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Re: Let's throw "throw under the bus" under the bus!

Postby bedbug » 06/15/08, 1:37 pm

I have another adage for you. If all your friends jump off a cliff, will you jump with them. Leftist Republicans, like McCain, are leading us over the cliff. Continuing to elect them reaffirms the status quo. It took 4 years of Carter to wake up the Silent Majority. The country might just need 4 years of Obama as a good hard slap in the face to wake that Majority up again.

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Re: Let's throw "throw under the bus" under the bus!

Postby SoldiersMum » 06/15/08, 2:46 pm

4 years of Obama will equal 40.  The damage he will do to SCOTUS would insure that whatever they legislate will be ruled constitutional.  

He says the first thing  he will sign is the Personal Right to Choose Law which will do away with the ban on partial birth abortion and the protection law for infants surviving abortions.

Then he will sign the Fairness Doctrine.  When there is no counter to the MSM and no voice to tell us what they are up to, they will have free reign.   They are now talking about the Fairness Doctrine applying to everything including print media.

He says he will end the war nearly immediately but within the first 2 years all our troops should be out.  He says he will gut the Defense Department because there's just too much spending going on in that department.

He will raise taxes and even if he chooses to only raise taxes of people over $200K, trickle down will hit everyone.

He will institute socialized medicine.

He will sign the Law of the Sea Treaty.

He will sign the Global Poverty Act, complete with the Millineum Declaration and end the second amendment.  Treaties overrule the constitution.

He will sign  the Cap and Trade and the Kyoto Treaty.



McCain will do many of these things too.


WE ARE SO SCREWED.

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Re: Let's throw "throw under the bus" under the bus!

Postby Antisoros » 06/15/08, 3:33 pm

Obama would do all of those things, Juan would only sign LOST, and probably not even that. He's also over seventy years old, so the vice president pick should be considered more than ever before.

I don't think he'll get Hillary - she would have to switch parties and nobody really trusts anyone who does that.

It took 4 years of Carter to wake up the Silent Majority. The country might just need 4 years of Obama as a good hard slap in the face to wake that Majority up again.


No, it's not that simple.Carter was post-Viet nam, post-Watergate and he won against a RINO that was/is even more liberal than Juan, but won barely. Reagan almost won that nomination that year, if he had, he could've beat Jimmuh. the real historical parallels are with the Democrat Party primaries this year - a bitter race that ended up in a virtual tie. They will lose in Novemeber, with Obama, it's for certain.

Barack Hussein Obama's ACU rating is 0, Juan's in the low 80s.
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Re: Let's throw "throw under the bus" under the bus!

Postby paleocon » 06/16/08, 1:34 pm

The idea that McCain's VEEP will be terribly important is historically overblown.  Vice Presidents rarely rise to the Presidency via the ballot box.  

If in doubt take the following test to put this thesis in perspective:

1)  How many sitting Vice President's have ever won election to the Presidency?
2)  How many Vice Presidents have run for President in the 20th Century and lost?
3)  Who was the last Vice President to win the Presidency through the ballot box while Vice President?  
4)  Who was the one prior to the last one?

The Vice Presidency is a terrible platform for gaining the Presidency at the ballot box.  

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Here are the answers:

1)  Four sitting Vice Presidents have been elected President but only ONE in this century.  
John Adams (1789–1797) was elected President in 1796.
Thomas Jefferson (1797–1801) was elected President in 1800.
Martin Van Buren (1833–1837) was elected President in 1836.
George H. W. Bush (1981–1989) was elected President in 1988.

2) Nixon, Gore, Humphrey have run and lost in the last half of this century.  

3)  George H. W. Bush (1981–1989) was elected President in 1988. He represents the only exception over the last 152 years of history.  

4) Martin Van Buren (1833–1837) was elected President in 1836.
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Re: Let's throw "throw under the bus" under the bus!

Postby SoldiersMum » 06/16/08, 3:07 pm

You are forgetting McCain is a fossil.

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Re: Let's throw "throw under the bus" under the bus!

Postby paleocon » 06/16/08, 3:47 pm

No, once again, you miss the point.  McCain is old but he is a healthy 72.  There is nothing to indicate, in the recently released volumes of medical records, he isn't likely to serve out a full term if elected.  

The problem is, it is very, very rare for a sitting Vice President to run for the Presidency and win.  Therefore, McCain's VP selection is largely irrelevant from a historical perspective.  

That is one reason McCain's VP selection has no impact on my decision to cast a vote for him in this election.
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