Is Conservatism Dying?

Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby watcher on 06/27/08, 8:23 pm

Creating a political party is not what needs to be done first. An ideology is needed. New and fresh.
The dollar is definitely the major hurdle to be able to mount anything that would be effective. Organization is the key. Control over the presentation is crucial. Keep it very simple. Pick a limited number of points to take a stand with. Maybe it would pay, no pun intended, to approach an established organization such as the Heritage Foundation with the idea. The Foundation is a front-runner in preserving the constitution and American security already. They are already recognized as a conservative think tank and have a following. Instead of promoting a political platform promote an ideology platform. Politics usually brings to mind a lot of negatives.
Let those specific platform points garner attention along with a planned promotion of the platform via Coulter, Hannity, Rush, Beck etc. These people already have an audience as well, use that voice. When there is commentary within their program about a specific issue that is one of the points these people could then direct their audiences to go check out the xyz platform at such and such a site.  
This site could then offer educational tools of the ideology, ways to communicate the ideology to others and to eventually promote the meeting of groups of individuals in geographical areas. These groups could than make presentations to other groups. There used to be a Democratic and Republican club in every town across America. As the platform gains attention it would draw more people of like minds together. There would have to be nothing but factual information on this site. Truth and honesty cannot be demonized.  That fact alone can now be used as a tool to draw more attention and more like-minded people to it.
Add to the platform points as time goes on.
As the platform gains attention it would attract more persons who are naturally inclined leaders. A political entity would naturally evolve out of it. Leaders like to lead but to do so they need a following. That could be your new political party. Separate but same.  That political leader now has a something to say that others want to here, get behind and help make happen. Momentum is what is needed to win an election along with money, organization etc. That new political leader can now rely on the network that has already been created to actually win.
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby restan on 06/27/08, 9:25 pm

I have not said anything about creating a new political party. I have not said a group should be formed to produce candidates for political office. I said a group needs to  act as a nexus to produce a document stating the qualities and ideals needed to have a more perfect society. Principles based on societal laws handed down for centuries, but twisted and misused by the liberals. Will you enjoy and prosper by living in the coming liberal society? Will you enjoy the attempt to wipe out world poverty with your money? Will you enjoy your tax increases to level out other worker's income? Will you prosper in the new socialist economy?  The country neeeds to understand what is about to happen as citizens stand idly by. Go to some liberal websites such as Daily Kos, Politically Incorrect,or others. See for yourself what the plans are for the future. We are at war! and the libs are winning.  As far as financing, the nuclear group needs to be formed first , which is free. Once the statement of goals and ideas are written (the business plan), then you publicize by contacting your personal sphere of influence, then they contact theirs. These first steps will show you if you have a viable message and if there is a receptive audience. If you study what the libs are doing, you can see this very activity. Should we just wait, do nothing and see what happens?
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby SoldiersMum on 06/27/08, 9:54 pm

We already have a platform.  It is called the Constitution.  We already have principles.  They are called Conservatism.


What is needed is an outting of socialist and communist goals, ideology and movements.  What is needed is education of the masses as to how they are veering from the Constitution and how the Communist Party DNC  intends to complete their takeover thru the election of their Messiah.  

The talking heads, none of them, are not going to further any platform or any goals of any organization.  They are fighting socialism and communism and are too busy to take on furthering a new party's agenda or spreading the word of a new platform for a non-existent party of conservatives who have been run over by the CP DNC public conveyance vehicle.
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby paleocon on 06/27/08, 10:35 pm

It sort of looks like you are moving in the direction of a new topic....
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby SoldiersMum on 06/28/08, 1:16 am

Well, restan is all over the place and I can't get my teeth on it because I can't figure out what the real question is.  What I am actually reading are the missives of a very disgusted, very frustrated person who is looking desparately for an answer to what we should do.  We are all in the same boat.  This is a very depressing, frustrating situation we are all in and there really is no one answer.
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby restan on 06/28/08, 6:33 am

If there is some confusion about what I have written let me simplify:
1..Conservatism is dying because there are too few who can clearly explain the goals and ideals of conservatism,
and too few who are willing to confront liberalism.
2. If and when conservatism becomes impotent and superseded by liberalism, we then must live under the rules of liberalism.
3. I do not want this to happen, so I propose a grass roots campaign to get the conservative message out to the public to counteract the liberal takeover.
4. The only way I can envision doing this is to have interested conservatives join together to carry this message forward.
Going on a website to criticise liberals or make fun of Obama's midddle name is not going to change anything is it?
Listening to Rush or Sean has not changed the political picture has it?
If someone has a better idea, why not put it on the table?
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby paleocon on 06/28/08, 9:34 am

Well thanks for clarifying.  

restan wrote:If there is some confusion about what I have written let me simplify:
1..Conservatism is dying because there are too few who can clearly explain the goals and ideals of conservatism, and too few who are willing to confront liberalism.


I completely reject this proposition.  The GOP has abandoned its belief in conservative principles.  That is not the same as saying conservatism is dying.  

restan wrote:3. I do not want this to happen, so I propose a grass roots campaign to get the conservative message out to the public to counteract the liberal takeover.
4. The only way I can envision doing this is to have interested conservatives join together to carry this message forward.


There are hundreds, even thousands, of organizations and groups devoted promoting the conservative message.  These would include:

The Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, American Conservative Union, Family Research Council, Traditional Values Coalition, Young America's Foundation, The Leadership Institute, NRA, TownHall.com, etc.

These are large, well funded organizations advancing the conservative agenda.  The Heritage Foundation has a budget of at least 36 million a year.  Townhall.com was specifically founded with the idea of promoting activism.  If you want to find activists start there.   The Leadership Institute is there to train conservative leaders.  That might be a good place to start...

restan wrote:Going on a website to criticise liberals or make fun of Obama's midddle name is not going to change anything is it?


No, this alone will change little.  It did convince SoldiersMom and The Independent NOT to vote for McCain.  But, that is the only change I can attest to.  

restan wrote:Listening to Rush or Sean has not changed the political picture has it?


Yes, it has.  I regularly hear callers to those shows say they have "switched" after listening to Rush or Sean or Mark.  Our message makes sense.  When people hear it they are likely to accept it, given time.  And frankly, if "getting out the message" won't change anything then why bother with your new organization to "get out the message?"
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby restan on 06/28/08, 10:18 am

I am familiar with the organizations you mention. How would you rate their success in getting their message before the public and having it acted upon? I know some of them have influenced legislation, but I would say they
have engendered little change for the better. The talk show hosts preach to their own choir. To my knowledge they contribute no funds to any activist groups, and although their message needs to be heard I cannot see much movement from the left over to the right because of it. If  the message from conservatives has been successful, why are we getting our butts kicked by the libs? It's quite obvious if we keep doing as we're doing, waiting for Reagan, looking to the well heeled Heritage Foundation to get out the word, hoping that people will come to their senses, we are going to lose. Do you ever read of conservative demonstrations in public places over important issues? Ever hear of conservatives camping outside politicians offices to influence legislation? Ever hear of conservative efforts to counter some of the ACLU court shenanigans? Ever hear of conservatives taking out full page newspaper ads to present their views? If you keep doing what you are doing--you will keep getting what you are getting. Is that good enough for you?
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby SoldiersMum on 06/28/08, 12:27 pm

restan said:  Do you ever read of conservative demonstrations in public places over important issues? Ever hear of conservatives camping outside politicians offices to influence legislation? Ever hear of conservative efforts to counter some of the ACLU court shenanigans? Ever hear of conservatives taking out full page newspaper ads to present their views?





Here are the optimum phrases:

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restan, the fact is that conservatives are doing the things you are talking about but the MSM does not report conservative things unless they can turn them around somehow to their benefit.  

I know you are frustrated.  We are all frustrated.   Once they have passed the Fairness Doctrine or Obama gets his head of the FEC to outright declare it, there will be even less conservative voice.

We do not have a leader.  That is not just a problem, but a huge problem.  We also do not have a conservative George Soros activist.  As Paleocon said, there are many, many conservative organizations attempting to get the word out and I know many of these are active with the Congress.  

The problem is, the Socialists/Communists have worked for decades to infiltrate every facet of our lives.  They are all intent on taking the US down.  They work in tandem.  I'm sure you've noticed the Communist Party DNC keywords which get spewed forth from all of them and the MSM.  They will not report on anything conservative or any one conservative unless it is beneficial to them in some fashion where they can slant it and skew it back to their way of thinking.  

So, just exactly how would you propose getting the word out?
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Re: Is Conservatism Dying?

Postby Eyas on 06/28/08, 1:31 pm

As I've said before, there's really only one enemy: The Enemy that controls Public Sentiment.  It is the Enemy which has downplayed the danger of Communism for 50 years.  It is the Enemy that has convinced the masses that there is nothing wrong with Communism.  It is the Enemy which has convinced the masses that Communism is desirable.  It is the Enemy which has so befuddled the American mind that it can even conceive of voting for candidates of the Communist Party.  It is the Enemy which has forced the "opposition" party to accept and adopt more and more of the philosophy, tenets, and policies of the Communist Party.


The Enemy which controls what people know, and what people think --- MiniTrue!  


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