John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby katarina on 06/05/08, 1:13 am

I will be writing in my choice for POTUS....RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!

Why not??  I can not vote for McLame.  The guy twice wanted to jump the Repub ship and go to the dark side!!
WHY would I vote for him?  I am writing in my candidate, and if that is a vote for B Hussein, then so be it.  Let the illegals vote for Juan!!  I'm not doing it!!
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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby paleocon on 06/05/08, 10:42 am

katarina wrote:I will be writing in my choice for POTUS....RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!


Eyas and I laid out our thoughts on conservative voting options in another thread.  I have concluded that a "write-in" vote is wasted because it gets lumped in under "other."   But, I think people are dividing into different camps:

3rd Party
Write-In Real Name
Write-In Deceased Person or Cartoon Character
Stay Home
Vote Obama (Yes, at least one person on the forum is going that route.)

For a couple of relevant posts with the reasons look here and here.  It is a tough call but search on "third party" or "3rd party" or "constitution party" for similar posts from other people.
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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby phxcon on 06/05/08, 4:48 pm

I agree that McCain is a loser. BUT, a non-vote or a protest vote gets Obama elected. I cannot even imagine the price that that would cost... I will hold my nose and vote for McCain...
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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby paleocon on 06/05/08, 4:57 pm

phxcon wrote:I agree that McCain is a loser. BUT, a non-vote or a protest vote gets Obama elected. I cannot even imagine the price that that would cost... I will hold my nose and vote for McCain...


This discussion has gone around the board several times.  There are many people who will hold their noses and vote for McCain.  Ironically, a few people who excoriated me for holding fast to my principles and pledging to never vote for McCain now plan to not vote for McCain.  One of them even announced his plan to vote for Obama!  

McCain continues to drive away conservatives on a daily basis.  He seems especially intent on alienating Conservatives and Christians.  

If only 10% of Rush's audience doesn't vote for McCain he loses 1.5 million votes right there.  If Dobson's followers sit out the election he could lose another 1.5 to 5 million votes.  If he alienates 3 to 6.5 million conservatives I don't see how he can win.  But, he thinks he can.  We won't know for sure until November.  

Of course, Obama could alienate 5 to 6 million "Reagan Democrats."  This arugala-eating, marxist will end up with both feet in his mouth by November.  But, will that be enough to help McCain who seems to be starting off without the conservatives?  Again, we won't know for sure until November but McCain's fundraising results indicate he has virtually no financial support in the GOP.  Maybe Hillary's friends will start pumping money into his campaign.
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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby bedbug on 06/05/08, 5:24 pm

Paleocon,

You have sparked an intriguing thought. Perhaps HRC will mount her own version of OC to prop up McCain, thus laying the foundation for herself, in '12.
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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby paleocon on 06/05/08, 6:01 pm

bedbug wrote:Paleocon,

You have sparked an intriguing thought. Perhaps HRC will mount her own version of OC to prop up McCain, thus laying the foundation for herself, in '12.


Many people think Hillary's behavior since Tuesday night has taken her out of the running for the Obama VP slot (if she was ever in the running).  I think Michelle Obama would need to be seriously drugged to ever agree to that.  Michelle may not be proud of her country but she seems to have sized up Hillary Clinton.  

If Hillary will NOT be Obama's VP that leaves her free to pursue a lot of options.  Some of those will be of more or less benefit to Obama and some may be less obvious or visible too.  If Hillary wants to oppose Obama but not do so in an obvious fashion what are her best options?  

Direct money is too easy to track.  But, could she really persuade friends and friends of friends to start pumping money into McCain's campaigns?  How may unindicted Chinese friends do the Clintons have?  

And what else might Hillary do to help Obama lose so she can be there in 2012?  Let's assume she wants to be discreet because openly opposing Obama would almost certainly the political suicide.  

Op Chaos was conducted in plain sight and that made it fun.  But if Hillary launches her own OC, and does it right, we may never hear of it.
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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby SoldiersMum on 06/05/08, 8:12 pm

The longer she goes, the more insignificant she becomes to Obama.  I heard today that the rumored tape of Michelle My Belle does exist and Republicans have heard it.  Supposedly the Clinton campaign has it.  She could use that as her leverage to either get the VP slot or to get a ton of money from Obama to pay off her campaign debts.  Could you imagine her getting that money and more and having alot of it bundled to the McCain campaign?  

The Clintons are experts as money laundering and campaign financing fraud.  Wouldn't it be delicious if she were to end up having Obama finance McCain's campaign?
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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby bedbug on 06/05/08, 9:56 pm

Keeping in mind that Hillary's most important consideration is Hillary, she does have several ways to play this. She might be the good partisan and bide her time, figuring that after a black president a woman is the logical progression. I think this is flawed thinking because BHO and a Democrat Congress will wreak self-defeating havoc. She may hover, like a vulture (Dick Morris analogy), waiting for BHO to self destruct and swoop in to save the day. She may have a surrogate pull the trigger and emerge as the last woman standing. Or, she may secretly undermine BHO.

However it goes, the one fact we know is that HRC is not going away. She has plotted 30 years for the Oval Office, a few more will not be a deterrent.
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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby paleocon on 06/06/08, 4:58 pm

I stumbled across this on Youtube.  I wasn't looking for it but when I saw it I thought you might be interested in it.   It is listed as #2 so that implies there is a #1 out there too.  

For those who think Barry O'Bama is bad when he is off-script just take a look at this.  

Will the least electable candidate please stand up?  


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Re: John McCain: Disaster in the making.

Postby paleocon on 06/09/08, 12:44 pm

John McCain continues to poke Christian conservatives in the eye!  

This man, and his whole campaign, seem to be intent on alienating Christians and conservatives at every turn.  John McCain has now refused to meet with Billy Graham.  Graham routinely tops the list of America's most respected people.  Graham is perhaps one of the few truly non-partisan Evangelical Christian leaders in the nation.  And he carries enormous influence among Evangelicals who, as the article points out, have the ability to mobilize tens of millions of mostly conservative voters.  

I don't know how may Evangelical Christians will hold their noses and vote for McCain or how many will stay home or choose a third party.  But, McCain is actively pursuing a strategy that could alienate tens of millions of voters.  A few hundred votes in Florida would turn the state.  A few thousand votes in other states could turn those states.  Does anyone in Florida doubt that McCain has already alienated 600 Evangelical Christians there?  

Thumbing your nose at tens of millions of voters in the vain hopes of winning a few disaffected Hillary Clinton fans is an incomprehensible strategy of a man determined to remake the GOP at the cost of destroying it.  

McCain Campaign Declines to Meet with Billy Graham
Sunday, June 8, 2008 10:10 PM
By: Doug Wead  

In another disturbing sign that Sen. John McCain has little interest in reaching out to his conservative base, including evangelical Christian voters, his campaign has declined an offer to meet with the Rev. Billy Graham.

For almost six decades, Graham has been America’s most influential preacher and evangelist, a man sought out by every president since Harry Truman

The rejection of an offer to meet with Graham is yet another indication that the McCain campaign has made a deliberate, strategic decision to chart a new course for the GOP, a course without the sizeable evangelical Christian voting bloc serving as its base.

The new course is likely designed to pick up disaffected Democrats, even Sen. Hillary Clinton’s women supporters, who are pro-choice.

The danger for McCain is in his campaign’s failure to grasp the size of the born again vote. Latest surveys show that fully 42 percent of all Americans claim to be “born again.”

But the risk is not just that the Republican nominee will lose evangelical voters but that he will lose its massive infrastructure: megachurches with their schools, television programs and massive mailing lists which traditionally play a crucial role for Republicans in voter registration and voter turnout. The cost to the party of replicating this role themselves would be incalculable.

McCain’s new course is a stunning turnabout for the GOP. In the summer of 1980, Ronald Reagan reached out to evangelicals gathered at the Religious Roundtable in a Dallas, Texas, saying to his audience of 10,000, “I know you can’t endorse me, but I want you to know that I endorse you.” It marked the beginning of a GOP relationship with evangelicals that became a winning coalition for three presidents.

As history now records, the day before the 2000 election, the candidate, George W. Bush, flew down from Ohio, met publicly with Graham during his Jacksonville crusade at a press conference, and won the state of Florida by 600 votes the next day.

When Jacobs called me earlier this year to suggest that we try to arrange a similar meeting between Graham and McCain, I was skeptical. During the 2000 primary race, McCain called evangelicals “agents of intolerance.”

Though McCain actually is quite engaging with religious believers -- I have been with him a couple of times at religious events and once interviewed him for a television show that aired on a religious network -- his staff is notoriously hostile. McCain adviser, Charlie Black, and campaign manager, Rick Davis, have a long, troubled history with the evangelical wing of the party.

McCain’s hasty decision to discard Hagee was seen by many evangelicals, even those who are not fans of Hagee, as a betrayal.

But Hagee and Graham are not the only evangelical leaders to be rebuffed by McCain. Press reports indicate McCain has turned away olive branch invitations from the influential Dr. James Dobson for the senator to visit him at his headquarters in Colorado Springs.

The theory behind the McCain campaign’s strategy to ignore evangelicals is that they have nowhere else to go, that Obama is too liberal, and they’ll vote against him come November.

But McCain’s team is missing the fact that the vacuum created by the GOP’s divorce from them is being filled by the Democrats.

By repudiating evangelical Christians he scrambles the traditional loyalties. It may win him some pro-choice women voters, demoralized by Clinton’s loss to Obama.

And it may win him a few months more of favorable media attention.

But marginalizing a voting bloc that represents 42 percent of the nation is more likely a desperate decision, revealing a campaign that is unsure of itself, fears defeat and has decided to roll the dice.



Read the whole article here.
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