quote="paleocon"]Disaffected conservatives may well play a critical role in making one of these 3rd parties into one of the top two parties over time. I don't think it will happen in 2 or 4 years but believe it could happen in 8 to 12 years. We shall see. Parties have risen and fallen before. It could happen again.[/quote]

Third Party does have in a chance in the future. I think it would be a good thing. I just don’t think that a presidential election is a place to make a major push for it. Especially this election. Senator Obama is just too scary a candidate to allow into office. It would be better to displace as many of the Morons in the Legislature branch and replace them with more conservatives. This goes for state, county and local levels.  That is the best place to make major inroads.

Even replacing some of the liberal, liberal liberal democrats with liberal, liberal democrats would make sense. We need to get the social extremes out. It is going to take a long time to remove the threat of communism that has been allowed to build up. The party fighting has set the stage for allowing the amount of socialism that has made it’s way into the country. The old type democrat who was for social change within the confines of the constitution was not attempting to advance communism. Very few of them exist in the Legislature now and they in themselves are not the problem except they don’t seem to grasp what their fellow colleagues are really doing.  I think that is because they just cannot fathom the idea that such forces are at work right here in the country.

I known the word compromise is a nasty word. It does nothing to advance ones viewpoint in the long run because basically you have just lowered the bar. Actually I think concessions are a better way to look at it. The act of conceding or yielding implies; a demand, claim or request and it can be distinguished from just giving which is voluntary. It puts one on firm ground to bring what ever was conceded back into play at a later date exactly from the same place you conceded it from. Issues can be conceded with time restraints or codicils attached to it and that also works in the favor of the person or group who allowed the concession in the first place.

United we stand divided we fall is still a very valid reason for doing what is best for this country.

watcher wrote:Third Party does have in a chance in the future. I think it would be a good thing. I just don’t think that a presidential election is a place to make a major push for it. Especially this election. Senator Obama is just too scary a candidate to allow into office. It would be better to displace as many of the Morons in the Legislature branch and replace them with more conservatives. This goes for state, county and local levels.  That is the best place to make major inroads.

Well, when do you think 3rd parties ought to make a major push to elect their own presidential candidate if not during a presidential election?  Don't 3rd parties have a right to offer candidates that support their views?  

Perhaps the timing is inconvenient for John McCain and the GOP.  But, they should have thought earlier.  

watcher wrote:
I known the word compromise is a nasty word. It does nothing to advance ones viewpoint in the long run because basically you have just lowered the bar. Actually I think concessions are a better way to look at it. The act of conceding or yielding implies; a demand, claim or request and it can be distinguished from just giving which is voluntary. It puts one on firm ground to bring what ever was conceded back into play at a later date exactly from the same place you conceded it from. Issues can be conceded with time restraints or codicils attached to it and that also works in the favor of the person or group who allowed the concession in the first place.

United we stand divided we fall is still a very valid reason for doing what is best for this country.

I am not opposed to compromise.  I do it every day.  But, the question is the nature of compromises I choose to make and accept.  Compromises on core principle hurt me.  Compromises are always at the expense of conservative positions.  Conservatives have "compromised" with RINOs for years and got nothing in return for it other than more empty promises and insults.  

Bush, Sr. lied to me.  Bush, Jr. lied to me.  John McCain is lying to me.  Compromising with liars is an exercise in self-delusion.  I am not accepting their promises any longer.

Paleocon wrote

"Well, when do you think 3rd parties ought to make a major push to elect their own presidential candidate if not during a presidential election?  Don't 3rd parties have a right to offer candidates that support their views? "  

The time to push for a third party candidate as president is when the third party has a candidate in position to win.  The third party candidates that have been placed on primary ballots are helping make inroads. Raising awareness is always a good thing. They are just not strong enough, yet, to go all the way.  When we can place third party people in local and state elections and they get elected then the chances of having a third party become president is so much more possible.
The problem is that some good people that are third party end up moving into the GOP because they need the ‘machine’ to get them elected.  As soon as they do that then the get tainted with the party label and party practices and we go right back to the same starting point all over again.



"Perhaps the timing is inconvenient for John McCain and the GOP.  But, they should have thought earlier."  


Actually I wasn’t speaking specifically of McCain as an individual at all. He is the one that ended up opposing Obama as the other candidate so that ends up making him the one to elect to keep Obama out.


"I am not opposed to compromise.  I do it every day.  But, the question is the nature of compromises I choose to make and accept.  Compromises on core principle hurt me.  Compromises are always at the expense of conservative positions.  Conservatives have "compromised" with RINOs for years and got nothing in return for it other than more empty promises and insults. "  

As far as you not willing to compromise, again I was not speaking directly about you or any one in particular. I was just pointing out that yes, in the past, conservatives have compromised and they have not gotten anywhere but elected officials further from their core beliefs for it. If conservatives had made concessions it would have enabled them to keep there core beliefs at the center and visible to everyone. It would have been easier to bring them back to the center because you would have not been perceived as having abandoned them to begin with. I repeat perceived.
The chief complaint with the politicians over the years is “they don’t support my views or beliefs”. By conceding you do not lose support for your views and beliefs. You just put them aside for a very clear specific reason or a clear length of time

Think of it in football terms. The game always starts at the center- line every time.

"Bush, Sr. lied to me.  Bush, Jr. lied to me.  John McCain is lying to me.  Compromising with liars is an exercise in self-delusion.  I am not accepting their promises any longer."

The old joke; "When do you know a lawyer is lying? Every time they open their mouth." Get lawyers out of politics would be a great place to start. Lying is contagious. It would help curb the disease

All right, that does it.

I'm throwing my hat in the ring.

That's right.  I am announcing my intention to run for President of these United States.

Vote EYAS!!



Now, all I need is your donations.

Please send your support (Cash only) to:

Eyas for President
P.O. Box 104
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Eyas wrote:All right, that does it.

I'm throwing my hat in the ring.

That's right.  I am announcing my intention to run for President of these United States.

Vote EYAS!!

Finally a candidate I can support!  

Eh, about that athiest thing.  Would you consider converting to Hinduism or Mormonism?

paleocon wrote:

Eyas wrote:All right, that does it.

I'm throwing my hat in the ring.

That's right.  I am announcing my intention to run for President of these United States.

Vote EYAS!!

Finally a candidate I can support!  

Eh, about that athiest thing.  Would you consider converting to Hinduism or Mormonism?

Would Zoroastrianism do?

(you know that my ethos is fully informed by the Judeo-Christian, American ethic.  Actual belief in God is such a very small thing.  Isn't it? ...... um, ... right?   )

Eyas wrote:
Would Zoroastrianism do?

(you know that my ethos is fully informed by the Judeo-Christian, American ethic.  Actual belief in God is such a very small thing.  Isn't it? ...... um, ... right?

How about 4 Point Jainism?  But I would have to know if you are pre-mill or post-mill....

Eyas,

I suppose you will reject public campaign finance for your campaign too now that Obama is rejecting public funds.  

I predict it will cost you $450 million to wage a campaign against Obama.  Hope your credit cards aren't maxed out already.

paleocon wrote:Eyas,

I suppose you will reject public campaign finance for your campaign too now that Obama is rejecting public funds.  

I predict it will cost you $450 million to wage a campaign against Obama.  Hope your credit cards aren't maxed out already.

Well, I'm currently in the process of declaring bankruptcy; but with YOUR HELP, and the goodwill of special interests, this shouldn't be a problem.  AND, I'll get to keep all of the donations after I arbitrarily end my campaign for no reason.

I Promise to Reject Private Campaign Financing -- until it becomes in my interest to reject Public Campaign Financing.

I also PROMISE to ___________.

Until such time that polls indicate I should PROMISE to ___________.

Eyas wrote:
Well, I'm currently in the process of declaring bankruptcy; but with YOUR HELP, and the goodwill of special interests, this shouldn't be a problem.  AND, I'll get to keep all of the donations after I arbitrarily end my campaign for no reason.

I Promise to Reject Private Campaign Financing -- until it becomes in my interest to reject Public Campaign Financing.

I also PROMISE to ___________.

Until such time that polls indicate I should PROMISE to ___________.

Well, that sounds reasonable.  But "PROMISE" is such a strong word.  It has "absolutist" connotations.  Perhaps you should find another, more malleable word or phrase so as not to offend anyone.