Truman warned about the Military Industrial Complex, even more frightening is the Government Media Complex.

I have always assumed the media is just the mouth piece of the government but now it is so out in the open that there is no assumption, it is fact.

I'm seeing a civil war in this country brewing between government employees and the rest of us. Not only do government employees draw social secuirty but in some cases they draw more salary when  retired than when they were working.

This scenario is very unfair to the rest of us and forces the private sector to bankrupt itself trying to compete with the benefits government workers recieve.

TheIndependent wrote:Truman warned about the Military Industrial Complex, even more frightening is the Government Media Complex.

Geez, you have got to check your facts before you post.  Eisenhower coined the term "military industrial complex" in a speech he delivered in 1961 just before he left office.  

After the past 7 years, and the brutal, anti-conservative press coverage of the Reagan years how do you conclude that the media is an arm of the government?  It is pretty obviously an arm of the Democrat party but it is certainly on the other side when Republicans are running the government.  

Where do you dream this stuff up?  Seriously?

Can Anyone Offer Proof that The State Department is Acting in Our best interest, or that of The Constitution? Can Anyone remember the Last Time The State Department was on the Same Page as Any Administration?

R John wrote:Can Anyone Offer Proof that The State Department is Acting in Our best interest, or that of The Constitution? Can Anyone remember the Last Time The State Department was on the Same Page as Any Administration?

Well, the State Department was reasonably in sync with the Clinton administration.  Not that that was necessarily a good thing for America though as Clinton foreign policy was virtually never made in the best interests of the United States.  

But the vast majority of the evidence indicates that the US State Department is more concerned with their own image rather than the vital national interests of the United States of America and our Constitution.

paleocon wrote:

TheIndependent wrote:Truman warned about the Military Industrial Complex, even more frightening is the Government Media Complex.

Geez, you have got to check your facts before you post.  Eisenhower coined the term "military industrial complex" in a speech he delivered in 1961 just before he left office.  

After the past 7 years, and the brutal, anti-conservative press coverage of the Reagan years how do you conclude that the media is an arm of the government?  It is pretty obviously an arm of the Democrat party but it is certainly on the other side when Republicans are running the government.  

Where do you dream this stuff up?  Seriously?

My mistake, Eisenhower. There is no healthcare crisis in the private sector, the crisis is in state and federal government and it has more to do with government employees and the extravagant payouts that were promised than  anything else.

You will see what Im talking about in the coming years about the civil war. Living in California I am already living it. The problem in this state is that millions are retiring and will still collect a salary(retirement), so the state of California has to start paying the extravagant benefits I'm talking about and hire a new person to fill the old spot, capeche so far? This will effectively double the cost of government overnight, you have to pay the reitiree and the new hire. All the big states are going to be in trouble real soon and the smaller states will follow eventually.

Talk to me in 6-7 years and tell me I didn't know what I was talking about. Good luck ...

As far as the media goes it is controlled by the demoRAT party, they work in concert  to push themes like globull warming etc,,,etc. Once in a while they side with a republican theme if it's too damn popular not to.  If you thought past media election bias was bad  well you ain't seen nothing yet!  

The Clintons and their ilk are the shadow government, it's a shame that Bush is so compromised to expose them, than again I think Bush is in on it ....

Well, frankly, California is a mess.  Extreme government mismanagement is one of the reasons middle class taxpayers are fleeing the state.  Spiraling government costs will eventually bankrupt the state.  

But, this is a separate matter from the other loony conspiracy theories you keep going on about.  Is there any conspiracy theory you don't believe in?

paleocon wrote:But, this is a separate matter from the other loony conspiracy theories you keep going on about.  Is there any conspiracy theory you don't believe in?

FDR was a comunist


THE CENTRAL FACT OF THE 20TH CENTURY IS THAT FDR AT YALTA DELIVERED 725 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS INTO COMMUNIST SLAVERY

To do so, FDR trashed the four freedoms, the Atlantic Charter, his promises and commitments to small democracies, his oath of office, the moral standing of the United States, and he created a perpetual cold war that bankrupted US.

To understand the treason at Yalta, is to understand Roosevelt. All of his actions were bent in the same direction - dead left. He unceasingly promoted Communism at home and abroad to the full extent and possibility of his office. FDR was a hard-core Marxist as proved by his speeches - in his first inaugural he proposed 3 planks of the Communist Manifesto. In his first inaugural address, he proposed national land redistribution! Karl Marx explained his plan to destroy all constitutional government: "The surest way to overturn the social order is to debauch the currency." FDR carried that out with a vengeance by taking the US off the gold standard and confiscating all gold.

Through 3 declarations of National emergency - March 1933, September 9, 1939, and May 27, 1941, FDR usurped as much dictatorial power as Hitler had on paper. The first was codified in HR 1491, No. 1 and gave FDR the same powers as in war.


http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/fdr.html

TheIndependent wrote:

paleocon wrote:But, this is a separate matter from the other loony conspiracy theories you keep going on about.  Is there any conspiracy theory you don't believe in?

FDR was a comunist

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.  And if I ask you I get spelling errors to boot!  Technically, FDR would have been called a "Useful Idiot" rather than an actual communist.  

It is obvious you have never studied 20th century history.  If is a dubious proposition that you have ever studied anything but old LaRouche speeches.  

Please explain what FDR might have done at Yalta to prevent the Soviets from administering control over the states they had already conquered by February 1945?  Remember, at this point the Soviets already occupied Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and much of Hungary.  The German Army was fighting ferociously on both fronts and we had just been rocked by "The Battle of the Bulge" and were hundreds of miles from Berlin while the Russians were less than 100 miles away.  

Please list the 3 or 5 or 10 steps FDR would have taken at Yalta to force the Soviet Union to grant freedom to the nations listed above.  Oh, yes, and try and remember that FDR was desperate for Soviet military action in China and the Pacific since he expected 2 million casualties when it came time to invade the Japanese home islands.

paleocon wrote:

TheIndependent wrote:

paleocon wrote:But, this is a separate matter from the other loony conspiracy theories you keep going on about.  Is there any conspiracy theory you don't believe in?

FDR was a comunist

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.  And if I ask you I get spelling errors to boot!  Technically, FDR would have been called a "Useful Idiot" rather than an actual communist.  

It is obvious you have never studied 20th century history.  If is a dubious proposition that you have ever studied anything but old LaRouche speeches.  

Please explain what FDR might have done at Yalta to prevent the Soviets from administering control over the states they had already conquered by February 1945?  Remember, at this point the Soviets already occupied Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and much of Hungary.  The German Army was fighting ferociously on both fronts and we had just been rocked by "The Battle of the Bulge" and were hundreds of miles from Berlin while the Russians were less than 100 miles away.  

Please list the 3 or 5 or 10 steps FDR would have taken at Yalta to force the Soviet Union to grant freedom to the nations listed above.  Oh, yes, and try and remember that FDR was desperate for Soviet military action in China and the Pacific since he expected 2 million casualties when it came time to invade the Japanese home islands.

I know you think you know it all but try reading the page I linked too, it explains it all.  And the media was in on the coverup of  the genocide of Ukranians by not covering what was going on. The US goverment to this day is filled with communists, ever hear of the Progressive Caucus ? Nancy Pelosi is a member of it.

"Stalin is my brother" - FDR after Tehran

• FDR gave a speech in Troy, NY, 3 March 1912, in which he laid out his philosophy - he placed the "liberty of the community" over "the liberty of the individual." He said competition was bad but cooperation was good. The speech was a concerted assault on the idea of private property. "...why can we not...predict that the state will compel every farmer to till his land or raise beef or horses?" He also claimed that the state could force "idle" men to labor. He imposed no limits on the power of the state. His definition "by liberty we mean happiness and prosperity" is not liberty at all but could as well mean slavery. He pointed to the Germans as proving that we "had passed beyond the limits of the individual." In his first inaugural speech, he said, "rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed" and threatened Congress and asked for dictatorial powers.

• Charles Beard, the doyen of American socialists and creator of the ideas for FDR's NRA and AAA: "FDR accepts the inexorable collectivism of the American economy...national planning in industry, business, agriculture and government." "Individual economic activities and individual property rights will be altered and changed." FDR was bringing us to a 'collectivist democracy' and "worker's republic."

• Earl Browder, a regular Bolshevik and General Secretary of the Communist Party USA, went wild with delight and excitement over FDR's speeches. "If the New Deal could be established, it should be possible to proceed from this, step by step, without violent overturning, to socialism." Earl, who was also a Russian spymaster, ran his base of operations from the White House and hired and fired administration officials at all levels. FDR pardoned him from a 5 year prison sentence in 1942.

• George Bernard Shaw said FDR "is a communist but does not know it." Of course he did know it, but it would have been political suicide to express it.

• H.G. Wells wrote "The exciting thing about him, as about Stalin, is that he, too, has more of the appearance of having modern objectives, however incompletely apprehended, than anyone else in the world." Also that FDR was feeling his way toward state capitalism and Washington and Moscow were 'the twin centers of reconstruction effort.' After reading Well's autobiography in which he called for a 'greater effort' for Communism, FDR wrote him "your direction and mine are not so far apart."

• FDR said it was time for US "to become fairly radical for at least one generation. History shows that where this occurs occassionally, nations are saved from revolution...Wait until next year, I am going to be really radical." "National thinking, national PLANNING and national action are the three great essentials...'socialism' has probably done more to prevent Communism and rioting and revolution than anything else in the last 4 or 5 years." National planning necessarily requires coercion - it is the recipe for tyranny. FDR liked to call himself the Kerensky of the American revolution.

• "The Russian newspapers during the last election (1932) published the photograph of Franklin D. Roosevelt over the caption 'the first communistic President of the United States'." -- Senator Thomas D. Schall

• Stalin called FDR in Dec 1933, "a decided and courageous leader." In 1934 he praised FDR's "initiative, courage and determination".

• Although FDR liked to pretend that Teddy Roosevelt and his family supported him, in 1935 in Philadelphia, Teddy, jr. leveled this blast at FDR: "You have been faithless. You have usurped the function of Congress, hampered freedom of the press...You have urged Congress to pass laws that you knew were unconstitutional...You have broken your sacred oath taken on the Bible."

• August 13, 1938, The House Un-American Affairs received testimony from John Frey, president of an AFL union, about 280 Communist Party members in the CIO and that communists had infiltrated the government in almost every bureau through the United Office and Professional Workers Union. FDR , who was very angry, met with Chairman Dies and told him "Well, there is no one interested in Communism, no one at all. I've heard it all my life. There is no menace here in Communism...there is nothing wrong with the Communists in this country. Several of my best friends are Communist." The bitterest attack FDR ever made publicly against a public official was against Dies for his investigation of Communist influences in union sit-down strikes. FDR refused cooperation with the Dies committee and tried to kill it by blocking funds to it in 1940. Dies claimed there were 3,000 communists working in government.

• "Submission, not freedom is to be the future badge of the United States...the overturn of institutions, including the Constitution, is the avowed goal of his (FDR's) immediate advisors. -- Woodrow Wilson's Secretary of State Bainbridge Colby, in Portland, OR, Sept. 1934

• Father Coughlin said in 1936 that the New Deal had its feet of clay mired "one in the Red mud of Soviet communism and the other in the stinking cesspool of pagan plutocracy." Also "the efforts are made for low, practical purposes to confuse a Christian program of social justice with a Godless program of communism."

• "Now to bring about government by oligarchy masquerading as democracy, it is fundamentally essential that practically all authority and control be centralized in our national government. The individual sovereignty of our states must first be destroyed, except in mere minor matters of legislation." -- FDR March 2, 1930

• When his Chief of Security Berle brought him information from the Communist courier Whittaker Chambers that there were 2 Soviet spy rings at the highest levels of his administration, naming names like Hiss, White and Silvermaster, FDR told him to "go jump in a lake." The report was suppressed for years. The KGB archives list 221 agents in the most sensitive sections of the Roosevelt administration in April 1941. There were probably a like number of Soviet military GRU agents.

• The week before the 1944 election, Izvestia wrote "to announce joyfully that Mr. Roosevelt's return was secure" and predicted an American Reichstag fire.

• In 1946 FDR's son Elliot wrote a book titled As He Saw It which was meant to be the memoir that his father never wrote. It quoted many important private conversations and opinions of FDR. The real inside story scandalized the keepers of FDR's myth, who said that it put the words of the communist newspaper The Daily Worker into his father's mouth. The truth hurts.

Once again, you have failed to even read the post you are responding to.  

Try again:  

paleocon wrote:Please explain what FDR might have done at Yalta to prevent the Soviets from administering control over the states they had already conquered by February 1945?  Remember, at this point the Soviets already occupied Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and much of Hungary.  The German Army was fighting ferociously on both fronts and we had just been rocked by "The Battle of the Bulge" and were hundreds of miles from Berlin while the Russians were less than 100 miles away.  

Please list the 3 or 5 or 10 steps FDR would have taken at Yalta to force the Soviet Union to grant freedom to the nations listed above.  Oh, yes, and try and remember that FDR was desperate for Soviet military action in China and the Pacific since he expected 2 million casualties when it came time to invade the Japanese home islands.

Really, just cut and paste this and provide your answers.  

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