I think that the issue of whether conservatism is dying, although important, is not what should be focused on. It is stopping communism from taking over this country. It is our Independence and the gutting of our Constitution that is the saber that needs to be raised.

A hard sell on a good day. A hard sell because it immediately brings up the response. “Another conspiracy theory” by a bunch of nuts. This reaction in itself has been groomed by Hollywood over the years with all of the movies that depict anyone who attempts to sound an alarm ends up being labeled as crazy and taken away to the rubber room or worse. Preplanned? Maybe.

Conservatism would then bounce back all on its own.

The question that I have is if a few of us on this forum can see what is going on how many other people out there do to?
I think one of the major problems in getting American Joe Q. Public to listen is that anyone from the conservative camp is no longer looked upon as being viable or mainstream enough to get serious attention. The talk radio bunch has helped but I don’t think they are going to be enough in themselves. Anything coming from the ‘right’ such a Billy Graham or even a not quite so ‘right’ Bill O’Reilly would be looked upon as it just one of those crazy right wingers again.

As far-fetched at this sounds we need someone from the democratic side to get everyone’s attention. Can you imagine what the headlines would be if Nancy Pelosi or better yet Ted Kennedy stepped up to a microphone an announced that there is evidence that there is a large and well planned attempt to destroy America from within and that the DNC is at the head of this plan.

The only way that I can see at this point to even have a chance in saving this country from utter destruction is to keep letting the talk radio people keep plugging away at. The DNC is worried that what is being said is taking hold otherwise why the big push for the UN-Fairness Doctrine again.

For right now we have to somehow do two things.
Keep Obama out of office and stop the Fairness Doctrine. These are the two most important things that have to be done to give us time. It gives us a few more years.

Then systematically start setting up some of the key people within the DNC, the MSM and the government to be exposed for what they truly are. It would kind of be like the old game of standing all the dominos on end and letting them knock each other down.

Pick the first domino and find our selves a Paul Revere to start the chain reaction.

Mum, you keep asking for a leader. Why aren't you a leader? You are articulate, able to write and express yourself, why can't you be a leader of those in your sphere of influence? You spend a lot of time conversing with people on the internet, why not use some of that time to cultivate people who think like you do and trade ideas about our future and how to defeat philosophies which will damage our society? As for how I would approach waging war against the libs, read my post written at 1:21pm yesterday. If you don't understand it ask me to clarify the part you don't understand.

Watcher, good post. This thread is indeed about stopping the fraud of liberalism. It can only be done by those willing to fight against it. When have you heard of a war being won by those who won't fight? WE won't win in 2008, but the fight has to start now so the army can grow in size and accumulate the good ideas to be used in battle. Waiting for a savior is futile. Each person can influence those around him. If you're not willing to fight, who will do it for you? If now is not the time to start, then when? Even if McCain wins, the country still loses. Washington is a rats nest with all politicians preying on the public.

McCain does nothing for this country except maybe keep an Islamic takeover from outside forces happening, keep a lid on terrorism and keep Obama out. He seems firm on upholding the 2nd Amendment and keeping our military prepared and at the ready. If this is all I can get for now I’ll take it. Obama does none of these things.
I am not waiting for someone to just come along and save the day. I am suggesting that there has to be an active search for that someone. I have a few suggestions about who appears to look good from the outside but again, I am not privy to what one really needs to know about a person to determine if they would be in fact trustworthy and like minded. This is an open forum so I will not name names.
Yes, I can articulate my feelings and I have the ability to sort through information that I find to convey that point. What I do not have is a way to move around on the inside of this web of deceit. My circle of associates, although some also feel the same way I do, is not in any better position than I am to reach this goal. I am very far removed from the political world and those of government. I am not trying to make excuses of why I can’t do anything. I am being pragmatic in my reason why I do not have the means. Could I write letters and help find the correct person? Yes. Would I help if there were someone that actually could do this? Yes I would. My ancestors have been on this land well before the Revolutionary War and many gave up everything they had to stand against the common enemy. Many lost their lives and many many more over the years have done their part in protecting this countries independence and its constitution. Whether is was with bearing arms, growing food or working in a factory it was all done to insure that this country and what it stands for are here for the next generation.

Now we are fighting against an enemy that does not face you in the daylight. It does not wear a uniform. It is on the inside and this enemy is like a cancer. You have to cut a piece of yourself out to kill it. Before you make that cut you better be darn sure you got the right spot.

restan wrote:Mum, you keep asking for a leader. Why aren't you a leader? You are articulate, able to write and express yourself, why can't you be a leader of those in your sphere of influence? You spend a lot of time conversing with people on the internet, why not use some of that time to cultivate people who think like you do and trade ideas about our future and how to defeat philosophies which will damage our society? As for how I would approach waging war against the libs, read my post written at 1:21pm yesterday. If you don't understand it ask me to clarify the part you don't understand.

I pretty much find this post insulting because you don't know what I am involved in, what I do or who I talk to.  restan, I have been talking about (1) Having someone to bring all the conservatives together and (2) Having a conservative George Soros.  I am not the one who should lead a conservative movement and frankly, having a gillion little mini-leaders is not the answer.  I do what I can but I do not have the resources to lead the movement nor do I have any means of bringing about a cohesive conservative unit.

Here is your l:21 pm post:

There will have to be a grass roots movement. There must be a manifesto produced stating the goals and ideas of
the new party. Small groups in agreement with the stated ideals will be formed. Internet advertising and eventually all types of media advertising will be used to inform the public about the goals, asperations and tenets of the new party. As more people join the group, It becomes more well known and begats more members. Members will be activist. We will confront liberal fraud and deception wherever we find it. We will present alternatives to liberalism in all its attempts to subvert and pervert our society. This is the skeleton framework on
how I think we could take back the America of our forefathers. Does it sound difficult and labor intensive? Yes.
Will it work? Yes. How do I know it will work? Because this is exactly how the libs have been kicking our butts for years. This is how the libs will win this election and how in the absence of our action we will lose capitalist America.
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Basically, everything you have written is right from the Communist Party DNC playbook and it is how they are accomplishing what they accomplish.  However, the DNC is owned by Gyorgy Soros.  He is making the calls and all of them are falling in lockstep, including the MSM. It has worked very well for them.

We do not have anyone with his strong desire to take this country over who would further conservatism.  As far as a platform goes, I still say, we have the only platform we need..we have the Constitution.  We also have many, many conservative organizations who are furthering conservatism.  However, we don't have the RNC.  Since we don't have the RNC, there is no leader stepping up to the plate to organize us all, and we lack the tens of millions of dollars required for this effort, we are not moving forward as a cohesive unit.  Certainly, you don't believe I am the one who can bring everyone together?  If you do, may I sell you some swamp land in Florida?

Mum, you don't seem to realize I paid you a compliment. I implied that you already have leadership qualities within you. Everyone does. Everyone with passion and ability to articulate can influence those around them. If enough people influence enough other people through their knowledge and commitment, ideas will grow and strength will grow. You said '' having a gillion little mini-leaders is not the answer''. That is exactly the answer.
If you don't have that, what do you have, a gillion little followers with no direction? You also said ''Basically, everything you have written is right from the Communist Party DNC playbook''. I have not seen the DNC playbook but all wars are fought with similar strategies. All military leaders of all countries study the great generals and battles that have been waged before. Strategies differ slightly, but the overall preparation and execution is the same. The success of the DNC should prove to you they are using the proper playbook and our apathy should show we are not.
You might pretend that you are the general leading your forces in a great battle and the future of your country hangs in the balance, what would you do?

restan wrote:Mum, you don't seem to realize I paid you  a compliment. I implied that you already have leadership qualities within you. Everyone does. Everyone with passion and ability to articulate can influence those around them. If enough people influence enough other people through their knowledge and commitment, ideas will grow and strength will grow. You said '' having a gillion little mini-leaders is not the answer''. That is exactly the answer.
If you don't have that, what do you have, a gillion little followers with no direction?  You also said ''Basically, everything you have written is right from the Communist Party DNC playbook''. I have not seen the DNC playbook but all wars are fought with similar strategies. All military leaders of all countries study the great generals and battles that have been waged before. Strategies differ slightly, but the overall preparation and execution is the same. The success of the DNC should prove to you they are using the proper playbook and our apathy should show we are not.
You might pretend that you are the general leading your forces in a great battle and the future of your country hangs in the balance, what would you do?

OK..I misread you and thank you for the compliment.  

The problem with the conservative movement is that there are plenty of generals leading their followers but no one is going in the same direction.  There is no Commander-in-Chief to bring all the troops together to fight the war.  Instead you have mini-battles going on all over the place with no cohesive battle plan and no organized Army.  

I own my own business.  I run it out of my home.  My sphere of influence is tiny and I cannot put my politics into my business.  I do what I can.  Just yesterday I convinced a women  in California  who declared Obama to be just the greatest thing since sliced bread to research Obama on the internet.  She had never heard of Frank Marshall Davis or William Ayers.  One person at a time is ludricous.  That's no way to fight a war, restan.  Conservatism needs to go back to being a movement so that we can fight the war.  Mini-skirmishes will not win any battle.  We need a leader, a real leader.  

I am not asking for Ronnie to crawl his way out of his coffin.  I am asking for someone to step up to the plate to lead us into the battle with direction and conservative ideology.  Rush will not do it.  Mike Pence will not do it because he is affiliated with the RNC which is purple.  Jindal will not do it right now because he wants to be a Governor.  Ginghrich is a RINO and while he'd like to do it, he's a miserable waste of time. Someone needs to do it and to do it quickly.  We are losing this war because we are scattered everywhere and the RNC is a joke.  

I have actually been thinking about trying to get a conference together for all the conservative talk show hosts or as many as possible.  I just doubt I'd have much success at getting them all to come to Pittsburgh when I can't afford pay for them to come.  It would be a good idea to get them all together to discuss strategy though.

It would be nice if all could come together to fight the liberal takeover. It will not happen because:
1. There is no consensus on which battle is most important.
2. There is no consensus on HOW to fight.
3. Most conservatives are not activists, they are apathetic. Maybe they are happy and don't want to be bothered.

The liberal brain is wired to always be dissatisfied, to always feel that he is not treated fairly and to always think that the government will reward him once they find out how important he is.
The conservative is wired to think: hey, get out of my way and let me create a life for myself.
These two concepts are quite different, but the liberal cannot think differently, so we will never have consensus.
There are two choices open to conservatives as far as defeating liberals.
1. Wait and hope a charismatic leader will come along to save us.
2. Do the dirty work ourselves, one convert at a time.
Don't forget, 40% of the population is wired like you are and once the ball starts rolling, more people will jump on the bandwagon.
I have already presented my game plan, which needs fleshing out, but not one of the 600+ members on this site has said.. let's go or tell me more. We will get what we deserve.