paleocon wrote:

davidmfarrar wrote:This subject is really too long to discuss here -- and besides, I get paid for this type of consultation -- but suffice it to say, we now can see why our political party structure must move into a post-Internet structure as quickly as possible.

One of the most important aspects of this new paradigm, one that, as I see it, has been largely overlooked by party officials, is the fact that "efficient" communication isn't a one-way street.  Under the right structure,  elected public officeholders and party officials will also be able to communicate with their base virtually free of cost by a simple touch of a button. So using the Internet to its fullest within the party structure represents a true win-win situation for both members and registered members alike in the democratic process.

Well, now you are venturing into the area where I get paid for consultation.  Everyone thinks the Internet is "free."  It is relatively less expensive than other information systems but building the kind of systems to provide the "efficient" two-way communications you speak of is not free.  People make millions of dollars building those kinds of systems.  "Free" gets you a forum or wiki chat not much different from this one.

The cost to design and maintain such a web presence is not as much as you think -- which is why I get paid a consulation fee in this area and you don't.  

In fact, far from costing the Party anything to design and maintain, or its registered members (users), such a web presence can be a (Gross, not a Net) income generator from the very start -- but I am sure you know this already. If you don't, just let me know where I can send my $150,000 consultating fee invoice to you, sign a "Non-compete, Non-disclose" agreement,  and we can discuss this matter in detail.  

A Good Working Model could be Military.com. If You are unfamiliar with the Site, click on Community, then Message Boards. It has a good format, Spell Check, Posts from around the World, and Anyone can Join. This Board is Tightly Monitored and Justice is Swift.

http://www.military.com/Page/0,12170,1-OO-0,00.htm

davidmfarrar wrote:
The cost to design and maintain such a web presence is not as much as you think -- which is why I get paid a consulation fee in this area and you don't.  

In fact, far from costing the Party anything to design and maintain, or its registered members (users), such a web presence can be a (Gross, not a Net) income generator from the very start -- but I am sure you know this already. If you don't, just let me know where I can send my $150,000 consultating fee invoice to you, sign a "Non-compete, Non-disclose" agreement,  and we can discuss this matter in detail.  

I think you just made my point.  $150,000 is NOT FREE.

And, by the way, I design and build networks for a living and I only charge $130 an hour.

paleocon wrote:

davidmfarrar wrote:
The cost to design and maintain such a web presence is not as much as you think -- which is why I get paid a consulation fee in this area and you don't.  

In fact, far from costing the Party anything to design and maintain, or its registered members (users), such a web presence can be a (Gross, not a Net) income generator from the very start -- but I am sure you know this already. If you don't, just let me know where I can send my $150,000 consulting fee invoice to you, sign a "Non-compete, Non-disclose" agreement,  and we can discuss this matter in detail.  

I think you just made my point.  $150,000 is NOT FREE.

And, by the way, I design and build networks for a living and I only charge $130 an hour.

Good, I'll keep that in mind.

I apologize if I have confused you.  I didn't mean to imply the cost to design and maintain this type of web structure would be free.  All I am saying is that this investment will be born by others who will not only recoup their investment by advertising revenue, but will generate enough to pay members for their participation.  As I say, this is almost where the industry is at present.

For an example, go to my "entertainment" (revenue earning) website and check it out for yourself: Yuwie (by the way, I just posted an old "YouTube" video of Tom Wait, playing "The Piano has been drinking...not me"... Be forewarned! You will see advertising on this site. But it is harmless, non-viral commercials, and if you know where to look (in the extreme upper right-hand corner) you can find the direct URL to my site.

This type of SNS example basically follows the same funding paradigm of television, which I am sure we all are familiar with.  All we need do is to establish a poll section, together with the adoption of  Robert's Rules, together with sufficient archiving, and we are basically there.

So now that I have given you basically a $150,000 web idea, why don't you create the site*.  We will go into business as co-partners and kill two birds with one stone, i.e., cleaning up partisan politics while earning a little beer on the side?

*  I realize, of course,  $150,000 won't create the site, but it should give angles enough of an idea of what we are proposing to complete the funding.  And you, paleocon, will have gotten yourself a great, big, fat web-construction contract -- of which I will only require 30% commission after the first $150,000 is paid out on your contract. Fair enough?

NINE LEVELS of hierarchy between the top and bottom echelons of the NOLP?  I doubt many 19th century businesses had that many layers.  The internet and information age is about eliminating hierarchy and creating one large community.  Your model seems to be counter to a lot of significant cultural trends.

paleocon wrote:NINE LEVELS of hierarchy between the top and bottom echelons of the NOLP?  I doubt many 19th century businesses had that many layers.  The Internet and information age is about eliminating hierarchy and creating one large community.  Your model seems to be counter to a lot of significant cultural trends.

First and foremost, Paleocon; I deeply appreciate you taking the time to actually read my website. I am honored, sir, and will forever be in your debit.

What you say is quite true. It is important to understand that --- and I am sure you know this -- the Interent is a highly efficient communicative devise...some would say too efficient. Dividing the different levels up would accomplish two objectives: One, it would limit email communication to a manageable amount per member -- we don't want to overwhelm someone who is essentially a "volunteer" with hundreds of emails per day.

Secondly,  breaking up communication levels will allow us to reach everyone. I really mean this, I really want to design a website that will give everyone...everyone... a voice.   Now, how do we do this without overwhelming the next higher echelon with hundreds, if not thousands of emails? The only way I know of, is to create more levels of communication.

Thirdly, remember, we are talking about the Internet, cyber communication. While lowering the number of echelons in the real world is beneficial, even necessary, in cyber-space, we can utilize this freedom to divide-down and reach everybody. That is the real challenge here.

Anybody can design a web-presence that will allow a few people to communicate effectively, even communicate effectively with millions downward (one way). But how do you communicate effectively with millions both ways? How do you allow for that one "right" idea out of thousands, perhaps millions, to be infallibly recognized and moved upward through the echelon chain in a deliberative fashion, unerringly?

Of course, I am always open to better suggestions. God knows I have been wrong before in these kinds of things. But the object here is to have every voice heard and recorded and every vote counted and recorded so that with God's help and blessing that one priceless idea will be recognized and acted upon by the uppermost echelon decision-makers.