What was that on the front of the lecturn? Part presidential seal and part nonsense?  These things should not be toyed with-- It reminds one of a little boy trying on his dad's clothes and they don't fit.

I saw this on CNN (I think).  The "reporters" were giddy with how 'cool' and 'interesting' and 'innovative' it was.




NYSlimes article: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/the-great-seal-of-obamaland/

I only wonder why the stolen eagle is carrying arrows in it's left talon.  Why not a second Olive branch?


My Latin is extremely rusty, but the NYT assures me that "Vero Possumus" means "Si, Se Puede".

In my world, it means "Truly, A Possum" willing to roll over & play dead for our nation's enemies.

(did you know?: that when possums play dead, they also give off the stench of decomposing flesh.)

Wow. Gads, and gee golly.

A remarkably ignorant move on Obama's part.

After eight years of an Executive Administration that holds itself separate from and above the law, Obama should know better than to display this kind of arrogant and narcissistic symbolism.

For God's sake, the man isn't running for "Obama of the United States". Hell, we are barely surviving "Bush of the United States".

Considering Bush's unprecedented abuse of executive powers, and his dictatorial interpretation of the role of the POTUS, the self agrandizing symbolism depicted by this seal is obscene, and Obama's staff should know better.

One pompous criminal king has been enough, we certainly do not need his successor exhibiting the same level of self-impowerment and obscene abuse of the office, even if only symbolically.

FatAddict wrote:Considering Bush's unprecedented abuse of executive powers, and his dictatorial interpretation of the role of the POTUS,
One pompous criminal king has been enough, we certainly do not need his successor exhibiting the same level of self-impowerment and obscene abuse of the office,  

What, specifically, are you talking about with regard to President Bush?  I'm certainly no fan of his, but I'm not sure I agree with your assessment.  

I think some examples of what you're referring to would help.

Comical, eyas. I find it implausable that you are being serious, if you truly are asking what powers Bush has abused, or where he has strayed from the law. My suggestion to you is to start with this little dissembling puke Johnson, and his disregard for a Congressional subpoena, and Bush's timely permission to use this false justification of "Executive Privilege". Interesting, seeing as how this prevaricating little bag of elephant excrement has claimed the White House did not influence  or dictate his opinion. If not, than wheres the "Executive Privilege" come in?

But, bandwidth,  and my projected life expectancy, do not allow a full disclosure of the crimes, malfeasances, and treasons of this Administration. So, my suggestion to you, if you have a millimeter of open mind left through which to filter some logic and common sense, is just work backwords from Johnson's White House abetted stonewalling before Congress, and you will find plenty of fodder with which to indict Dick Cheney and George Bush. Eight years of it, in fact.

But, to remain on topic here, you may find this interesting.....

18 USC Sec. 713 ...

(a) Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, in, or in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

(b) Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."

FatAddict said:  Considering Bush's unprecedented abuse of executive powers, and his dictatorial interpretation of the role of the POTUS



I am not a Republican any more.  I am a Conservative.  You posted these things and  I want to know just exactly what you are talking about.  Are you some kind of Bush Derangement Syndrome spokesperson or something?  

Please explain, in detail, just exactly what you are talking about.  Use bonafide sources and/or state it is your opinion.   If you can't do that, then stop making these inflamatory comments that are so abstract they appear to be written by a member of the Communist Party (DNC).

FatAddict wrote: Comical, eyas. I find it implausable that you are being serious, if you truly are asking what powers Bush has abused, or where he has strayed from the law.

As comical and implausible as it may seem, I would like to know, specifically, what powers the President has abused, and when.

As I said.  I am no fan of President Bush.  I have my own opinion as to what his misdeeds have been.  I only asked what abuses YOU are referring to.

FatAddict wrote:My suggestion to you is to start with this little dissembling puke Johnson, and his disregard for a Congressional subpoena, and Bush's timely permission to use this false justification of "Executive Privilege". Interesting, seeing as how this prevaricating little bag of elephant excrement has claimed the White House did not influence  or dictate his opinion. If not, than wheres the "Executive Privilege" come in?  

I had to look this up.  You may or may not be right about this particular issue; but in the grand scheme of things that I worry about in this country, this just doesn't even come close to making the list.

Small news.  Nobody cares.

FatAddict wrote:But, bandwidth,  and my projected life expectancy, do not allow a full disclosure of the crimes, malfeasances, and treasons of this Administration.

Again, what specific "crimes, malfeasances, and treasons" are you referring to?  

FatAddict wrote:So, my suggestion to you, if you have a millimeter of open mind left through which to filter some logic and common sense, is just work backwords from Johnson's White House abetted stonewalling before Congress, and you will find plenty of fodder with which to indict Dick Cheney and George Bush. Eight years of it, in fact.

Perhaps that millimeter of open mind is just too small to understand how a conversation or debate can center on vague, nebulous, gratuitous assertions of unidentified "crimes, malfeasances, and treasons".

Please.  Provide SOMETHING ...... ANYTHING .... that can actually be discussed.  And don't bother with this Johnson/EPA story.  No one cares.

Well, if "nobody cares", why are you asking for more information? I have provided you with the most recent example of executive abuse of power, therefore the most researchable. In all truth, if you haven't followed Johnson's saga, then how the hell do you know if "nobody cares"? Besuides the fact that California, and a number of other states are currently sueing the EPA  overe this issue that "nobody cares" about.


But really, if a number of government agents ignoring Congressional subpoenas are the grist of what people like yourself "don't care about", then this "conversation" is rather moot, is it not? Seems to me whatever example I present for your examination will be met with the same sort of purposeful diversion masquerading as collective apathy.

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? But when the incoming Dem Pres is exercising the same scale of abuses, don't say some of us didn't warn you.

Or, hey, gee, maybe no one will notice.

FatAddict wrote:Well, if "nobody cares", why are you asking for more information? I have provided you with the most recent example of executive abuse of power, therefore the most researchable. In all truth, if you haven't followed Johnson's saga, then how the hell do you know if "nobody cares"? Besuides the fact that California, and a number of other states are currently sueing the EPA  overe this issue that "nobody cares" about.


But really, if a number of government agents ignoring Congressional subpoenas are the grist of what people like yourself "don't care about", then this "conversation" is rather moot, is it not? Seems to me whatever example I present for your examination will be met with the same sort of purposeful diversion masquerading as collective apathy.

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? But when the incoming Dem Pres is exercising the same scale of abuses, don't say some of us didn't warn you.

Or, hey, gee, maybe no one will notice.

Look, Fatty, I asked you to explain what you were talking about.  You disregarded what I said and went straight for what Eyas said.  Perhaps you just don't like women?  Hmmm?  

I also looked up your Johnson reference and found it to be the same thing..an environmental wacko piece of tripe.

You said "Bush's unprecedented abuse of executive powers, and his dictatorial interpretation of the role of the POTUS."

I want to know exactly what you are talking about.  Apparently, you don't want to share and it's too much trouble for you to get specific instead of throwing out these types of remarks at random without anything specific.  Or..perhaps you just don't like conversing with women..hmmm?  

If it is just your opinion, then elaborate on just exactly what your basis is for making these remarks so that we may have a dialogue.  Otherwise, I'm going to "perform a Paleocon" and put you on ignore.

Ladies and Gentlemen, you already know that “Fatty” is a bloviating provocateur just trying to get your goat.  He will never state anything specifically.  Bush has done some stupid things.  But, claiming executive privilege is hardly unique to the Bush administration.  

I am laughing about the vague claims of "Bush's unprecedented abuse of executive powers, and his dictatorial interpretation of the role of the POTUS."  All these Marxists suffer from BDS yet they can never explain how a signal facet of their, or our, liberty has been infringed by this guy.  It is almost as if somebody found 900 personal FBI files in George and Laura’s bedrooms and not in Bill and Hillary’s.  

I suggest you place “Fatty” on pre-emptive ignore and save yourselves a lot of grief.  Arguing with someone in full-blown BDS is much more painful than beating your head against the wall.