Somewhere, sometime, there will have to be a substantive discussion about the enduring problem of race, ethnic and cultural relations in the USA. Since our next President may be biracial, this dialogue, if honest, open,helpful and non-violent could help bring the deep seated antagonisms to the open for  airing the differences of opinion and perception.
I think that racism has diminished greatly in the last few decades. I do not think it is now the color of the skin so much as the content of the culture. If we are to be truthfull, I think a great many whites are disturbed at the coarsening of what I once thought could become the world's most elegant and uplifting culture. With the wealth at our disposal we could have had beautiful green spaces in our cities, classical music, beautiful art and a gentler way of life. Instead what we have is an admixture of non-integrating cultures, a Babel of languages, rap , hip hop and heavy metal music,loud sounds and homophobic lyrics. Many teachers in our schools cannot speak understandable English. Our so called art is a mishmash of splotches of ramdom color with no sense or meaning, metal castings of unexplainable objects that have no symmetry, or maybe a rendering of a Campbell's Soup can which is highly acclaimed by the ''experts''. Our literature and movies are mainly about tearing things up and/or killing someone or something. we are living in the age of the UGLY. A great deal of this is caused by those who choose not to be judgemental, who would not dare criticize those who transgress, who support many causes inimical to the good of society, who are against religion, biblical morality, and societal laws and mores.  To be cont.

restan wrote:. A great deal of this is caused by those who choose not to be judgemental, who would not dare criticize those who transgress, who support many causes inimical to the good of society, who are against religion, biblical morality, and societal laws and mores.  To be cont.

I'm just letting the judge of man do the judging. how bout you ??  what exactly is "biblical morality" ?   Like feed the poor, medicate the sick, peace,, inclusion, love thy enemy for they need it most,  help the elderly,  The meek shall inherit the earth, treat the earth with respect, kind of stuff???

the Yeti wrote:I'm just letting the judge of man do the judging. how bout you ??

Thats incredibly gracious of you.  My 'judge of man' says it's ok to borrow your car.  All good???

the Yeti wrote:what exactly is "biblical morality" ?

How about the morality as defined by the Bible???  Just a guess..

ultracon wrote:

the Yeti wrote:I'm just letting the judge of man do the judging. how bout you ??

Thats incredibly gracious of you.  My 'judge of man' says it's ok to borrow your car.  All good???

the Yeti wrote:what exactly is "biblical morality" ?

How about the morality as defined by the Bible???  Just a guess..

Examples please. Or do you agree with mine ??   Next time you eat a boned fish, wear clothes of differing thread types, or shave, go ahead and STONE YOURSELF.  LOL all good

Biblical morality is basically the 10 commandments. This of couse is a distillation of social laws and guides handed down since Hammurabi and attempts to enable people to live together in peace. If you leave all judging to appointed officials, then I guess in your world everything is ok unless a court rules differently.

restan wrote:Biblical morality is basically the 10 commandments. This of couse is a distillation of social laws and guides handed down since Hammurabi and attempts to enable people to live together in peace. If you leave all judging to appointed officials, then I guess in your world everything is ok unless a court rules differently.

I am leaving the Judging to God. its not my place to judge.   But i guess you prefer to judge others with your god like criteria.  he will appreciate the help.

This thread is supposed to be about promoting race and ethnic harmony. It will be very difficult to do this unless the different cultures can achieve some sort of parity in ideals and goals. Should we all embrace trash art and music, or should we aim for higher and better entertainment standards? Should we all want to go to schools that teach liberal indoctrination, accept social promotions, accept untrained teachers, and teach to standards below those of many developing countries, or should we strive for a system at least on par with other developed countries? Should we try to change our capitalistic economy that has proved successful, or  introduce some type of socialistic system that has proved a failure everywhere it has been tried? Should we encourage our school children to dress better, or just let them pick their own costumes? Should we encourage people who live in subsidized properties to maintain their properties in a clean and liveable condition, or should we not interfere?
If someone is given something, does he owe nothing back? Should our society be based on merit or should we continue to try to ''even the playing field'' by dumbing down the achievers? Should we push people upward, or in the interest of equality push them down to the middle of the pack? How does man become the best he can be?
With a hand- up or a hand- out? By giving a fish, or teaching him how to fish? Men are really not equal in their talents, do we encourage all to improve, or do we accept mediocrity?

Yeti, you can do whatever you like. I'm sure you have given it a lot of thought and if a neighbor plays his stereo too loudly for you to sleep, or if his dog pees on your lawn, let the judge handle it.

restan wrote:This thread is supposed to be about promoting race and ethnic harmony. It will be very difficult to do this unless the different cultures can achieve some sort of parity in ideals and goals. Should we all embrace trash art and music (NO), or should we aim for higher and better entertainment standards (Yes)? Should we all want to go to schools that teach liberal indoctrination (free/critical thinkers is what we want) , accept social promotions (Nope), accept untrained teachers (hell no), and teach to standards below those of many developing countries (no way), or should we strive for a system at least on par with other developed countries ( tell it like it is brother) ? Should we try to change our capitalistic economy that has proved successful (success?? you got me here. certainly not recently) , or  introduce some type of socialistic system that has proved a failure everywhere it has been tried (we're back) ? Should we encourage our school children to dress better ( why not) , or just let them pick their own costumes ( now costumes could be fun now that you mention it) ? Should we encourage people who live in subsidized properties to maintain their properties in a clean and liveable condition (we dont do that already??), or should we not interfere?
If someone is given something, does he owe nothing back ( i would hope so) ? Should our society be based on merit or should we continue to try to ''even the playing field'' by dumbing down the achievers ( I say merit) ? Should we push people upward, or in the interest of equality push them down to the middle of the pack ( up) ? How does man become the best he can be?
With a hand- up or a hand- out? By giving a fish, or teaching him how to fish? Men are really not equal in their talents, do we encourage all to improve, or do we accept mediocrity?

Well said. I knew we could agree on something

lets just stop selling the fishing ponds to the corporations so they can make fishing too expensive for those recently taught to fish.

restan wrote:Yeti, you can do whatever you like. I'm sure you have given it a lot of thought and if a neighbor plays his stereo too loudly for you to sleep, or if his dog pees on your lawn, let the judge handle it.

Now i have a feeling that you know what i meant. But it's OK if you want to keep your head in the sand. i understand, you're embarrassed by your actions and when the real judge, judges you, it may get a bit uncomfortable.