It is always a plus to hear others are taking similar actions. I understand the hesitancy to government enacted programs. However, I must ask you what do you think is causing the thinning of ice at the poles? It is being debated to add the polar bears to the threatened list due to loss of habitat. At this rate, it may be destroyed by 2040. 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet. The surface area of summer ice floating in the Arcitic Ocean this summer was nearly 23 percent below the previous record. NASA data shows the remaining sea ice to be unusually thin. Alaska's frozen permafrost is warming and surface temps in the Arcitc Ocean are the highest in 77 years of record keeping.

Ebba wrote:However, I must ask you what do you think is causing the thinning of ice at the poles? It is being debated to add the polar bears to the threatened list due to loss of habitat. At this rate, it may be destroyed by 2040. 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet. The surface area of summer ice floating in the Arcitic Ocean this summer was nearly 23 percent below the previous record. NASA data shows the remaining sea ice to be unusually thin. Alaska's frozen permafrost is warming and surface temps in the Arcitc Ocean are the highest in 77 years of record keeping.

Well, you have to read these stories carefully.  The ice at the "poles" is not shrinking.  The ice at the South Pole is actually growing!  Some glaciers in Greenland are receding but others in Greenland are growing.  

See here:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Greenland_Ice_ ... hicker.htm
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s ... es-cooling
http://mc-computing.com/qs/Global_Warming/Glaciers.html
For more just google “greenland ice cap glacier growing expanding”

In addition, Greenland was much warmer than it is now over 1000 years ago when the Vikings landed on Greenland and established agricultural communities there.  The glaciers were obviously much smaller than now.  The temperatures were much warmer then than now.  And then things got much colder and the Vikings had to abandon their settlements.  

Was the warming that permitted the Vikings to settle Greenland man-made?  Was the cooling that ended the colonization of Greenland man-made?  Is the world the warmest it has ever been?  The answer to each of these questions is emphatically “NO.”  

As to endangered species, greens warned that the Alaskan pipeline constructed in the 70s or 80s would kill moose or elk.  In fact, the critters have thrived around the pipeline and there are more of them than ever before.  Polar Bears don’t have to live on ice.  In fact, a warming of their habitat might actually cause their numbers to increase as the warming would bring other, smaller animals into their range and increase the food supply to Polar Bears.  

As for the Arctic ice cap, it did melt quickly this year but it is refreezing at a record pace too!  See here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread322949/pg1
http://10ksnookers.blogspot.com/2008/01 ... cover.html
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/134/31118
For more just google “arctic ice refreezing quickly”

Some parts of the earth may be growing warmer and some may be growing cooler.  The evidence is quite mixed.  Google NASA reports and measurements for air temperature.  It shows almost no change in the 20 years they have been monitoring temperatures with satellites.  

If you want to read two good books look for “State of Fear” by Michael Crichton and “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming” by Christopher C. Horner. There is a review of PIG:  Global Warming here:  http://www.challies.com/archives/book-r ... obal-w.php.

When I was a child we were all told that the earth was entering a new ice age and we would freeze and starve.  Now, my children are told the exact opposite.  A few hundred years ago a man named Malthus predicted world-wide famine.  It never happened.  

And finally, think about this.  The polar ice cap on Mars is melting.  Why do you suppose that is the case?  Is it man-made or is it possible that the source of heat for both Mars and Earth may be giving off a little more heat than it did a few years ago.  If that is possible, what might man do to make the common Terran and Martian primary heat source cooler?

Maybe I should have only prefaced that question to the North Pole. Less is documented on the South Pole so it is a bit more difficult to prove any patterns. However, the ice sheet in Greenland has been declining for the past 20 years. The past ten years it has seen an increase in loss. With 2007 and 2005 seeing the most rapid loss of ice. This has alarmed many scientists. It is true that climate patterns will vary and cycle over a period of many years. It is also true that the loss of ice will bring seals and others to the surface where they will be easy prey for the polar bears. Seals and walruses are two of the other animals that are feared could be lost in large numbers due to climate change.

Winters in the Northeast are losing their bite and research has now proven this. A study of weather station data from the past 40 years shows temperatures increased by 2.5 degrees. Snowfall totals dropped by an average of 8.8 inches and the number of days with at least one inch of snow on the ground decreased by nine days on average. With less snow cover, more sunshine is absorbed into the ground, making it less conducive to snow cover.

Okay, ignore every source I just pointed you to.  Ignore every question I asked.  Believe what you want to believe and ignore any evidence to the contrary.  Be just like every other global warming alarmist on the planet.

Ebba wrote:Maybe I should have only prefaced that question to the North Pole. Less is documented on the South Pole so it is a bit more difficult to prove any patterns. However, the ice sheet in Greenland has been declining for the past 20 years. The past ten years it has seen an increase in loss. With 2007 and 2005 seeing the most rapid loss of ice. This has alarmed many scientists. It is true that climate patterns will vary and cycle over a period of many years. It is also true that the loss of ice will bring seals and others to the surface where they will be easy prey for the polar bears. Seals and walruses are two of the other animals that are feared could be lost in large numbers due to climate change.

Winters in the Northeast are losing their bite and research has now proven this. A study of weather station data from the past 40 years shows temperatures increased by 2.5 degrees. Snowfall totals dropped by an average of 8.8 inches and the number of days with at least one inch of snow on the ground decreased by nine days on average. With less snow cover, more sunshine is absorbed into the ground, making it less conducive to snow cover.

Citations please.

or links.

Ebba wrote:It is always a plus to hear others are taking similar actions. I understand the hesitancy to government enacted programs. However, I must ask you what do you think is causing the thinning of ice at the poles? It is being debated to add the polar bears to the threatened list due to loss of habitat. At this rate, it may be destroyed by 2040. 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet. The surface area of summer ice floating in the Arcitic Ocean this summer was nearly 23 percent below the previous record. NASA data shows the remaining sea ice to be unusually thin. Alaska's frozen permafrost is warming and surface temps in the Arcitc Ocean are the highest in 77 years of record keeping.

Citations please.

or links.

Eyas wrote:

Ebba wrote:It is always a plus to hear others are taking similar actions. I understand the hesitancy to government enacted programs. However, I must ask you what do you think is causing the thinning of ice at the poles? It is being debated to add the polar bears to the threatened list due to loss of habitat. At this rate, it may be destroyed by 2040. 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet. The surface area of summer ice floating in the Arcitic Ocean this summer was nearly 23 percent below the previous record. NASA data shows the remaining sea ice to be unusually thin. Alaska's frozen permafrost is warming and surface temps in the Arcitc Ocean are the highest in 77 years of record keeping.

Citations please.

or links.

Hey! Look!  It is a fact that the Penguin is EXTINCT in Arctic regions!  And the Polar Bear is EXTINCT in Antarctica too!  GLOBAL WARMING IS TRUE!  We are all gonna drown in our penthouse apartments!  The seas will rise 10,000 feet in a single day.  The entire planet Mars will melt due to the extra reflected heat coming from Earth.  The moon will spin off its axis and crash into Jupiter causing massive solar disruptions and eventually lead to halitosis and hairy legs on Victoria Secret supermodels!  THE END IS NEAR!!!!

Yes, the END is always NEAR.  Even when the END had previously been predicted to occur yesterday... or five years ago.... or ten years.  It's ALWAYS just over the horizon... just around the corner.  

Does there need to be any surer proof that Global Warming is a Religion?

The always forthcoming, never occurring, Global Warming Apocalypse is exactly like religious end-times... with one difference:  As an atheist, I am 100% certain that the Book of Revelation will occur, literally and word for word, LONG BEFORE the predicted Global Warming Doom.

Oh, wait!  Never mind.  That is not a Victoria Secrets supermodel.  It was just algore in a speedo.  ewwwwww....

Here we go again!  Global Warming isn't catching on?  Can't get that needed traction to take over the world with your last silly idea?  No matter.  Your audience has a very short attention span.   It's Crisis de Jour!  

The world isn't getting warmer, it is getting cooler.  NEXT, WE WILL HAVE GLOBAL WARMING AND A NEW ICE AGE AT THE SAME TIME!  

And algore will be out front preaching the gospel and idiots like McCain, Obama and Clinton will be right there sucking it up!  

Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.