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DRILL HERE AND STOP EXPORTING 1.46 MILLION BARRELS A DAY

DRILL NOW IN THE 68 MILLION ACRES ALREADY LEASED

SAVE 5 CENTS IN 10 YEARS

NEW REFINERIES ONLY IN YOUR BACK YARD

NUCLEAR IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD

STOP THE FASCIST GOP AND THEIR CORPORATE GREED!!

bedbug wrote:At least try to be original. Coming in here and posting DNC talking points is a bit amateurish. Here we deal in facts and thoughtful debate, not regurgitation of factually inaccurate campaign slogans.

SoldiersMum wrote:

what wrote:

Unbelieveable.  Has the door to the Socialists ever swung open around here.  more name calling i see

First, if we just stopped buying oil what will happen to the economy?  who said to stop buying oil??

It would tank and we realize that is exactly what the Communist Party DNC is trying to accomplish.  thank god that i am the only one admonished for name calling. can you get your bile straight?? am i a socialist or a communist??

When the citizens finally realize this, you people will be in deep kimshi. too bad no one said to stop buying oil. well unless we get off the oil teet, we would not NEED IT. see how that works?? What is Kimshi anyway??

The leases that are already in existence will not yield enough oil to make it worth the expense of drilling. so says WHO ?? You or Rush ??

Are you some kind of moron?  no name calling please, LOL

The oil companies are in the business to get oil. WRONG !! they are in the business of MAKING MONEY off the backs of AMERICANS.

If there were oil there, they would have already drilled there.  really, then NONE of those 68 million acres has ONE DROP OF OIL ??  you are just not talking reality here. why would they pay for the lease to the land if it was DRY OF OIL?? they certainly are not that good at their chosen profession if they did that.  maybe they are manipulating the market so they can make MORE $$$$$ they leased the land so NO ONE ELSE can drill there. maybe they should stop exproting 1.5 million barrels a day t help their beloved country in this time of cirsis ?? MAYBE !!

Your 5 cents is a Communist Party DNC talking point and it is totally false. NAme calling again and i got that number from the BUSH department of ENERGY.  are they the commies that you are so scared of ??

I would accept a nuclear or a oil refinery in my backyard if it would help the U.S. become energy independent.  to bad John Behnner will not .  You do know that nuclear power is very expensive and is a wee bit dangeraous. just ask the floks around 3 mile island or chernobel.   I owuld love to see the stacks in your backyard, because i know if they offered you the option you would say no. not just no, but HELL no.

I realize the socialists have rewritten history but calling the GOP fascist is ridiculous.  Fascism is leftist, not right.
Here are the qualities of fascism.  They apply to the Communist Party DNC.

WOW, now we are fascists TOO. now i have three to choose from. thanks for taking the debate to a mature level. i knew you would not dissapoint.

Extreme militaristic nationalism
Contempt for electoral democracy
Political and cultural liberalism
A belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites
The desire to create a  “people’s community”, in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation.
Silencing dissenting voice

All you need is for your Dictator-in-Waiting, Gyorgy Soros, to step forward and tell the citizens of the U.S. that Barack Obama was his stand-in, and we are now the United Socialist States of America in preparation for his communist Global Open Society.  When that happens, the real Revolution can begin.  You know, the one for Freedom and Liberty.

SoldiersMum wrote:

what wrote:

Unbelieveable.  Has the door to the Socialists ever swung open around here.  more name calling i see   Sorry.  I should not have used this sentence, even if it is true, because I wouldn't want to offend your sensibilities.  

First, if we just stopped buying oil what will happen to the economy?  who said to stop buying oil??   You said export.  I said buy.  I'm guessing you were talking about our selling our oil to Japan.  Other than that I have no clue what you were talking about.  I must watch closer in the future to match you word for word.  You're great at skewing the meaning of words and it makes the point of the discussion go away.  

It would tank and we realize that is exactly what the Communist Party DNC is trying to accomplish.  thank god that i am the only one admonished for name calling. can you get your bile straight?? am i a socialist or a communist??   The Democrat Party has been taken over.  You know it, Zell Miller knows it, Joe Lieberman knows it, and so do scores of other people know it.  Afterall, George Soros via his Moveon organization declared they own the Democrat Party lock, stock and barrel after the 2006 election.   Nancy Pelosi has mornings briefings with them to establish strategy.    Truly, there's not much difference.  There's the socialists being led by Pelosi and Reid and the communists being led by Soros, Obama, Kennedy, Clinton, et al.   The socialists will turn us into the USSR as a precursor to the communism Soros wishes to impose on the world with his Open Society.    I asked you that question, which one are you? Well, which one is it?  Please tell me why you wish to turn this country into a nanny state and impose socialism and/or communism upon its people?

When the citizens finally realize this, you people will be in deep kimshi. too bad no one said to stop buying oil. well unless we get off the oil teet, we would not NEED IT. see how that works?? What is Kimshi anyway??  Again, I said buy, you said export.  I'm not actually sure what you are talking about..is it that we sell Alaskan oil to Japan or what?  Oil goes to the most economical place.  It is part of the supply that speculators bid on which raises the price of crude.  We need to harvest our own oil in Alaska, the Western States and off the coast of the eastern US to increase the supply and so the speculators will bid the prices down.  Do you realize how much money is sitting in shale in the Western states alone?  More than in all of the Middle East.  I'm not keen on drilling in CA or off its coast because of the geological instabilities, however, we could pay off our national debt, we could stop importing oil from our enemies and we could spend alot of that money on developing alternative energy.   Again, here's my example, the horse and buggy were not outlawed back in the day because sometime in the future there would be automobiles.  When we have alternative energies, distribution systems, and vehicles to accommodate those energies, then we should wean ourselves off OUR oil.  The Democrat Party has an agenda and that agenda is to kill the economy.

The leases that are already in existence will not yield enough oil to make it worth the expense of drilling. so says WHO ?? You or Rush ??   Uh..no.  This has been reported all over the internet.  Google it.  Here's one source for you..The Wall Street Journal..hardly a conservative rag.

http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB121478199392114387.html

Are you some kind of moron?  no name calling please, LOL  Twist those words again.  I never called you a moron.  I merely asked you if you are a moron.

The oil companies are in the business to get oil. WRONG !! they are in the business of MAKING MONEY off the backs of AMERICANS.   Wrong again.  Fifty-five million families in the U.S. own stock in oil companies.  They aren't in the business to take money off the backs of their shareholders.  They are in the business of getting oil.  They are oil companies.  That is their product.  That is their business.  Additionally, making 8 cents off a gallon of gas is not gouging.  The Federal Government is taking 3 times that in taxes.

http://www.energytomorrow.org/economy/default.aspx?id=27


If there were oil there, they would have already drilled there.  really, then NONE of those 68 million acres has ONE DROP OF OIL ??  you are just not talking reality here. why would they pay for the lease to the land if it was DRY OF OIL?? they certainly are not that good at their chosen profession if they did that.  maybe they are manipulating the market so they can make MORE $$$$$ they leased the land so NO ONE ELSE can drill there. maybe they should stop exproting 1.5 million barrels a day t help their beloved country in this time of cirsis ?? MAYBE !!  The oil companies lease the land to find oil.  If they have found any oil on the 68 million acres, they are being prohibited from harvesting it by the environmentalists who sue everytime they try.  There are 3 primary people who are stopping drilling.  They sue at every opportunity.  They are John Flicker of the National Audobon Society, Francis Beneki, Natural Resources Council and Trip Von Noppen of Earth Justice.  They are stopping the oil companies from drilling anywhere there is a possibility of finding oil on any leased lands by suing and tying up any attempts to drill and also of building new refineries which we sorely need.  The  oil companies lease the land for 10 years and they pay billions for the leases.  After 10 years, if they have not found oil or they have been prohibited from drilling, the leases end and the Government keeps their lease money.  

Your 5 cents is a Communist Party DNC talking point and it is totally false. NAme calling again and i got that number from the BUSH department of ENERGY.  are they the commies that you are so scared of ??  Uh..no you didn't.  You got it from Nancy, Harry, Ted, Dick, Barack and the rest of the socialists and/or communists who are attempting to bring down the United States of America and capitalism.  If the name fits, wear it.

I would accept a nuclear or a oil refinery in my backyard if it would help the U.S. become energy independent.  to bad John Behnner will not .  You do know that nuclear power is very expensive and is a wee bit dangeraous. just ask the floks around 3 mile island or chernobel.   I owuld love to see the stacks in your backyard, because i know if they offered you the option you would say no. not just no, but HELL no.   One of the problems is that your party and the environmentalists will not allow recycling of nuclear material.  If this were allowed, the price would come down and there would be much less waste.  No one died at 3 mile Island.   The 1979accident at Three Mile Island Unit 2 was the worst nuclear accident outside the Soviet Union (INES score of 5). The reactor experienced a partial core meltdown. However, according to the NRC, the reactor vessel and containment building were not breached and little radiation was released to the environment, with no significant impact on health or the environment. Several studies have found no increase in cancer rates.   The Chernobyl disaster in 1986 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic  (now Ukraine) was the worst nuclear accident in history and is the only event to receive an INES score of 7. The power excursion and resulting steam explosion and fire spread radioactive contamination across large portions of Europe. The UN report 'CHERNOBYL : THE TRUE SCALE OF THE ACCIDENT' published 2005 concluded that the death toll includes the 50 workers who died of acute radiation syndrome, nine children who died from thyroid cancer, and an estimated 4000 excess cancer deaths in the future.   This accident occurred due to both the flawed operation of the reactors and critical design flaws in the Soviet RBMK reactors, such as lack of a containment building. This disaster however has led to some "lessons learned" for Western power plants, large improvements in safety at Soviet-designed nuclear power plants and major improvements to the remaining RBMK reactors.  

I live right now approximately 10 miles away from a nuclear power plant.  In the winter, I can see the stacks.  I am not worried about a meltdown.  Surely, you must realize being the smart cookie that you are, that many improvements have been made to nuclear power plants since either of these accidents.  Also, France is powered approximately 78% by nuclear and they aren't melting down.  

I realize the socialists have rewritten history but calling the GOP fascist is ridiculous.  Fascism is leftist, not right.
Here are the qualities of fascism.  They apply to the Communist Party DNC.

WOW, now we are fascists TOO. now i have three to choose from. thanks for taking the debate to a mature level. i knew you would not dissapoint.   Glad to make you so happy.  Perhaps you will discuss these points I have listed versus attacking me and my discussion of what Fascism really is.  I did not come up with these ideologies by myself.  I pulled them from Wikipedia, hardly a rightwing source.  Look them up yourself.  I truly don't see much difference in these qualities and those of socialism and communism.  So, again, what are you?  A Socialist or a Communist and why?

Extreme militaristic nationalism
Contempt for electoral democracy
Political and cultural liberalism
A belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites
The desire to create a  “people’s community”, in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation.
Silencing dissenting voice

All you need is for your Dictator-in-Waiting, Gyorgy Soros, to step forward and tell the citizens of the U.S. that Barack Obama was his stand-in, and we are now the United Socialist States of America in preparation for his communist Global Open Society.  When that happens, the real Revolution can begin.  You know, the one for Freedom and Liberty.

SoldiersMum wrote:

SoldiersMum wrote:

what wrote:

Unbelieveable.  Has the door to the Socialists ever swung open around here.  more name calling i see   Sorry.  I should not have used this sentence, even if it is true, because I wouldn't want to offend your sensibilities.  

First, if we just stopped buying oil what will happen to the economy?  who said to stop buying oil??   You said export.  I said buy.  I'm guessing you were talking about our selling our oil to Japan.  Other than that I have no clue what you were talking about.  I must watch closer in the future to match you word for word.  You're great at skewing the meaning of words and it makes the point of the discussion go away.  

We ARE exporting 1.5 million barrels a day. why not stop selling our OIL, when we need it so much (according to the GOP)

It would tank and we realize that is exactly what the Communist Party DNC is trying to accomplish.  thank god that i am the only one admonished for name calling. can you get your bile straight?? am i a socialist or a communist??   The Democrat Party has been taken over.  You know it, Zell Miller knows it, Joe Lieberman knows it, and so do scores of other people know it.  Afterall, George Soros via his Moveon organization declared they own the Democrat Party lock, stock and barrel after the 2006 election.   Nancy Pelosi has mornings briefings with them to establish strategy.    Truly, there's not much difference.  There's the socialists being led by Pelosi and Reid and the communists being led by Soros, Obama, Kennedy, Clinton, et al.   The socialists will turn us into the USSR as a precursor to the communism Soros wishes to impose on the world with his Open Society.    I asked you that question, which one are you? Well, which one is it?  Please tell me why you wish to turn this country into a nanny state and impose socialism and/or communism upon its people?

I am an AMERICAN who sees what the scourge of GOP rule has done to our country. along with 70% of my fellow AMERICANS of course.

When the citizens finally realize this, you people will be in deep kimshi. too bad no one said to stop buying oil. well unless we get off the oil teet, we would not NEED IT. see how that works?? What is Kimshi anyway??  .  The Democrat Party has an agenda and that agenda is to kill the economy.

The Dems are the ones bent on killing the economy?? are you on some sort of prescription drug?? Do you read?? or watch any news other than Faux?? WOW.


The leases that are already in existence will not yield enough oil to make it worth the expense of drilling. so says WHO ?? You or Rush ??   Uh..no.  This has been reported all over the internet.  Google it.  Here's one source for you..The Wall Street Journal..hardly a conservative rag.


Wall street journal?? LOL why not post fox news as a source. the funny part is that yoru "factual" story is on the OPINION PAGE and does NOT have any facts to back the authors CLAIM.

http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB121478199392114387.html

Are you some kind of moron?  no name calling please, LOL  Twist those words again.  I never called you a moron.  I merely asked you if you are a moron.  

Are you a dumb WHORE ?? just asking, LOL

The oil companies are in the business to get oil. WRONG !! they are in the business of MAKING MONEY off the backs of AMERICANS.   Wrong again.  Fifty-five million families in the U.S. own stock in oil companies.  They aren't in the business to take money off the backs of their shareholders.  They are in the business of getting oil.  They are oil companies.  That is their product.  That is their business.  Additionally, making 8 cents off a gallon of gas is not gouging.  The Federal Government is taking 3 times that in taxes.

So making money is not the goal fo investors?? DO you really have a working mind??  

http://www.energytomorrow.org/economy/default.aspx?id=27


If there were oil there, they would have already drilled there.  really, then NONE of those 68 million acres has ONE DROP OF OIL ??  you are just not talking reality here. why would they pay for the lease to the land if it was DRY OF OIL?? they certainly are not that good at their chosen profession if they did that.  maybe they are manipulating the market so they can make MORE $$$$$ they leased the land so NO ONE ELSE can drill there. maybe they should stop exproting 1.5 million barrels a day t help their beloved country in this time of cirsis ?? MAYBE !!  The oil companies lease the land to find oil.  If they have found any oil on the 68 million acres, they are being prohibited from harvesting it by the environmentalists who sue everytime they try.  There are 3 primary people who are stopping drilling.  They sue at every opportunity.  They are John Flicker of the National Audobon Society, Francis Beneki, Natural Resources Council and Trip Von Noppen of Earth Justice.  They are stopping the oil companies from drilling anywhere there is a possibility of finding oil on any leased lands by suing and tying up any attempts to drill and also of building new refineries which we sorely need.  The  oil companies lease the land for 10 years and they pay billions for the leases.  After 10 years, if they have not found oil or they have been prohibited from drilling, the leases end and the Government keeps their lease money.  

Your OPINION is noted.



Your 5 cents is a Communist Party DNC talking point and it is totally false. NAme calling again and i got that number from the BUSH department of ENERGY.  are they the commies that you are so scared of ??  Uh..no you didn't.  You got it from Nancy, Harry, Ted, Dick, Barack and the rest of the socialists and/or communists who are attempting to bring down the United States of America and capitalism.  If the name fits, wear it.

Wrong , you love the google why not use it to find FACTS instead of OPINION??

The Energy Information Administration updated their 2004 report on the ANWR 10-02 area in May, 2008 (graph left). Their Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is abundantly clear on what we can expect from ANWR.

The era of easy, cheap oil has come and gone. You don't have to take my word for it, just read what the EIA says about the timing of production at ANWR. I will only quote the highlights. Look at page 3 of the EIA's report for the whole story. This section gets a bit technical. Sorry about that.

This analysis assumes that enactment of the legislation in 2008 would result in first production from the ANWR area in 10 years, i.e., 2018. The primary constraints to a rapid development of ANWR oil resources are the limited weather “windows” for collecting seismic data and drilling wells (a 3-to-4 month winter window) and for ocean barging of heavy infrastructure equipment to the well site (a 2-to-3 month summer window).

The assumption that ANWR oil production would begin 10 years after legislation approves the Federal oil and natural gas leasing in the 1002 Area is based on the following 8-to-12 year timeline:

• 2 to 3 years to obtain leases, including the development of a U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) leasing program, which includes approval of an Environmental Impact Statement, the collection and analysis of seismic data, and the auction and award of leases.
• 2 to 3 years to drill a single exploratory well. Exploratory wells are slower to drill because geophysical data are collected during drilling, e.g., rock cores and well logs. Typically, Alaska North Slope exploration wells take two full winter seasons to reach the desired depth...
• 3 to 4 years to construct the feeder pipelines; to fabricate oil separation and treatment plants, and transport them up from the lower-48 States to the North Slope by ocean barge; construct drilling pads; drill to depth; and complete the wells...

[And so on]

I would accept a nuclear or a oil refinery in my backyard if it would help the U.S. become energy independent.  to bad John Behnner will not .  You do know that nuclear power is very expensive and is a wee bit dangeraous. just ask the floks around 3 mile island or chernobel.   I owuld love to see the stacks in your backyard, because i know if they offered you the option you would say no. not just no, but HELL no.   One of the problems is that your party and the environmentalists will not allow recycling of nuclear material.  If this were allowed, the price would come down and there would be much less waste.  No one died at 3 mile Island.   The 1979accident at Three Mile Island Unit 2 was the worst nuclear accident outside the Soviet Union (INES score of 5). The reactor experienced a partial core meltdown. However, according to the NRC, the reactor vessel and containment building were not breached and little radiation was released to the environment, with no significant impact on health or the environment. Several studies have found no increase in cancer rates.   The Chernobyl disaster in 1986 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic  (now Ukraine) was the worst nuclear accident in history and is the only event to receive an INES score of 7. The power excursion and resulting steam explosion and fire spread radioactive contamination across large portions of Europe. The UN report 'CHERNOBYL : THE TRUE SCALE OF THE ACCIDENT' published 2005 concluded that the death toll includes the 50 workers who died of acute radiation syndrome, nine children who died from thyroid cancer, and an estimated 4000 excess cancer deaths in the future.   This accident occurred due to both the flawed operation of the reactors and critical design flaws in the Soviet RBMK reactors, such as lack of a containment building. This disaster however has led to some "lessons learned" for Western power plants, large improvements in safety at Soviet-designed nuclear power plants and major improvements to the remaining RBMK reactors.  

I live right now approximately 10 miles away from a nuclear power plant.  In the winter, I can see the stacks.  I am not worried about a meltdown.  Surely, you must realize being the smart cookie that you are, that many improvements have been made to nuclear power plants since either of these accidents.  Also, France is powered approximately 78% by nuclear and they aren't melting down.  

I realize the socialists have rewritten history but calling the GOP fascist is ridiculous.  Fascism is leftist, not right.
Here are the qualities of fascism.  They apply to the Communist Party DNC.

WOW, now we are fascists TOO. now i have three to choose from. thanks for taking the debate to a mature level. i knew you would not dissapoint.   Glad to make you so happy.  Perhaps you will discuss these points I have listed versus attacking me and my discussion of what Fascism really is.  I did not come up with these ideologies by myself.  I pulled them from Wikipedia, hardly a rightwing source.  Look them up yourself.  I truly don't see much difference in these qualities and those of socialism and communism.  So, again, what are you?  A Socialist or a Communist and why?

Extreme militaristic nationalism
Contempt for electoral democracy
Political and cultural liberalism
A belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites
The desire to create a  “people’s community”, in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation.
Silencing dissenting voice

All you need is for your Dictator-in-Waiting, Gyorgy Soros, to step forward and tell the citizens of the U.S. that Barack Obama was his stand-in, and we are now the United Socialist States of America in preparation for his communist Global Open Society.  When that happens, the real Revolution can begin.  You know, the one for Freedom and Liberty.

your rant would not be complete without a George Soros reference. Rush has taught you well, grasshopper. No reference to Sun Yun Moon ?? why not ?? he is yoru appointed King and all.
LOL

George Soros is the groomer of the current DNC nominee.  Afterall, Obama was a street organizer and trainer for George Soros' organization ACORN and George Soros has even been seen with Obama in Rev. Wright's church.  William Ayers is a Maoist; Obama is a Marxist, as is HRC.  They were great students of Saul Alinsky and Obama learned his ideology in his youth from Frank Marshall Davis. He even mentions his communist role model in his book.   I am not speaking of Rush to you; he is well-respected as the #1 Conservative Talk Radio Host ,and he doesn't need me defending him.    Using a reference to him to smack me down on my intelligence is neither here nor there to me.   I am speaking of the takeover of the DNC, the damage they are doing to this country and what their agenda is for socializing the nation.  

Again, I request that you provide factual data with your discussions.  It's all well and good to hold your opinion, you have that right.  However, stop twisting people's words and stop declaring something a fact without anything to base it on.  You only show yourself to be a professional at spewing the agenda and talking points of the DNC.  We've heard them all before and frankly they hold little water.

what wrote:Are you a dumb WHORE ?? just asking, LOL

admin wrote:

what wrote:Are you a dumb WHORE ?? just asking, LOL

Just your typical compassionate liberal.  Aren't they sweet!  It only took a few days before the true colors came out!  cya what!!  A class act through and through...  His mother must be sooo proud!

So long what - we'll always have Paris

soldiersmum wrote: Are you some kind of moron?

what wrote: no name calling please, LOL

soldiersmum wrote: Twist those words again.  I never called you a moron. I merely asked if you are a moron