Look, we are engaged in a religious war.

Not because we wish it.  Not because our current military actions in Iraq have religous implications.

It is quite simple: We are engaged in a religious war because those who wish to detroy us are motivated by the Muslim Religion.

We are engaged in a Religious World-War because that is the war that our enemies want.

Although our Nation was based, in large part, upon the ideal of freedom of religion; there was never meant to be an acceptance of a religion whose fundamentals require the overthrow of our National Government.

Islam, as a religion, is designed not only as a religious way of living; it is also a political and governmental ideology whidh requires the elimination of any and all governments that are not driven by Islam.

In short, Islam could be, and should be outlawed in the United States because it has as it's goal the overthrow of any government that is not based upon Islam.

Muslims seek, as a fundamental goal of their religion, the overthrow of the American government and its replacement with Islamic Rule.

Whatever your beliefs about Islam and individial Muslims, the ultimate goal of all Islamic thought is the eradication of any government except those dominated by Islam.

For this reason, Islam as a religion, could be outlawed without violating the first Amdt prohibition against state religions.

When a Christian Scientist puts their child at risk of death because they believe that God will heal their child, they are subject to criminal prosecutionf for failing to protect their child.

When a Muslim seeks the overthrow of the American government and its replacement with Muslim ideals, it must be clear that Mulims seek the overthrow/defeat of the American government.

Despite freedom of religion, a fundamental religious ideal encouraging treason and the replacement of out current government, must be considered treasonist.

My point is this: Islam, regardless of the 1st Amdmt, should be outlawed as its goal is the overthrow of the United States government, and the ulimate elimination of the 1st Amdnt as it appplied to any other religion.

I have more to say about Islam, and it's evil nature, but I think everone needs to be aware that Islam is not just a religion, but is also a political ideology, and one which seeks the elimination of the fundamental tenets of our government as described by our founding fathers and their founding documents.

Islam is a grave threat to the United States way of life.  And, it is a path which  endangers our belief in the ultimate truth and reasoning of our American ideology.

There have been, throughout history, EVIL religions.

Let us not fall into the trap of multiculturalism, to accept EVIL as simply a characteristic of alien societies/cultures.

The following were Evil Religions:

1. The Canaanites - These were the folks that the early Jews defeated in order to lay claim to the "Promised Land".  The Canaanite religion involved the sacrifice of children to the Lord Baal, by cooking infants in an oven as a sacrifice.
2. The Carthaginians - Despite any dislike of the Roman Empire, the Punic wars were engaged against the Carthaginians whose religion mimicked that of the Phoenecians and the Canaanites - the sacrifice of infants to the oven.  Thus, the Romans, believe it or not, were the good guys who eliminated this EVIL  practice of incinerating children
3. The Inca & Aztec.  The Spanish conquistadores did not have the numbers to  eliminate these Evil Religious cultures. Instead, they gained the allegiance of those tribes who were subject to the Evil Human Sacrifice practiced by the Incas and the Aztecs.  This EVIL religion of human sacrifice was eliminated upon the arrival of European "conquerors"
4. Islam.  Islam is without doubt the most EVIL of all religion.  The goal being the subversion of any and all non-Muslims to the Muslim Religion.  The ultimate goal of this religion is that all humans become Muslims or else be subjugated by Muslims.  The desire is simply to make Islam the one and only religion of all man-kind.  This forcible belief system is anathema to anyone who supports the freedom guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

Islam is an Evil religion with the goal of eliminating all other belief systems. If you don't understand this, you don't understand the future wars and the need of all non-Muslims to fight the Muslim religion.

In Short, Islam is an evil religion.  Please fight against it for your own survivals' sake.

Just wanted to say I agree 100%

I have a confession to make.

A college buddy of mine was in town yesterday, and last night, when I wrote the above post, I was drunk.  I should know better than to post when drinking, but I'm a slow learner.

Anyway, I'm not trying to turn this forum into an Anti-Muslim forum, but everyone got a peek at my true feelings because I was PWI (Posting while Intoxicated).

It's funny, I've posted elsewhere that I'm an atheist, but that I still have great respect for religion and religious people.  All my life, I've never had any problem with someone because they were Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Jainist, Shinto, Sikh, Confucian, Zoroastrian, or any other religion.  In fact, I never had any problem with Islam - it just wasn't an issue.  I am fascinated by all religions, and I do a lot of reading about various religions to understand them, perhaps to see if any fit my own world-view.  Since 9/11, as you might expect, I have done the most investigating about Islam.

Very soon after 9/11, the standard line of politicians and the media was that Islam is a "Religion of Peace" and the terrorist ideology represented only a very small minority of Muslims.  Even my own brother and his wife, who were on Wall Street during the attacks, were seduced by this line of thinking.  I never believed it.  And told my brother that to believe this line was to be "naive to the point of retardation".

Why did I never believe it?  Because it is an impossibility.  There is absolutely no way that such a violent, extreme ideology could exist without two things:
1: Acceptance by Muslim Governments; and
2: Either Support, Approval, or, at least, Tacit Acceptance by the more peaceful majority.

If neither of these things were true, terrorist ideology would likely never take root, and it certainly could not spread among the Muslim population as it has.  If there were no approval, or at least tacit acceptance, by the populace and the government, a violent extremist minority would be considered criminal and would be wiped out.  

However, instead of being wiped out, mothers throughout the Islamic world indoctrinate their children into this ideology as soon as their toddlers can understand words.

Are all Muslims bad or evil?  Of course not.  But, then, neither were all Germans under Nazi rule bad or evil.

However, the problem with Nazi Germany was that the good people did not stand up and oppose the evil of Nazism.  The Nazi ideology gained hold because of the approval or tacit acceptance by the German populace.  Those who stood up for right were not supported by their neighbors, and were thus cut down by the Nazi power structure and either sent to concentration camps or killed outright.  Nevertheless, Nazism could never have achieved dominance if it had been opposed by the majority of the German people.

Similarly, it is a flat out lie that the VAST majority of Muslims oppose terrorism.  It isn't true, and it could not possibly be true.  Furthermore, Terrorism is unquestionably supported by the standard interpretation of a pre-existing religion.  Nazism sprang from a few decades of rising German nationalism.  Islamic Terror springs from the most accepted (and truest) interpretation of the ONLY acceptable religion in the entire region that has centuries of history and conquest behind it.

I invite anyone here to explain the difference between Islam and Nazism.


There is only one difference ..... Islam is more embedded in the culture and minds of the people and is therefore FAR more dangerous, and will be far more difficult to defeat.  Furthermore, very few Americans (and ZERO politicians) seem willing to even acknowledge this enemy, and therefore are unwilling to fight this fight.

Someone, please name another difference between Nazism and Islam.  I would welcome it.



p.s. if anyone is going to say that Islam is a religion & Nazism wasn't - don't bother; just go look at the definition of a religion in a dictionary and get a clue.

Eyas wrote:

'Someone, please name another difference between Nazism and Islam.  I would welcome it.'



Definition of Nazism:

You have two cows. The government takes them both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk,... then   shoots you.

Definition of Islam: If you have two cows, that's the will of Allah.

Idriz

P.S. Happy, now?

Yeah, he's forgetting the part about Nazism where Jews and Gypsies are second-class citizens, and the Nazis are better than everyone else.

There is too much evidence out there, from public TV in the middle east, children's programming, governmental policies, and speeches from Arab leaders. They have a culture of violence that permeates everything they do. I know that sounds harsh, and I'm not saying every single Muslim person is bad, but they promote a violent mindset toward Israel and the west.

And yes, it is a religious war. You don't see atheistic Arabs out there fighting. All Muslim terrorists do so because they believe it's the will of Allah. And they won't stop fighting until they A) push Israel into the sea and force the west to be afraid of criticizing Islam or B) run out of money and resources to fight the war.