Chuck 4 U wrote:Guys crying about conservative values so did the roman senate. Which by the way has nothing to do with Christian values. A christian is not a political activist seeking to set up an earthly kingdom, but a born-again believer seeking a heavenly kingdom. Jesus is Jewish and not  a Gentile political activist. If America does not stop sinning all of your political saviors combined will not stop the wrath of God upon her. Sin, not politics is the enemy of America.  
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Politicing won't get rid of sin. only the precious Jewish blood of Jesus

Again, .....rur???????????

The Great Owl wrote:I've considered myself "conservative" since the Reagan years (and I'm still a pretty young guy).  I've NEVER considered myself a "liberal" (at least in the modern form of the term) NEVER voted "democrat" and absolutely abhor "democracy" for what it is...mob rule where 51% can vote away the rights and wealth of the other 49%.  I am vehemantly opposed to communism, socialism, and any other form of authoritarian collectivism in any of their forms.
That being said, I'm a little disolutioned over the current definition of "conservative" versus what originally had me defining myself as such...   SO, I'm interested to see what beliefs and ideals people here hold that defines them as "conservative".

I have had similar thoughts and I am trying to focus my thoughts on what I feel are basic conservative values.  I have been reading and trying to put my own thoughts down as a method of clearing it all up in my mind.  For what it's worth,

The "pillars" of conservatism - http://www.politibyte.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=39

Chuck 4 U wrote:Guys crying about conservative values so did the roman senate. Which by the way has nothing to do with Christian values. A christian is not a political activist seeking to set up an earthly kingdom, but a born-again believer seeking a heavenly kingdom. Jesus is Jewish and not  a Gentile political activist. If America does not stop sinning all of your political saviors combined will not stop the wrath of God upon her. Sin, not politics is the enemy of America.  
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Politicing won't get rid of sin. only the precious Jewish blood of Jesus

I'm sorry but we were discussing "conservative" values and principles.  We were not discussing "Christian" values or principles or "Christian conservative" or even "conservative Christian" values and principles.  

Now, you might want to start a topic in the forum to discuss those matters.  As I am a Conservative Christian and a Christian Conservative I might be interested in joining the discussion.  But, otherwise you just interrupted a conversation that was discussing a completely different topic.  That is hardly polite.    Take a look at James 1:19 - "My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak..."

I could write a book about what being a conservative means.  The simplistic view is that the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution of the United States are the recipe for a particular kind of government and society.  If we don't follow the recipe, or change it in any way we  run the risk of producing a failure.  Considering that the basic structure of this country is based on the Ten Commandments it belies the advocacy of any activity or behavior that is "immoral".
      To address the economic situation one could consider the last of the commandments which admonishes everyone to not covet what belongs to another.  The cost of open-ended capitolism is that there are no checks on greed and usury, thus we have the disparity between the "haves and the have-nots".
      I am also greatly concerned about the failures of our courts to protect the most innocent among us, our children.  The treatment of children is the greatest indicator of the health of any society.  I am the daughter of a pedophile.  From personal experince I can tell you that the damage is permanent, irreparable and excruciating.  I believe that you can't prevent the first time but you can prevent the next by making the punishment fit the crime; life without parole or death.  In my lifetime it is the only behavior I've seen that can't be cured.
      We are a sovereign nation blessed by God to be an example to the world that love always triumphs over hatred, that we can decide for ourselves to be conscious of each other and care for those less fortunate.  I am not bitter about any circumstance in my life; I am grateful for every opportunity to be kind.
  To be a conservative is to accept every obligation and take responsibiltiy for every action.

fuzzyhat wrote:I could write a book about what being a conservative means.

Well, I am not sure if that has ever been done before so it should be an interesting project.  Are you going to post chapters here for us to critque?