If you want to revisit the '04 campaign, I'm game. Kerry wrote the orders for his own decorations. While this is not illegal, per se, it is certainly unethical, by military standards. He lied about being in Cambodia on a secret, illegal mission. (His story sounded a little too much like Apocalypse Now.) He did not burn a single village, or commit ANY of the atrocities he cited in his infamous speech to Congress. (He eventually admitted this.) And, how a man in country 5 months receives 3 Purple Hearts, without seeing the inside of a hospital, is beyond me. Oh wait. He wrote the orders awarding himself those too. And, let's not even think about his personal, choreographed, war film.

Your Liberal war hero is a fraud. He was anti-war when it was the " thing to do." 30 years later, he wrapped himself in his Vietnam Service Ribbon because it was politically expedient.

bedbug wrote:If you want to revisit the '04 campaign, I'm game. Kerry wrote the orders for his own decorations. While this is not illegal, per se, it is certainly unethical, by military standards. He lied about being in Cambodia on a secret, illegal mission. (His story sounded a little too much like Apocalypse Now.) He did not burn a single village, or commit ANY of the atrocities he cited in his infamous speech to Congress. (He eventually admitted this.) And, how a man in country 5 months receives 3 Purple Hearts, without seeing the inside of a hospital, is beyond me. Oh wait. He wrote the orders awarding himself those too. And, let's not even think about his personal, choreographed, war film.

Your Liberal war hero is a fraud. He was anti-war when it was the " thing to do." 30 years later, he wrapped himself in his Vietnam Service Ribbon because it was politically expedient.

You people JUST DONT GET IT !!

the UNITED STATES NAVY SAYS OTHERWISE. you can take the word of some losers who are paid for their smears over the UNITED STATES NAVY, but thats your call.  

and he served a full tour before the 5 months, fact police.  you people are  a walking contradiction. can we say that McBush squeeled like a pig when he was in the hanoi hilton?? does that make him a traitor ?? give me a BREAK!!!

what wrote:

bedbug wrote:If you want to revisit the '04 campaign, I'm game. Kerry wrote the orders for his own decorations. While this is not illegal, per se, it is certainly unethical, by military standards. He lied about being in Cambodia on a secret, illegal mission. (His story sounded a little too much like Apocalypse Now.) He did not burn a single village, or commit ANY of the atrocities he cited in his infamous speech to Congress. (He eventually admitted this.) And, how a man in country 5 months receives 3 Purple Hearts, without seeing the inside of a hospital, is beyond me. Oh wait. He wrote the orders awarding himself those too. And, let's not even think about his personal, choreographed, war film.

Your Liberal war hero is a fraud. He was anti-war when it was the " thing to do." 30 years later, he wrapped himself in his Vietnam Service Ribbon because it was politically expedient.

You people JUST DONT GET IT !!

the UNITED STATES NAVY SAYS OTHERWISE. you can take the word of some losers who are paid for their smears over the UNITED STATES NAVY, but thats your call.  

and he served a full tour before the 5 months, fact police.  you people are  a walking contradiction. can we say that McBush squeeled like a pig when he was in the hanoi hilton?? does that make him a traitor ?? give me a BREAK!!!

He was rewarded for the 5 months. There is no evidence that McCain ever squealed, and anyway none of us support McCain. Anyone who isnt delibrately here to troll would be aware of that if they had taken 5 minutes to read some of the posts here.

The Yeti and What are the same person.

There is a SPECIAL FORUM for LIBS to PITCH their ARGUMENTS. LIBERAL FORUMS.

Layla 27 wrote:
The Yeti and What are the same person.

All libs are the same person aren't they ?? unbelievable.

I said Kerry is a fraud, I did not call him a traitor. But, since you bring it up. Kerry's speech before Congress, whether intended or not, gave aid and comfort to the enemy, in that it undermined public opinion toward the war and encouraged the enemy to continue the fight. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is a traitorous act. Thank you for bringing this important point to light.

..and, let's not forget that Kerry met with the Communist Chinese in Paris to discuss his VVAW strategy while still a Naval Reserve Officer.

..oh, and also, let's not forget that he still refuses to release his records proving all his injuries and his dishonorable discharge because he went AWOL while a reservist that was changed by Secretary Lehman to honorable.

SoldiersMum wrote:..and, let's not forget that Kerry met with the Communist Chinese in Paris to discuss his VVAW strategy while still a Naval Reserve Officer.

..oh, and also, let's not forget that he still refuses to release his records proving all his injuries and his dishonorable discharge because he went AWOL while a reservist that was changed by Secretary Lehman to honorable.

really ?? not according to the facts, he released all his records YEARS ago and received an HONORABLE discharge. Sorry.  I think Rush is in your head and that's why you're so uninformed.
Once again, try google if you are unsure of your rhetoric. It will save you the embarrassment.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical recordsShow numerous commendations

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff  |

June 7, 2005



http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/John_Kerry's_Military_records_and_Yale_transcript_released


http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-7839283.html


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html



and if you would like to see his official naval documents go here:


http://www.factcheck.org/republican-funded_group_attacks_kerrys_war_record.html

Perhaps Mum was mistaken about Kerry releasing his records; however, you copied (quoted) two other statements by Mum that you simply did not respond to.

I don't have any information about the Dishonorable Discharge that Mum refers to,  but you just slid past that by stating that he eventually was given an Honorable Discharge -- which does not contradict Mum's claim.


Also, YOU should be careful what you link to as "proof" of your claims.  Assuming that no one will bother to check them is bad policy around here.

From the Factcheck page that YOU linked.

      Louis Letson's Affidavit

In December of 1968, I treated John F. Kerry in Cam Ranh Bay in connection with the slight injury for which he later claimed and received his first Purple Heart.
The crewmen with Kerry told me that there was no hostile fire, and that Kerry had inadvertently wounded himself with an M-79 grenade.  This was barely lodged in Kerry's arm.

       From Van O'Dell's affidavit

  I was the gunner atop Lieutenant jg. Jack Chenoweth's boat during the Bay Hop River mining of PCF 3, which John F. Kerry used to claim a third Purple Heart and a Bronze Star.  Kerry directly and through his advertisements has lied about this matter.  What actually occurred was that PCF 3 in front of us was mined and its sailors thrown into the river or knocked unconscious.  Kerry fled the scene while other boats and we stayed to recover the wounded, save the PCF 3 boat, and fight. There was no return fire.

  Kerry's boat returned after no return fire occurred and recovered Jim Rassman, who had fallen into the water and who we also were within a few yards of.  There was no fire.  Kerry's Bronze Star citation and report of that day are false in many respects.  Kerry reported 3.2 miles of fire.  I did not hear any shots, nor did any hostile fire hit any boats other than PCF 3.  

       George Elliott's second affidavit

I have read Michael Kranish's recent Boston Globe article in which Mr. Kranish misquotes me.  I fully reaffirm my statement in the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth advertisement  "Any Questions?" in which I said that John Kerry has not been honest about what happenned ed in Vietnam.  That statement is indisputably true.

        Thurlow's statement within the article YOU Linked

  "It's like a Hollywood presentation here, which wasn't the case," Thurlow said last night after being read the full text of his Bronze Star citation. "My personal feeling was always that I got the award for coming to the rescue of the boat that was mined. This casts doubt on anybody's awards. It is sickening and disgusting."

  Thurlow said he would consider his award "fraudulent" if coming under enemy fire was the basis for it. "I am here to state that we weren't under fire," he said. He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

The Swift Boat issue is, and has always been, a matter of "He said"/"She said"; which NO ONE except Kerry and others who were there can attest to.  It is simply a question of who you choose to believe: John Kerry; OR Several of his compatriots who were in Vietnam with him.

Knowing that John Kerry lied before Congress in his "Winter Soldier" testimony, tends to favor believing the Swift Boat Veterans rather than the self-aggrandizing Kerry.

Eyas and Mum,

It should be obvious that "the Yeti" is not interested in any thoughtful discussion of issues.  He is here to flame.  You are wasting your time with him.  I have put him on ignore and intend to have no further discussions with him.  I suggest you consider doing the same.  The longer you respond to his spin, the longer he will spin.  He will have learned nothing and you will have wasted your time.