Here is a video well worth your viewing on the subject of global warming.


http://www.rightalk.com/asx/ggws.asx

As provocative and persuasive as the film was, I don't think it was any more intellectually honest that Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth film. The whole thing smacked of propaganda to me.


Here's a response to the film I found on GoogleVideo a while back. Check it out and see what you think. 

Although I was unable to view the video clip ( for whatever reason my primitive computer couldn't understand the file extensions) I have already made up my mind that the whole idea is nothing but another hoax...perpetrated by those who would profit by their lame attempts to foist this scam on the world.. and specificaly..the American public.

Scientific data? Hogwash! Consensus? Prove to me that that's scientific data!

Follow the money!  Who's going to benefit from all of this?  Who is going to receive the money you pay to buy the 'offsets' to improve your footprint?

None other than our former fearless Vice-President, Al (Global Warming) Gore! He comes from a long line of Dems who felt they were annointed to lead.  He doesn't know sheep $hit from apple butter about Global Warming or anything else about the universe we live in! It's the same old Liberal line, "Oh my God...we're in another crisis" or "the sky is falling....the sky is falling!"  Chicken Little warned us about that and the left is recycling the same old story! But it won't wash.

We live, whether or not we would like to admit it, in a Biosphere. Capped by the upper limits of our atmosphere. All weather is a local phemonon from the Equator to the north and to the south. Weather patterns are cyclical...depending upon winds, fronts and cycles. These cycles are not predictable any more than are hurricanes or tornadoes.

The "warmers" want to ban CO emmissions as a matter of law.  What in the world do you think all air breathing mammals, including man, exhale?  Trees, by their place in our ecological structure take in CO and turn it into O!

They also wish to stop cattle from flatulating. Now, there's a chore they can't legislate!

OK, I'll follow Mr. Gore's leadership...much the same as the good people of Tennessee did two election cycles ago when  they knew him for the hypocrite that he is and wouldn't back him as a favorite son for the nomination to be the leader of their party.

When pig's fly!  That's when I'll buy into the theory of Global Warming!

Jusme

I didn't see the video as propaganda at all.  I see it as a reaction to even out the scale of the avalanche of pro-warming propaganda.  I would like to see more skeptics speak out; as it will ultimately move up closer to the truth.

Science can often only accurately predict tomorrow's weather with 50 % accuracy!  Science struggles with predicting the frequency of hurricanes each season, and forget about being able to accurately predict the hurricane's path.  
So forgive me if I remain a skeptic on global warming.   IMHO,  science can create all the models they want, they are still a long ways from being able to fully understand, measure, and predict all the factors that control our climate even in the short term, much less the long term.

dittohead wrote:I didn't see the video as propaganda at all.  I see it as a reaction to even out the scale of the avalanche of pro-warming propaganda.  I would like to see more skeptics speak out; as it will ultimately move up closer to the truth.

Science can often only accurately predict tomorrow's weather with 50 % accuracy!  Science struggles with predicting the frequency of hurricanes each season, and forget about being able to accurately predict the hurricane's path.  
So forgive me if I remain a skeptic on global warming.   IMHO,  science can create all the models they want, they are still a long ways from fully being able to fully understand, measure, and predict all the factors that control our climate even in the short term, much less the long term.

But it is though. Propaganda is any information that is presented for the purpose of promoting some cause. I think that's an apt description of the film's content.

I also disagree that skeptics "speaking out" in propaganda films gets us closer to the truth. Responding to propaganda (like Gore's film) in kind doth not a scientific inquiry make. And as we all know, fighting fire with fire will only get us in trouble with Smokey the Bear. If the skeptics are really interested in discovering the truth of the matter, they should respond to Gore's propaganda in a scientifically rigorous manner. Or, better yet, they should ignore Gore's propaganda altogether and instead focus on what actual scientists have to say.  

Healthy skepticism is what makes science work. The sort of "skepticism" found in Durkin's film is what impedes its progress.  

I encourage you to watch the film I provided. It might give you a different perspective on the issue.

Hi Enraged,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.  We are in a no win battle of semantics.  Your view is that "propaganda is any information presented for the purpose of promoting some cause."  In this case, I see the cause as refuting relentless and unprecedented propaganda by politicans, celebrities & scientists with agendas of whom I have little faith, so I consider the cause a worthy one.  I was not very impressed with your rebuttal video, and I don't accept everything in the original video as gospel, either.

It is my view that the global warming frenzy has actually had the effect of silencing qualified scientists who do not completely 'tow the party line' due to fear of reprisal and ridicule.  Of course, there is also the natural bias associated with the fact that this field of study is providing an unbelievable amount of funding for science.

I think we can both agree that we need scientists who can approach this subject in an unbiased and unpressured way.

I hope that you will agree with me on my next point;  that there is MUCH still to learn about the subject of climate change.  

I would be most happy to see the celebrities and Al Gore's of the world 'chill' on the subject of 'warming', and to see the hysteria on this subject subside a bit.

I do not question the motives behind responding to propaganda, only the methods involved. Attacking politics parading as science with more of the same is a complete waste of time. It serves only to further the agendas of those who have no interest in science at all. Also, it is not necessary that my video be impressive, only that it invalidate the arguments of the Swindle film, which it does admirably. I also did not assume that you had taken everything in the film as gospel truth.


I must challenge your view that scientists who disagree with the theory are in danger of being silenced or ridiculed. And that science is for sale to the highest bidder. There is no reason to suspect that because climate science is being particularly well funded at the moment (it isn't, but that's another matter), scientists would be willing to sacrifice their intellectual and scientific integrity. There simply isn't any evidence whatsoever to support this assertion.

I think we can both agree that we need scientists who can approach this subject in an unbiased and unpressured way. 


I hope that you will agree with me on my next point;  that there is MUCH still to learn about the subject of climate change.  

I agree on both counts. Although I suspect we differ in that I believe we currently understand the climate well enough to know what sort of impact we're having on it.

I would be most happy to see the celebrities and Al Gore's of the world 'chill' on the subject of 'warming', and to see the hysteria on this subject subside a bit.

Again, I agree. However, I think it would be better if people simply ignored the Al Gores of the world and focused on what actual scientists have to say.

Informative, just wish that it was just as proposed as the Al Gore movie for schools.