I came on here because I found that the level of knowledge was exemplary. I wanted to find a place that I could voice my opinion, thoughts and fears and receive sound constructive feedback, insight that I may have not previously considered and also expand my knowledge on subjects because to argue a point here you must become well informed. That means you must take the time to learn before you post.
The true key to having a representative that will work for the betterment of this country for ‘we the people’ and not use his position to work for ‘me myself and I’ is a well informed candidate.

As a side note on the level of informed, intelligent participants in a political process;


I have been checking out some of the ‘liberal’ blogg sites such as The Daily Kos and I have noticed something interesting. There is usually a subject posted by the administrator with a general lead in then followed with excerpts from various pundits, news articles, liberal group statements etc. These are usually well written, even if one does not agree with the content and there does appear to be some level of miss-information within the articles that they use to get the topic going. Whether those articles are chosen on purpose or if that just ends up being the norm of liberal based articles is a question in itself. [Now that would be an interesting study.]
Then there is the comment section of what individuals post about that subject. The majority of posts are single line opinion statements with snippets of snide or satirical comments with a lot of them making jokes about McCain and the GOP or showing a picture or a cartoon about McCain The ones that are slightly longer and attempt to actually make a point don’t site sources to back up what they claim as fact. These are few and far between the one-liners.
There was something else that I found really telling. Someone will post something off subject such as “My cat was sick last night” and within a very short period of time all post are talking about cats. There appears to be a very limited number of posts that show any level of accurate knowledge. A lot of them are cut and pasts of what they said early and they periodically come back to the site and repost the same thing over again. The only topics that seem to be able to stay on subject and actually garner any attempt at sounding reasonable within the last few weeks was the 2nd Amendment law and then there was some healthy back and forth mostly for keeping guns even though it is a liberal site. Anything to do about Senator Obama’s comments is herald as being gospel and the ‘right’ just don’t see the light, so to speak. The news sites such as CNN and NBC have some posts that definitely show that the ‘right’ is trying to insert some common sense into the posts but they also do not use good sound information and reply back with snide and satirical comments. Tit for tat type of posts.
Take a look for yourself. Maybe I just hit on some sites that are not considered the cream of the crop for well-informed self-proclaimed liberals. I did not go to Huffington Post. I have my limits on how much of the liberal dribble I can expose myself to before becoming ill.

In my opinion there is a difference between one being involved in campaigns by actively ‘stumping’ for a candidate and those who are actively discussing a candidate.
I also think the idea of coming up with a platform of what this country should be was already done by our founding fathers. We need to come up with a platofrm on a way to re educate the American people just what that was.

watcher wrote:I came on here because I found that the level of knowledge was exemplary.

I can't fault you there.  There are some really well reasoned posts on this site.  

watcher wrote:I have been checking out some of the ‘liberal’ blogg sites such as The Daily Kos and I have noticed something interesting.  There is usually a subject posted by the administrator with a general lead in then followed with excerpts from various pundits, news articles, liberal group statements etc. These are usually well written, even if one does not agree with the content and there does appear to be some level of miss-information within the articles that they use to get the topic going.

Then there is the comment section of what individuals post about that subject. The majority of posts are single line opinion statements with snippets of snide or satirical comments with a lot of them making jokes about McCain and the GOP or showing a picture or a cartoon about McCain The ones that are slightly longer and attempt to actually make a point don’t site sources to back up what they claim as fact. These are few and far between the one-liners.
There was something else that I found really telling.....  There appears to be a very limited number of posts that show any level of accurate knowledge.

Take a look for yourself. Maybe I just hit on some sites that are not considered the cream of the crop for well-informed self-proclaimed liberals. I did not go to Huffington Post.  I have my limits on how much of the liberal dribble I can expose myself to before becoming ill.

That sums up liberalism and liberal sites in a concise fashion.  Over simplify, make up or distort facts, generalize, condemn the "vast right wing conspiracy," proclaim your moral and intellectual superiority and make an off color-joke that you would excoriate conservatives for thinking.  

Frankly, I have met few leftists who can stand and debate anything.  You know you are winning a debate with a leftist when he or she calls you a Nazi, racist, bigot warmonger.  When they can't win, and they rarely can, they attack.  

watcher wrote:In my opinion there is a difference between one being involved in campaigns by actively ‘stumping’ for a candidate and those who are actively discussing a candidate.

I also think the idea of coming up with a platform of what this country should be was already done by our founding fathers. We need to come up with a platofrm on a way to re educate the American people just what that was.

Well, you are right here too.  There is a difference between working for a candidate and thinking about politics.  I lack the resources to undertake your second point.  I can contribute toward the first point of supporting a candidate with time and money.  I think our conservative standard bearers would be better off if we did some of the former and shared our thoughts on the later with them and others.

Jokeness, since you wanted to know how we could mount a campaign against the liberal takeover, I will give you my opinion. I'm sure others that wished to think about it could offer more or even better ideas. This will take some space, so first I want to give a little overview.
We are at war. The liberal philosophy and activism is more dangerous to America than the Jihadists. They are bent upon destroying the traditional American lifestyle and economy just as much as the Jihadists. And they are already in our country in great numbers, and they are telling you what they are going to do, and the conservatives are not listening. Their ideas and policies will destroy capitalism, merit, ambition, and ultimately our traditional society. What do we get in return? Stupid schemes like Obama's just introduced bill to eliminate global poverty by massive foreign aid giveaways. More oppressive political correctness. Labor- management stress, raising prices and reducing production. Loss of personal property rights as more of our ''assets'' become public property. This list is endles because the libs want to live in a socialized country. They want to take your belongings and redistribute them to the ''less fortunate''. This is a euphemism for people who won't work.
We are at war and we are being soundly defeated. We are being defeated because we won't defend ourselves.
We bitch about what is happening, but we do nothing about it. If you can admit to yourself that we are indeed at war then what can we do to defeat the libs?
I will post more on this subject later.

At the risk of inducing somnolence among some, I will offer my own ideas about how to defeat liberalism.
There will have to be a grass roots movement. There must be a manifesto produced stating the goals and ideas of
the new party. Small groups in agreement with the stated ideals will be formed. Internet advertising and eventually all types of media advertising will be used to inform the public about the goals, asperations and tenets of the new party. As more people join the group, It becomes more well known and begats more members. Members will be activist. We will confront liberal fraud and deception wherever we find it. We will present alternatives to liberalism in all its attempts to subvert and pervert our society. This is the skeleton framework on
how I think we could take back the America of our forefathers. Does it sound difficult and labor intensive? Yes.
Will it work? Yes. How do I know it will work? Because this is exactly how the libs have been kicking our butts for years. This is how the libs will win this election and how in the absence of our action we will lose capitalist America.

restan wrote:
There will have to be a grass roots movement. There must be a manifesto produced stating the goals and ideas of
the new party. Small groups in agreement with the stated ideals will be formed. Internet advertising and eventually all types of media advertising will be used to inform the public about the goals, asperations and tenets of the new party. As more people join the group, It becomes more well known and begats more members. Members will be activist. We will confront liberal fraud and deception wherever we find it. We will present alternatives to liberalism in all its attempts to subvert and pervert our society. This is the skeleton framework on
how I think we could take back the America of our forefathers. Does it sound difficult and labor intensive? Yes.
Will it work? Yes. How do I know it will work? Because this is exactly how the libs have been kicking our butts for years. This is how the libs will win this election and how in the absence of our action we will lose capitalist America.

Ideas are welcome here.  

• Grass roots movement - Check.  We did build such a movement in the 80s and 90s.  George Bush 41, 43 and the RINOs in Congress pretty well killed it.  But, it can be rebuilt.  
• Internet advertising - Check.  This is good.  Use the new media to promote new ideas.  
• "Old Media" advertising - Not so much.  They usually refuse to air conservative ads in general.  Not saying it can't work but I am dubious of it since it enriches these old, biased media types.  
• Confronting fraud and bias - Check.  Big, no HUGE, job but we have to do it.  Getting the word out for sites like:
  michellemalkin.com, frontpagemag.org, debbieschlussel.com, jihadwatch.org, heritage.org, etc. Getting active in their work so we don't try and re-invent the wheel time and time again.
• Take our kids out of government funded indoctrination centers.  Save the next generation before they become lost!
• Call your Representative and Senator regularly and let them know what you think.  Try and be respectful to the people who work there.  But, be firm.  They will try to convince you you are misinformed.  Don't buy their bull but don't dump on the receptionist.  
• Find a local party you agree with and visit their meetings even if you don't join.  Learn about the party and their candidates.  Share your thoughts and ideas.  
• Find out what your local government is doing and watch them closely.  Lots of stupid stuff goes on and we can start calling local mayors and town council members on stupid stuff.  It is YOUR money they are spending.  You have a right to know what they are doing with it.  

What else?

All your ideas are good. In my opinion, the talk show hosts and writers such as Malkin and Coulter have found a comfortable niche which is making them rich. I don't know if they would participate in a grass roots movement other than as paid speakers. These people are more social critics than activists. I have never heard that any of them has actually formed an action group. If a battle is to be fought, soldiers are needed. If a few people of the same mind would get together and formulate the first step, which is the manifesto or statement of purpose, each person may be able to use their sphere of influence to attract more members. After a certain critical number is reached, the movement would gain momentum by itself. You are in Virginia, I am in Arlington, Va.

restan wrote:All your ideas are good. In my opinion, the talk show hosts and writers such as Malkin and  Coulter have found a comfortable niche which is making them rich. I don't know if they would participate in a grass roots movement other than as paid speakers. These people are more social critics than activists. I have never heard that any of them has actually formed an action group. If a battle is to be fought, soldiers are needed. If a few people of the same mind would get together and formulate the first step, which is the manifesto or statement of purpose, each person may be able to use their sphere of influence to attract more members. After a certain critical number is reached, the movement would gain momentum by itself. You are in Virginia, I am in Arlington, Va.

Well, I was suggesting that we join them rather than invite them to join us.

I am NOT suggesting forming another committee.  There are lots of people out there doing something.  The last thing we need is 300 million groups of 1 person each.

Join who? I think most groups go at this the wrong way. All I'm seeing in chat rooms or online groups is a lot of complaining and vituperation. I don't see any activism. I don't think this is productive. I'm not interested in reinventing the wheel, but a different wheel is needed. If you know of a group that you think has the right approach and is doing things that are working, of course I would join in with them. Each group I know of has an agenda that to me is a waste of time and yields no results. Sitting around complaining about the transgressions of liberals hasn't changed a thing, it has merely put us further behind their push to success. The new approach I speak of will not be aligned with any existing party. If you do that, the alpha members of the established party will take over and continue doing what they have beeen doing. I would envision a group which has no party affiliation, but is committed to the principles outlined in their manifesto. If affiliations come later, so be it. Any affiliations will have to embrace the same principles we espouse.

restan wrote:Join who? I think most groups go at this the wrong way. All I'm seeing in chat rooms or online groups is a lot of complaining and vituperation. I don't see any activism. I don't think this is productive. I'm not interested in reinventing the wheel, but a different wheel is needed. If you know of a group that you think has the right approach and is doing things that are working, of course I would join in with them. Each group I know of has an agenda that to me is a waste of time and yields no results. Sitting around complaining about the transgressions of liberals hasn't changed a thing, it has merely put us further behind their push to success.  The new approach I speak of will not be aligned with any existing party. If you do that, the alpha members of the established party will take over and continue doing what they have beeen doing. I would envision a group which has no party affiliation, but is committed to the principles outlined in their manifesto. If affiliations come later, so be it. Any affiliations will have to embrace the same principles we espouse.

You are forgetting one thing.  You are forgetting $$$$$$.  The thing we would need is a Conservative George Soros, someone willing to go for the juglar and throw in a bunch of money to achieve a big bleed.

restan wrote:Join who? I think most groups go at this the wrong way.  I don't see any activism.

Well, if you can't find a group I don't know what to tell you.  It is a big world and causes are out there.  I just don't think we need a thousand more groups.  

restan wrote:I don't think this is productive. I'm not interested in reinventing the wheel, but a different wheel is needed.

Then invent the wheel you think people need.  If you are right you will be rich and famous and people will find you!  

restan wrote:If you know of a group that you think has the right approach and is doing things that are working, of course I would join in with them.

Get involved in an pro-life group.  
Get involved in a pro-literacy group.
Get involved in a ride-along program.
Get involved in a businessman's group.
You will meet people and will make other connections.  It's called "networking" but ironically has nothing to do with computers.  Go figure.  If you try a group and find you don't like them tell them so and move on.  

Check out these parties:
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
http://www.lp.org
Local political candidate you support - If you can't support the national slate tell them so and be polite when around those you can't support and avoid "party" events if possible.  

restan wrote:I would envision a group which has no party affiliation, but is committed to the principles outlined in their manifesto. If affiliations come later, so be it. Any affiliations will have to embrace the same principles we espouse.

But that sounds like a political party.  How is it different from a political party?  Maybe I am missing your point.  Happens all the time to GOPER....

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Groups to NOT evaluate:
Liberterian National Socialist Green Party - Really, there is such a party.  Only in America could someone do this with a straight face.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND this group to anyone.