Eyas wrote:  
1. You consider the term Islamo-Fascism to be provocative namecalling.  Despite the clear Fascist nature of Radical Islam - AS DEFINED BY RADICAL ISLAMISTS.
Who and where are all these radicals?   Where is this definition?
2. I agree with your second re-phrasing replacing Islamo-Fascism with Communism.  I did, and still do, consider communism to be grave threat to America and to free peoples everywhere.  However, in that particular case it would be more appropriate to distinguish the threats by Korea and Vietnam  by specifying the Communist (Chinese & Soviet) backed North.  You feel that Communism posed no threat to the people in these places, I think that the populace of N. Korea, and millions of dead Cambodians might disagree with you.
Communism is indeed a grave threat, but we're going there by gradualism rather than military conquest.   The people who aim to turn this country communist are in Washington....not some jungle.   Yep, sucks about all the dead Cambodians and all, but I'm pretty positive there's nothing in our founding doccuments that perscribe the safety and wellbeing of the rest of the world being the responsibility of our government....  This is no different than saying we should provide food stamps and public housing for the millions of poor children starving in the third world today.
3. You've compared my ideology to that of the Nazis
      a. first, by incorrectly suggesting that I am promoting pre-emptive war against any and every nation in the world; and comparing my suggestion that we defend America and Americans with the Nazi quest of Global Domination.  This, despite the clear avowed goal of Global Domination of Radical Islam.
Please prove this radical islam goal and show any evidence of a domestic threat.
      b. second, by comparing my identification of an actual threat posed by Radical Islam - backed by previous acts and experience, with the clearly erroneous identification of Jews as a threat to Germany.  Your argument actually lends credence to the NAZI ideology by suggesting that the Jews were an actual threat to Germany.
Sure.... the Jews and Communists burned down the Reichstag building..... or at least someone did and they happened to be the convenient patsies.


      c. thirdly, I'm not sure if you are aware that the NAZI Party was a SOCIALIST party.
Yes, National Socialist.
      d. fourthly, You compare Germany's invasion and annexation of neighboring nations in their quest for Global Domination to pre-emptive war by America against Terror-supporting regimes.  Thus, you again lend credence to the NAZI ideology & goal of global domination by suggesting - falsely - that Poland, the Sudetenland, or Czechoslovakia had actually attacked Germany.
Again, they did pose an imminent threat (according to the ambitios government anyway)

You compare me to Hitler, suggesting that I seek the global domination and the genocide of an entire race or religion.  The only problem is that Islamo-Fascists such as Iranian Pres. Ahmedinejad have the stated goal of pushing Israel into the sea, annihilating all Jews, and forcibly converting the ENTIRE WORLD to Islam.  
And you really feel that this rhetoric from a borderline third world country is an iminent threat?   Please show any evidence.   Please also show any constitutional mandate that it is the responsibility of the United States to preserve the security of Israel.    Again, how is this different than saying we should buy everyone there a beautiful house, a nice car, and a Rolex watch?

Furthermore, even a cursory examination of the Muslim faith will show that:
a. it is a legal and political ideology in addition to being a religious faith, AND
b. it has, as its avowed goal, the forcible conversion of EVERYONE on Earth, as succinctly stated in the Hadith "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
I can provide plenty of radical Christian or Jewish quotes and scripture that is taken way out of context to incite radical-fundamentalist fools.   None of this justifies pre-emptive war or genocide.

America and its allies have been repeatedly attacked by Muslim Terrorists.  Germany was never attacked by Poland, Czechoslovakia, or the Sudetenland.  
Which nation precisely attacked us repeatedly?    I strongly suspect more Americans are killed by Mexican gangs than by any other race/religion/nationality, does this justify invasion of Mexico?  

There are nations which have routinely supported or provided safe-haven for terrorist organizations which actively seek the destruction of the United States and its allies.  I'm pretty sure the same could not be said of 1930's France.
Like the head of Pakistani intelligence wiring $100,000 to Mohamad Atta?  Like the Israeli attack on the SS Liberty?   Or like the CIA creating and bankrolling Osama (or Tim Osmond...his CIA handle)

Your understanding of History is faulty.  Your identification of what is or is not a justified motive for national defense is confused.  You seem to equate all wars as evil and unjustified, even those conducted in defense against overt agression.  
Not at all, if we are attacked by a soveriegn nation or are being invaded, I'm all for SELF DEFENSE.   I'd say I'm pretty well read in history, and if you can't see parallels and patterns and who they always benefit, perhaps it's you who is a little uninformed, or just lack any ability for critical thinking.

You are clearly an advocate of MORAL RELEVANCE which is really nothing more than a lame excuse for amorality, and immorality.
Speaking of "Moral Relevence" is it considered abortion when you drop white phosphorus on a pregnant woman?  My morals are sound and rooted in Christian values.  ANY use of force that is not in self defense is wrong period.  If something is wrong for one individual to do to another, it is also wrong for a State or Government to do it to a person (this is essentially the opposite of collectivist thinking).

Your arguments are patently absurd and your comparisons are bogus and childish.  

And of course the obligatory ad himinim and demagoguery.

First, I advise that you try to decide if there is such a thing as right and wrong, and THEN try to figure out which side you're on.
And I'd encourage you to turn off the TV and do some reading and critical thinking.   Governments out of controll have historically ALWAYS used the same script, frighten the people with a threat either real and often exaggerated, or manufactured; and use that to justify: bigger and more secretive and powerful government, domestic police state, loss of liberty, and neverending wars for profit and conquest.   Then if anyone dissents or asks questions they are branded a traitor, mentally ill, or subversive.   This is how the Roman republic died and has been happening over and over again since.

While you're at it, google "Skull and Bones" and "bohemian grove".    Ask yourself, would you want a guy who masturbates in a coffin and attends mock human sacrifice ceremonies babysitting your kids?   Watching your house while you're on vacation?   Sending your sons and daughters off to die in some third world hellhole?

1. You consider the term Islamo-Fascism to be provocative namecalling.  Despite the clear Fascist nature of Radical Islam - AS DEFINED BY RADICAL ISLAMISTS.
Who and where are all these radicals?   Where is this definition?

3. You've compared my ideology to that of the Nazis
      a. first, by incorrectly suggesting that I am promoting pre-emptive war against any and every nation in the world; and comparing my suggestion that we defend America and Americans with the Nazi quest of Global Domination.  This, despite the clear avowed goal of Global Domination of Radical Islam.
Please prove this radical islam goal and show any evidence of a domestic threat.

The Great Owl wrote:

Eyas wrote:  
      a. first, by incorrectly suggesting that I am promoting pre-emptive war against any and every nation in the world; and comparing my suggestion that we defend America and Americans with the Nazi quest of Global Domination.  This, despite the clear avowed goal of Global Domination of Radical Islam.
Please prove this radical islam goal and show any evidence of a domestic threat.
     

Tehran, 21 Dec. (AKI) - Europe will eventually become a Muslim continent, according to a representative of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei.
"In a dozen years, Europe will be an Islamic continent," said Rasul Jalilzadeh on Friday as he was speaking to the basiji, a voluntary organisation in the capital Tehran.
"The Islamisation of the European continent is imminent and this step favours the arrival of the Mahdi," he said, referring to the 12th imam of Shiite Islam.
Shiites believe that the Imam Mahdi, who disppeared as an adolescent, will return to bring an end to chaos and bring universal justice.
Rasul Jalilzadeh believes that "the Islamisation of Europe is one of the consequences of the Islamic revolution in Iran" in that "the messages and values that this revolution has transmitted to the Europeans, to convince them "to abandon their current faiths and convert to Shiite Islam."

Muhammad Taher Al-Farouq: "I would like to congratulate the nation of Muhammad, and especially the mujahideen. In this holy month of Ramadhan, we ask them that, as part of their resistance to the enemies of God, His Prophet, the enemies of the Koran, Islam, and the Muslims, they increase their martyrdom and jihad operations, and fight the sworn enemies of Islam - the Jews, the Christians, and the hypocrites - and carry out the best jihad operations.

"The Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan is part of the nation of Muhammad, and it is known by this name to friends and foes alike. The enemies of Islam know this movement by this name. This movement is connected to the Islamic Emirate we had in Afghanistan, under the leadership of the Emir of the Believers, Mullah Muhammad Omar.

"Our goal is to implement Islamic law, the law of the Koran, in God's kingdom. In other words, this kingdom, which belongs to God, should be ruled by the laws of God alone.

"Today, the enemies of Islam object to this goal, just like they did during the time of Muhammad, but let me announce to the believers, to the nation of Muhammad, that in the very near future, thanks to the sacrifices made by the nation of Muhammad, we will regain our glory of past times.

"As long as there are infidels and enemies of God in His kingdom, this movement will continue its jihad. Today, the nation of Muhammad has everything but an Islamic caliphate. We have clerics, mujahideen, and fedayeen, but not a caliphate. One of the most important goals of the Islamic movement of Uzbekistan is to establish an Islamic caliphate at any price.

"We take pride in the brothers in all the countries of Islam - in Iraq, Somalia, Lebanon, Palestine, Chechnya, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Africa, and Asia, and in all the countries of the world. We take pride in their jihad to elevate the word of Allah. We have good relations with them. As I've said, their joy is our joy, and their sorrow is our sorrow. We all constitute one body. We all have a common goal against the infidels. When mujahideen are taken by the enemy - whether the Americans or other infidels - to Guantanamo or other prisons, it does not ask them to which nation or community they belong. It treats them all the same way, and tortures all of them the same way."

Interviewer: "Which countries help you?"
Al-Farouq: "The countries that supported and helped God's Messenger help us.

"The money in the infidel banks is the daily bread of the mujahideen. The convoys come from Pakistan, through Torkhan or Karachi, are the daily bread of the mujahideen. The money in the banks in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and elsewhere is the daily bread of the mujahideen. The governments that use this money against the Muslims and Islam acquire bombs and airplanes with it, in order to bomb the Muslims. Therefore, this money is the [legitimate] booty of the Muslims.

"I always tell the mujahideen that if they want to get money, they should beat the infidels and take their money. You must hit them on the head and take their money. You should rob their banks and take the money. You should take their people prisoner, just like the Prophet did. Don't think this is a sin, because the Prophet Muhammad himself exchanged prisoners for ransom. There's nothing wrong with collecting money in exchange for prisoners.

"Allah willing, America will soon be annihilated, just like the USSR was annihilated. We are convinced of this.

"Allah willing, we will reach America. The men of this nation will reach America. The goal of this campaign is not only Kabul, Kandahar, or Baghdad. The eyes of the nation of Muhammad are set on Washington, London, Moscow, Paris, Delhi, Beijing, and other countries. This is our goal and, Allah willing, we will get there."

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that on Al-Adha Eid Day in Saudi Arabia, the philosophy of Haj can be defined merely through considering Islam's aim at establishment of a global government.
President Ahmadinejad who had attended the gathering of Iranian Haj pilgrims at the Supreme Leader's Mecca Headquarter focused in his address over the significance of major Haj rituals, the philosophy behind them, and their ultimate objectives.
He said, "If we would delete the ultimate objective of establishing a global system from the Haj rituals, the remainder would be deeds devoid of a soul."

Where R U, Mr. Owl?

Eyas wrote:One more, this time from Ahmedinejad:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that on Al-Adha Eid Day in Saudi Arabia, the philosophy of Haj can be defined merely through considering Islam's aim at establishment of a global government.
President Ahmadinejad who had attended the gathering of Iranian Haj pilgrims at the Supreme Leader's Mecca Headquarter focused in his address over the significance of major Haj rituals, the philosophy behind them, and their ultimate objectives.
He said, "If we would delete the ultimate objective of establishing a global system from the Haj rituals, the remainder would be deeds devoid of a soul."

Where R U, Mr. Owl?

paleocon wrote:Mr. Owl is somewhere in Honah Lee chasing after magic dragons.  Please don't disturb him with reality again.  It really upsets Puff.

Eyas wrote:

paleocon wrote:
Mr. Owl is somewhere in Honah Lee chasing after magic dragons.  Please don't disturb him with reality again.  It really upsets Puff.

LOL