seen by these people who I have appointed but who don’t actually work for me, in a paid kind of way.  I am appointing a committee, composed of people who likewise are volunteers and do not actually work for me to vet those who vet those who make decisions regarding things that are pretty darn important to me.  This is not the Obama campaign I knew.”  

Subsequently, Barack Obama announced that he was distancing himself from public financing.  

Obama said, “I am shocked and appalled by the behavior I have seen public campaign finance laws over the past 30 years.  While I was never personally present to witness this shocking and appalling behavior I must now distance myself from this type of behavior.  This is not the public campaign finance law I knew.”  

Obama further stated that this is the kind of behavior he expected from the McCain campaign since they are bitter Americans clinging to their guns, religion and checkbooks.  
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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby paleocon on 06/22/08, 10:29 pm

watcher wrote:He is really saying that
“He inferred that he may use Public Funds but he really only just deferred his choice of using Public Funds. He only inferred to the Public Funds before because it had been made clear that to defer the use of Public Funds was a choice which he then chose.  He has now chosen to not choose the inference.


I guess it is all John McCain's fault.  I mean he has raised nearly 90 million dollars during the elections so far.  Barack must have realized those big-spending conservative Republicans would fill McCain's coffers with virtually unlimited funds and that a poor boy from Chicago would have no chance to match the funds that McCain will ultimately rake in.  



Russ Feingold must be laughing his butt off....
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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby SoldiersMum on 06/23/08, 12:10 am

Yes, Obama hoped that he could change politics by hoping McCain would choose matching funds so now he hopes that by throwing the blame on McCain for the vicious Republican 527s, he can change the way he carries out his change and thereby hopes the suckers will just accept the fact that his change to not taking public funds will bring about that hope that he will be elected and thereby change everything and fulfill the changes dreamed about by the sheep who worship his every hope and change mantra.  Any questions?

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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby bedbug on 06/23/08, 12:23 am

How long will it be before we see a speech by BHO distancing himself from himself?

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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby watcher on 06/23/08, 2:16 am

That's not the Obama that I knew . I'm shocked and apalled at what I said yesterday. That was the Obama of the past and I hope that I am can change.
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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby paleocon on 06/25/08, 2:26 pm

For all those advocates of "compromise" take note.  John McCain "compromised" the fundamental principles of freedom of speech to win the approval of Democrats when he co-sponsored McCain-Feingold.  McCain "won" and passed a law that was clearly unconstitutional.  

Several years pass and Democrats choose to ignore the voluntary "compromise" they sought years earlier.   This is the very nature of compromising with Democrats.  They are all for compromise when it suits their purposes and when it creates absolutely no negative impact on them.  The minute the voluntary compromise limits them in any conceivable way they abandon the compromise they demanded earlier and clueless Republicans are left holding the bag.  

I could not hope to list all the examples of this over the past 16 years.  One of the earliest examples was George H. W. Bush making the compromise with Dems when he broke his "no new taxes" pledge and got suckered into raising taxes.  That was instrumental in his defeat in 1992.  When will the GOP ever learn?

This is the nature of compromising with pathological liars aka "Democrats."
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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby GOPER on 06/25/08, 9:14 pm

paleocon wrote:For all those advocates of "compromise" take note.  John McCain "compromised" the fundamental principles of freedom of speech to win the approval of Democrats when he co-sponsored McCain-Feingold.  McCain "won" and passed a law that was clearly unconstitutional.  

Several years pass and Democrats choose to ignore the voluntary "compromise" they sought years earlier.   This is the very nature of compromising with Democrats.  They are all for compromise when it suits their purposes and when it creates absolutely no negative impact on them.  The minute the voluntary compromise limits them in any conceivable way they abandon the compromise they demanded earlier and clueless Republicans are left holding the bag.  

I could not hope to list all the examples of this over the past 16 years.  One of the earliest examples was George H. W. Bush making the compromise with Dems when he broke his "no new taxes" pledge and got suckered into raising taxes.  That was instrumental in his defeat in 1992.  When will the GOP ever learn?

This is the nature of compromising with pathological liars aka "Democrats."


I dont have time to write out an individual response, but i made this point as well as I could last night:
"When I come back in about 4 weeks, and as we get closer to the election, you Buckleyites will calm down and Rush will support the Republican. The rheotoric will cool off and you will all be easier to convince. Untill then these Non-P.C posts are divisive and could hurt our Voting Margins. When you are supporting John McCain in 6 weeks you will regret these posts.

Nixon once said "we cant win without the conservatives, but we cant win with just the conservatives."
Im getting into dangerous waters here, but I am going to be very frank. Do you  buckleyites really think John McCain has any choice on these issues you are all worked up about? McCain will do what the NRA tells him to do. McCain will do what The Anti Death Lobby tells him to do. McCain will do what the Anti-Immigration Lobby tells him to do, He has no choice. If he wants any campaign money he will do it, regardless of what he may or may not "want". Just calm down, everything will work out, and vote for our nominee. You dont have to worry about John McCain being a "traitor".  But you have to understand, you have to compromise some of your views  to win!!!!!   ITS ABOUT WINNING!!!  CANT YOU SEE?

You give the libs their little 20% and you get 80%! You give a few little compromises here and there, and then you win!

You will all calm down and get it soon, and you will be easier to convince. Untill then."

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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby paleocon on 06/25/08, 9:33 pm

GOPER wrote:I dont have time to write out an individual response, but i made this point as well as I could last night:
"When I come back in about 4 weeks, and as we get closer to the election, you Buckleyites will calm down and Rush will support the Republican. The rheotoric will cool off and you will all be easier to convince. Untill then these Non-P.C posts are divisive and could hurt our Voting Margins. When you are supporting John McCain in 6 weeks you will regret these posts.

Nixon once said "we cant win without the conservatives, but we cant win with just the conservatives."
Im getting into dangerous waters here, but I am going to be very frank. Do you  buckleyites really think John McCain has any choice on these issues you are all worked up about? McCain will do what the NRA tells him to do. McCain will do what The Anti Death Lobby tells him to do. McCain will do what the Anti-Immigration Lobby tells him to do, He has no choice. If he wants any campaign money he will do it, regardless of what he may or may not "want". Just calm down, everything will work out, and vote for our nominee. You dont have to worry about John McCain being a "traitor".  But you have to understand, you have to compromise some of your views  to win!!!!!   ITS ABOUT WINNING!!!  CANT YOU SEE?

You give the libs their little 20% and you get 80%! You give a few little compromises here and there, and then you win!

You will all calm down and get it soon, and you will be easier to convince. Untill then."



If you don't have time to make a post then you shouldn't make a post.  And cutting and pasting the same argument time and time again is not the same thing as making a new post.  

The highlighted statement you made tonight is the best argument I have ever heard for NOT voting for John McCain.  If you really are working on the GOP campaign you really ought to stop with these ridiculous, poorly worded, poorly thought out posts.  You are doing more harm than good and if you don't see that then you would do the GOP a favor by just keeping your thoughts to yourself.  

And your constant, arrogant condescension and name-calling only makes it more insufferable.  

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Re: Perfect conditions for a 3rd Party win?

Postby bedbug on 06/25/08, 10:23 pm

I wonder if Goper is paid by the number of posts he submits on various political forums.
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