Why is there so much controversy over Medicare paying for nonmandatory end of life discussion? I went thru this with both my mother and father. We sat down with their Dr when they first became ill and they made their choices. The only difference was we had to pay for the conference. They then did a living will clearly stating their wishes. What is wrong with this?

I think what is wrong, is the government predetermining when your end of life is. Then telling you to get counseled and make your choices because after a certain age or a certain illness, no further medical care will be provided. So, in effect the government kills you off when your no longer of any use. They can't even get rid of convicted murders with the death penalty and now they want to have the right to kill off law biding citizens? I think there are few questions, perceptions, and unintended consequences the public should be looking into before giving the government that kind of authority.

There is nothing in there "forcing" you to get end of life counseling. It just will pay for it if you want it. I think this is a bunch of hogwash saying they are trying to kill off old people.

jrg907 wrote:There is nothing in there "forcing" you to get end of life counseling. It just will pay for it if you want it. I think this is a bunch of hogwash saying they are trying to kill off old people.

Uh, no.  You will be required to discuss end of life with a member of an end of life group formed by a Healthcare czar (his title will actually be commissioner).  You will not get services that you get now.  What your parents went thru is the way it should be.  They talked with their doctor.  Their doctor.  They made choices.  They made the choices.  They were not forced to make the choices from a Government list of choices given to you by effectually a bureaucrat.  

Please go to www.lafferhealthcarereport.org and read what this monster of a bill really says and stop being so naive as to think the Democrats don't want you dead when you get to the age where you'll begin needing more healthcare.  Oh, and by the way, Obama's Czar said that children are not humans until they're grown and seasoned.  So, expect to see the afterbirth abortions Obama voted for while a state senator to reappear once this bill is passed.

I'd like to point out something.  When Roe vs Wade was decided, abortions became legal in the first trimester.  The Democrats pushed this and pushed this to the point where perfectly healthy babies at 9 months term could be partially pulled out and have their brains sucked out prior to taking their first breath (partial birth abortion).  

This healthcare bill is no different.   If it passes it will escalate and escalate until you'll probably have to go to be put down at the age of 70 if you have any health problem at all because you will cost too much to let live.  

Do not deceive yourself about this bill.  It is much worse than you can even imagine and these Democrats are socialists and communists who wish to bring the country down and impose rules to follow from cradle to grave.

I think there is one lesson we are ignoring, "What comes around, goes around!" If we are going to follow the examples of these liberal, flower power children who through the 60's and 70's discarded their parents like disposable waste into old folks homes because they couldn't be bothered, then expect to be discarded when it is your time. The liberals are responsible for this entire mess, and I believe that they are the ones to be discarded and ignored. No more of this kind of politics. Lets put common sense and reason back into politics. This liberal BS must not be followed any further.

I hate to tell you but I was one of those flower childs of the 60's and 70's. I also sat with both of my parents as they took their last breath. Most of those flower children grew up to be responsible adults, including I would like to think me. Generally, generalization does not work. (Just in case you missed it, that was a pretty clever play on words)

Check you health insurance policy. A large percentage will pay for the dreaded end of life discussion already. Interesting.

I've never seen or thought of such a thing...end of life discussion.  That is something you discuss with a lawyer and your kids...then you may or may not how any document to the doctor. YOur children may if necessary.  What these deviants want to do is that you SHALL have this discussion with a bureaucrat and that bureaucrat discourages any changes in your initial decision.    We are currently reading the bill and also listened to a former attorney general discuss the matter this evening.   This is a bad bill and not good for either our seniors and children UP TO 15, particularly the unborn and children born with birth defects either mental or physical.  

Tell you what.  If you want an end of life discussion and you can have one now...then it doesn't need to be proclaimed and established in some health care bill that is not wanted or needed....especially NEEDED.

jrg907 wrote:I hate to tell you but I was one of those flower childs of the 60's and 70's. I also sat with both of my parents as they took their last breath. Most of those flower children grew up to be responsible adults, including I would like to think me. Generally, generalization does not work. (Just in case you missed it, that was a pretty clever play on words)

no flower child of those times has grown up to be responsible adults....obviously STILL they want someone else to pay for something THEY should be paying for.   All the while as they focus on destroying the psyche of children not their own.  I remember those flower children.  What a sorry bunch of ignoramuses...and they're the same today except for the fact that some of them are coming up with these ideas.

Logan's Run.   Read the article and weep...cause if this thing passes...the flower children are next on the list along with the rest of us...and you're no exception.

http://enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0809/0809grandmarun.htm