Well, now, the Messiah is planning a hard drive to bring young Evangelicals over to his camp.  He is starting two new grassroots organizations:  Joshua Generation and Mathew 25.  He is targeting the young Evangelical, mush minded voters, just fresh out of their Government schools.

What's McCain doing to keep Evangelicals in the "R" camp?  Nothing.  

He doesn't think he needs them any more than he thinks he needs conservatives.

Obama is a smart politician; McCain is a dolt.  

Goper Dick will love this post.

Now, I know you Buckleyites/ Ultra-Cons/ Far Righters/ Dittoheads/Whatever the hell you like to be called are very angry, but John McCain is working to bring evangelical christians into his camp. He has recently appeared with several religious leaders, and apologeized for a comment he made about the religious theroies many years ago that were taken out of context by idiot muckrackeer slobs who should be fired and disgraced.

John McCain is committed to religious voters, and he considers religious issues like usuary and abortion to be a major priority.

My partner is getting very angry that I am wasting my vacation posting on this message board, so I would like to exit for a few weeks on a lighter note. Somone, probably paleocon or Soldiers Mum said something to the effect of "John McCain should read this forum", instead of sending me as a surrogate. Well, I am not affilated with the McCain Campaign and he did not send me,( I am with the RNC) but if he saw what a disaster this entire project has been up to this point, and how angry you Buckleyites are, he might soil himself. I never expected you buckleyites to be this bitter.

So, I will be back in about 3-4 weeks.

GOPER wrote:Now, I know you Buckleyites/ Ultra-Cons/ Far Righters/ Dittoheads/Whatever the hell you like to be called are very angry, but John McCain is working to bring evangelical christians into his camp. He has recently appeared with several religious leaders, and apologeized for a comment he made about the religious theroies many years ago that were taken out of context by idiot muckrackeer slobs who should be fired and disgraced.

John McCain is committed to religious voters, and he considers religious issues like usuary and abortion to be a major priority.

Well, there you go again.  Let me paraphrase:

"I know you disgusting, narrow-minded, ignorant people (who are probably Evangelical Christians) are angry.  But, John McCain is trying to bring you disgusting, narrow-minded, ignorant people into the party on the condition that you give up the very principles you hold dear.  Oh, and in case I haven’t demonstrated my distaste for you people clearly enough I am going to refer to you as “idiot muckraker slobs” just to be sure."

GOPER wrote:My partner is getting very angry that I am wasting my vacation posting on this message board, so I would like to exit for a few weeks on a lighter note. Somone, probably paleocon or Soldiers Mum said something to the effect of "John McCain should read this forum", instead of sending me as a surrogate. Well, I am not affilated with the McCain Campaign and he did not send me,( I am with the RNC) but if he saw what a disaster this entire project has been up to this point, and how angry you Buckleyites are, he might soil himself. I never expected you buckleyites to be this bitter.

So, I will be back in about 3-4 weeks.

Really, you and your “partner” should just take a long time and consider some other “projects.”  You said McCain didn’t send you on this project but then imply that someone else did.  Therefore, it appears we are a project of someone(perhaps the RNC?).  And you are correct in assessing your current state as one utter disaster.  Winning friends by degrading and insulting them is historically proven to be a failed approach.

If you are the best the RNC has to offer then the GOP is in far worse shape than I ever imagined.  If you are performing your efforts in this forum on behalf of the RNC then I change my predictions regarding the timeline for the ultimate demise of the GOP from 4 to 8 years to 5 to 8 months.

SoldiersMum wrote:Well, now, the Messiah is planning a hard drive to bring young Evangelicals over to his camp.  He is starting two new grassroots organizations:  Joshua Generation and Mathew 25.  He is targeting the young Evangelical, mush minded voters, just fresh out of their Government schools.

What's McCain doing to keep Evangelicals in the "R" camp?  Nothing.  

He doesn't think he needs them any more than he thinks he needs conservatives.

Obama is a smart politician; McCain is a dolt.  

Obama won't win many true Evangelicals to his camp.  He may win a lot of "mainstream denominational members" who haven't voted in large numbers by encouraging them to vote.  

And it is not that McCain is doing nothing to keep Evangelicals in the "R" camp.  He is actively driving us away.  GOPER's last post perfectly echoed the contempt McCain regularly spews forth when talking about Evangelicals.  Christian voters make up a large part of the GOP base.  I don't know if Christians are 35% or 55% of the "base."  But, I do know Evangelicals vote at much higher percentages than other Americans and I know they make up a significant number of the 50 million voters the GOP has counted on, and taken for granted, in the past.  

But, the math doesn't have to be precise to be predictive.  If there are 50 million Evangelicals in the country and 65% of them identify as conservative and vote GOP that is 32.5 million people.  If 50% of those people are likely voters that is 16.25 million voters.  If John McCain totally hacks off 10% of them that is 1.625 million votes.  If that is true then McCain has already lost and he doesn't know it.  If McCain has hacked off 600 Evangelical Christians in Florida then  he has already lost that state and thus the election!  

Is there anybody out there that honestly believes there aren't 600 Evangelicals in Florida that are less hacked off at McCain than I am?  And remember, I used to consider myself the poster boy for conservative Evangelical Republican voters as recently as 2004.

Goper is going on my ignore list.  He is all over the place on what side he is taking. He has purposely and from day one attempted to antagonize anyone with conservative values by name-calling and miss information. This goes beyond the GOP missing the fact that conservatives feel as though they have not been taken seriously. No politician I have even run across has been this stupid in any attempt to win the hearts and minds of a voter. This garbage about being from the RNC or McCain’s camp or whatever the story of the day is gone beyond annoying to bizarre and in my opinion is just a blatant attempt to discourage people from posting and reading about what concerns them on this forum.

Goper Dick's last post about his partner really has my radar up.  He's seeming more and more like a member of the Communist Party DNC trying to covertly draw out comments for him to use to show how hateful conservatives are and how they do not support Juan McNever.  Shhhhhhhh..don't anyone talk about his 12 year old partner or his membership in NAMBLA.     ........insensitivity.......insensitivity..........insensitivity.............    sorry..

watcher wrote:Goper is going on my ignore list.  He is all over the place on what side he is taking. He has purposely and from day one attempted to antagonize anyone with conservative values by name-calling and miss information. This goes beyond the GOP missing the fact that conservatives feel as though they have not been taken seriously. No politician I have even run across has been this stupid in any attempt to win the hearts and minds of a voter. This garbage about being from the RNC or McCain’s camp or whatever the story of the day is gone beyond annoying to bizarre and in my opinion is just a blatant attempt to discourage people from posting and reading about what concerns them on this forum.

I think most of agree that GOPER is not who or what he claims to be.  His arguments are obviously designed to antagonize people rather than reconcile them to John McCain.  Either he has an agenda (however strange and twisted) or the RNC/McCain campaign is utterly doomed and he is the personification of their vacuous philosophy and the party's life is to be measured in months rather than years.

Attached is an interesting newsletter that shows polling results indicating that Obamessiah is getting less "evangelical support" than Kerry did in 2004.  The MSM would have us believe evangelical Christians are flocking to Obamessiah but the polls indicate that isn't so.

Just another example of how the MSM will say anything to advance Obamessiah.  Bias?  What bias?  

From Newsmax.com

1. Obama Pulls Fewer Evangelicals Than Kerry

Despite assertions in the press that evangelical Christians are backing Democrat Barack Obama in the presidential race, a new survey reveals that he is getting less support than John Kerry did four years ago.

A typical headline, which ran last week in U.S. News & World Report, announced: “Obama Campaign Is Making Progress With Evangelical Voters.”

But the poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that 25 percent of white evangelicals favor Obama over John McCain, while 26 percent favored John Kerry over President Bush in 2004.

In 2000, Al Gore enjoyed even more support — 28 percent.

“Not that this translates into evangelical enthusiasm for McCain, but the survey is worth noting for no other reason than it challenges the prevailing media assumption about how Obama’s overt religiosity is helping his campaign,” National Review’s Mark Hemingway observes.

And the Pew Center notes: “Obama has made no significant gains among this important constituency.”


The survey also found that 39 percent of white mainline Protestants support Obama, significantly less than the 46 percent who backed Gore in 2000.

And among white, non-Hispanic Catholics, 40 percent favor Obama, compared to 47 percent who supported Kerry and 45 percent who backed Gore.

Four in 10 respondents who said they attend religious services at least once a week are backing Obama, fewer than the 42 percent who favored Kerry.

According to Hemingway, press accounts of Obama’s support among evangelicals are “a classic example of the media trying to force a campaign narrative, regardless of whether it is true.”