Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby TheIndependent on 02/16/08, 2:45 pm

If McCain wins without our support the media and the GOP elite will spin the election as the death of conservatism.

I see it coming, I'm just saying we have to be careful to not go overboad being anti-McCain. Rush should invite McCain on the show and grill him about the issues we all have concerns with.

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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby Eyas on 02/16/08, 4:03 pm

The GOP is welcome to try.  Unless I'm mistaken, they've been trying to discredit, and distance themselves from, conservatism for years.

An idea cannot die; and a sound idea is never irrelevant.


Or, as Victor Hugo once said, "There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come."
The time for the ideas of conservatives already came -- with the American Revolution.  It has lapsed to a greater & greater degree ever since.

I, for one, am content to wait until its time comes 'round again.  Rather than abandon those principles and ideals that I KNOW are right.
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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby TheIndependent on 02/16/08, 4:41 pm

If McCain picks Romney as VP that would win over a lot of people. I'm almost positive he will not choose Huckabee.

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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby SoldiersMum on 02/16/08, 5:02 pm

At this point, I do not see any way McCain could win without conservatives except one and it's a stretch.

Let's assume for a moment that HRC is successful at buying the Super Delegates to her camp and she wins the nomination despite Barack winning the voted delegate count.  Let's assume the DNC does not stop this and that she successfully steals the nomination.  The African-Americans will revolt.  How many do you think just might cross over to the Republican side just for this election because of HRC's outright theft of what was their's by vote?  How many white dems who are also upset over losing their Change and Hope candidate thru the robbery that occurred right under their noses by HRC would also cross over to ensure she would not be the next President?  Afterall, they'd all just be voting for another democrat anyway.

Would that make conservatives irrelevant?  Naw..I don't think so.  If McCain manages to become our next President, no matter how it happens, it doesn't matter.  We are already irrelevant to him and he'll prove it when he makes his RINO decisions, especially if he intends on being a one-term Prez, which he has already thrown up as a possibility.

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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby Taylor on 02/16/08, 6:24 pm

TheIndependent wrote:If McCain picks Romney as VP that would win over a lot of people. I'm almost positive he will not choose Huckabee.



I'm pretty sure hes gonna get the Governor of Florida, Charlie Crist my Governor.
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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby SoldiersMum on 02/16/08, 9:39 pm

Taylor wrote:
TheIndependent wrote:If McCain picks Romney as VP that would win over a lot of people. I'm almost positive he will not choose Huckabee.



I'm pretty sure hes gonna get the Governor of Florida, Charlie Crist my Governor.


That's a pretty good guess, Taylor.  However, there are alot of paybacks on McCain's plate besides Crist so who knows?  What if the RNC decides to force him to take Huckabee since he's carried the south pretty well?  There's also Lindsay Grahamnesty, Rudy Guiliani, Fred Thompson, Joe Lieberman, et al., who have done him favors and/or thrown in support on his RINO legislations.

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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby TheIndependent on 02/17/08, 12:28 am

SoldiersMum wrote:At this point, I do not see any way McCain could win without conservatives except one and it's a stretch.

Let's assume for a moment that HRC is successful at buying the Super Delegates to her camp and she wins the nomination despite Barack winning the voted delegate count.  Let's assume the DNC does not stop this and that she successfully steals the nomination.  The African-Americans will revolt.  How many do you think just might cross over to the Republican side just for this election because of HRC's outright theft of what was their's by vote?  How many white dems who are also upset over losing their Change and Hope candidate thru the robbery that occurred right under their noses by HRC would also cross over to ensure she would not be the next President?  Afterall, they'd all just be voting for another democrat anyway.

Would that make conservatives irrelevant?  Naw..I don't think so.  If McCain manages to become our next President, no matter how it happens, it doesn't matter.  We are already irrelevant to him and he'll prove it when he makes his RINO decisions, especially if he intends on being a one-term Prez, which he has already thrown up as a possibility.


Neither Obama or Shrillary will win this year, the war on terror is about to heat up which will knock either one of them out in November.  McCain will probably coast to a win unless something really unexpected happens.

The Dem congress still has abysmal approval ratings but the GOP doesn't have a domestic  platform to promote, their timing couldn't be worse to be so rudderless.

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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby candance on 02/17/08, 12:36 am

I for one am not worried about being irrelevant. We might be in the minority and get pushed around, but conservative ideas can remain in place. Religions survive in places they're not welcome. All kinds of philosophies do.

I'm more afraid that if we keep compromising with rinos, we will end up with a lot of pyhrric victories and the GOP will phase us out eventually, and then no one will be around to rally us at all.
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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby Eyas on 02/17/08, 3:53 am

candance wrote:I for one am not worried about being irrelevant. We might be in the minority and get pushed around, but conservative ideas can remain in place. Religions survive in places they're not welcome. All kinds of philosophies do.

I'm more afraid that if we keep compromising with rinos, we will end up with a lot of pyhrric victories and the GOP will phase us out eventually, and then no one will be around to rally us at all.


Amen.

Pardon my French, but A-f***ing-men.

Ideas & Ideals do not die.  Ideals as great and worthy as those expounded by our founding fathers will NEVER die.  I, for one, will support them WIN OR LOSE until I die.

I'd rather lose RIGHT, fail RIGHT, and die RIGHT; than win WRONG, succeed WRONG, and live WRONG.


Somebody, ... tell me what Patrick Henry said.  Then tell me why it was so important then, but so laughable now?

Our nation faces dire times.  There are current choices that will determine oppression or freedom.  There are current choices that will determin free markets vs communist control.  There are choices that will determine whether the Federal gov't (SCOTUS) will infringe upon your FREE, GOD-GIVEN, NATURAL RIGHTS, or not.  There are choices, in terms of globalism and illegal immigration, that will determine whetheror not the U.S.A. remains a sovereign nation.  ....... Ultimately, in terms of the War on Terror, there are choices that could determine whether you and your loved ones live or die.

Again, ... tell me what Patrick Henry said.  Then tell me why it was so important then, but so laughable now?
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Re: Conservatives Risk Irrelevancy

Postby TheIndependent on 02/17/08, 2:32 pm

candance wrote:I for one am not worried about being irrelevant. We might be in the minority and get pushed around, but conservative ideas can remain in place. Religions survive in places they're not welcome. All kinds of philosophies do.

I'm more afraid that if we keep compromising with rinos, we will end up with a lot of pyhrric victories and the GOP will phase us out eventually, and then no one will be around to rally us at all.



Should Shrillary or Obama win and the dems get a veto proof majority the damage they do to the country will not be able to be undone by the next president. Did you see the GOP cut any programs when they were in power for 12 years?

I'm starting to come to my senses on what a loss will mean. All the left wing whackos will be in charge of the country (they are now) but there will be no one to stop them with a veto proof majority.  The lesser of two evils is still evil  but this election is going to decide policy that will effect this country for the rest of time.

Illegal immigrants will not be rounded up and sent home, it ain't gonna happen!
Walking away from Iraq assures an Al Queda win!
Hillarycare will be enacted and once it is  there is no turning back!
The perverts will have the White House and all the power that goes with it!

Global Warming is a scam but cap and trade is already in place and is law (Supreme Court Ruling).  There is a lot of money to be made  with alternative energy so I'm starting to go along with the agenda and hope to cash in on it with the right investments.

Do you really want to be the cause of President Shrillary?

It's damned if you do but double damned if you don't!

Yea they got us by the short hairs but the alternative is so much worse ....

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