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U.S. Citizens vs. Barack Hussein Obama

Postby modmindman » 06/04/09, 11:37 pm

TheIndependent wrote:[quote=All you have to do is overlook Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, his 'chip on the shoulder as big as a boulder' wife, his childhood mentor Marshall Davis, a pinko commie and than you might not notice that he hates what the US has stood for since it's founding.

Give him a chance? You prove how witless you really are. Either that or you agree with him.


This is exactly the type of rhetoric that I was referring to in my posting. "(Obama is) a pinko commie ... he hates what the US has stood for since it's founding". Really! So he hates freedom of religion, speech, assembly, and the right to pursue happiness and all the other tenants of the Constitution, which he studied vigorously. Do you really actually believe this?

And then you claim his wife, the 1st lady, as big as a boulder? Really?
Hey man, I disagreed with GW Bush and Dick Cheney on a variety of issues but I never called their wives mean names. This mean spirited speechifying is out of bounds and does no service to civil debate. This just makes you look hateful and mean.

Second, Obama's preacher, Rev. Wright, is a firebrand angry black preacher. Apparently there are a few out there. I haven’t the slightest why he and some other black and minority folks are angry. But then again, I know some pretty angry white folks too. I don’t see how anyone is this country can be angry because we live in the greatest country in the world. And God do you sound angry. How can you be Sir, living the American dream?

I digress. The Reverend isn’t in Obama's cabinet. And Obama barely knew Bill Ayers. The right wing drive by media has completely overblown that relationship. And as for his childhood mentor, Marshall Davis" it was his childhood mentor. I had some pretty radical notions when I was in my teens and 20's and then you know what happened. I finished school, got a job, started a business and evolved into a person with moderate views.

Sir, by stating that Obama "hates what this country has stood for since it’s founding" supports the premise of my post. That is to say, I believe you are suggesting that Obama wants to destroy America. Is this you position?  If it is, then you and your sort have no credibility with me and about 80% of the rest of the citizenry.  And you and your sort will drag down the Grand Old Party into a permanent minority party.  

We have a black liberal President. Hispanics will soon become the majority and America’s complexion will grow darker. It's called CHANGE! Deal with it! If Bush/Cheney didn't do such a horrible job running the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, borrowing billions to do so, and then presiding over a financial meltdown, the electorate never would have voted in a totally different direction towards the left.

One more thing, you did not take issue with my premise that the incendiary language targeting Obama, recklessly bandied about by right wing extremists, may very well provoke an assassinate attempt, or worse, on the President of the United States.  

Your non-response to this concern speaks volumes!
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Re: U.S. Citizens vs. Barack Hussein Obama

Postby TheIndependent » 06/05/09, 8:22 pm

President Obama has officially begun the era of bigger big government by proposing to go on a multitrillion dollar borrowing spree that risks doing to the "full faith and credit of the United States" what excessive borrowing during the housing bubble did to private credit.


Under his budget plan for America's future, spending will average 23.7% of GDP for at least a decade (a whopping 20% higher than in 2000-08).
Near-record deficits increasing at record rates will push the public debt of the U.S. beyond the economy's plausible capacity to pay — 70% of GDP by 2012, heading quickly to 82% of GDP in 2019 and on pace to be astronomically higher soon thereafter.


The Avalanche
American families over the last year have already lost 8% of their net worth — in part as a result of inept government meddling, past and present. For many of the same reasons, they are also buried under a mountain of mortgages and private-sector debts gone bad. On top of that, if the president has his way, they will soon be hit with more than a 100% increase in public debt (from $8 trillion this year to $17.3 trillion in 2019).
Furthermore, the Treasury (and taxpayers) will soon have to begin repaying to Social Security more than $5 trillion in payroll tax revenues that the government had taken from the trust fund and spent for earmarks and other purposes.


http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=329091224620125
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Postby TheIndependent » 06/05/09, 8:52 pm

modmindman wrote:
TheIndependent wrote:[quote=All you have to do is overlook Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, his 'chip on the shoulder as big as a boulder' wife, his childhood mentor Marshall Davis, a pinko commie and than you might not notice that he hates what the US has stood for since it's founding.

Give him a chance? You prove how witless you really are. Either that or you agree with him.


This is exactly the type of rhetoric that I was referring to in my posting. "(Obama is) a pinko commie ... he hates what the US has stood for since it's founding". Really! So he hates freedom of religion, speech, assembly, and the right to pursue happiness and all the other tenants of the Constitution, which he studied vigorously. Do you really actually believe this?

And then you claim his wife, the 1st lady, as big as a boulder? Really?
Hey man, I disagreed with GW Bush and Dick Cheney on a variety of issues but I never called their wives mean names. This mean spirited speechifying is out of bounds and does no service to civil debate. This just makes you look hateful and mean.

Second, Obama's preacher, Rev. Wright, is a firebrand angry black preacher. Apparently there are a few out there. I haven’t the slightest why he and some other black and minority folks are angry. But then again, I know some pretty angry white folks too. I don’t see how anyone is this country can be angry because we live in the greatest country in the world. And God do you sound angry. How can you be Sir, living the American dream?

I digress. The Reverend isn’t in Obama's cabinet. And Obama barely knew Bill Ayers. The right wing drive by media has completely overblown that relationship. And as for his childhood mentor, Marshall Davis" it was his childhood mentor. I had some pretty radical notions when I was in my teens and 20's and then you know what happened. I finished school, got a job, started a business and evolved into a person with moderate views.

Sir, by stating that Obama "hates what this country has stood for since it’s founding" supports the premise of my post. That is to say, I believe you are suggesting that Obama wants to destroy America. Is this you position?  If it is, then you and your sort have no credibility with me and about 80% of the rest of the citizenry.  And you and your sort will drag down the Grand Old Party into a permanent minority party.  

We have a black liberal President. Hispanics will soon become the majority and America’s complexion will grow darker. It's called CHANGE! Deal with it! If Bush/Cheney didn't do such a horrible job running the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, borrowing billions to do so, and then presiding over a financial meltdown, the electorate never would have voted in a totally different direction towards the left.

One more thing, you did not take issue with my premise that the incendiary language targeting Obama, recklessly bandied about by right wing extremists, may very well provoke an assassinate attempt, or worse, on the President of the United States.  

Your non-response to this concern speaks volumes!



Screw off with the assasination talk, if someone kills him I will not be surprised, nor saddened.

Glad I'm not going to be around  when the country turns brown, there won't be anything left by than anyways. Good luck with what the future has in store for you.
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Postby modmindman » 06/06/09, 12:48 pm

TheIndependent wrote:Screw off with the assasination talk, if someone kills him I will not be surprised, nor saddened.

GladI'm not going to be around  when the country turns brown, there won'tbe anything left by than anyways. Good luck with what the future has instore for you.


Nice! At least I'm getting a clearer idea of what you’re about. A xenophobe? A racist? Perhaps a white supremacist? Heck, I suppose all of the above!

Good luck with the future the conservative party has in store for you and your kind. With ignoramuses like you, the party of Jefferson, Lincoln and Reagan will devolve into the party of David Duke.

Give your gun a kiss for me and say hello to the boys at the cross burning tonight.
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Re: U.S. Citizens vs. Barack Hussein Obama

Postby TheIndependent » 06/10/09, 7:34 pm

Now even Shemp Smith of FOX News is calling people who stand behind the United States constitution extremists.

Read this Shemp.



United States Constitution




Article II


Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:
Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.


The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.


The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.


No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.


In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.


The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.


Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

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Re: U.S. Citizens vs. Barack Hussein Obama

Postby TheIndependent » 06/10/09, 7:42 pm

It does say natural born citzen or a citizen of the United States. So it appears that Obama may be constitutional. Today was the first day I ever read this article. It does appear to be a moot point. He should just tell the truth that he was born in Kenya.
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Re: U.S. Citizens vs. Barack Hussein Obama

Postby SatanSay » 07/20/09, 11:00 pm

Mind if I cut in?
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Re: U.S. Citizens vs. Barack Hussein Obama

Postby robomatic » 09/06/09, 5:22 pm

If TheIndependent was writing about the previous administration, I'd probably be more likely to agree with his (or her) strident viewpoint, althought it strikes me as being vacuous in that it's more of a prediction of doom for doom's sake.

I voted for Obama, Obama is doing pretty much what I elected him to do, just not with enough stridency on his own part, yet.

All this fear mongering is fine with me. Makes an Obama second term more likely.

So keep up the good work!
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Re: U.S. Citizens vs. Barack Hussein Obama

Postby a1kjl » 09/07/09, 10:22 am

robomatic wrote:If TheIndependent was writing about the previous administration, I'd probably be more likely to agree with his (or her) strident viewpoint, althought it strikes me as being vacuous in that it's more of a prediction of doom for doom's sake.

I voted for Obama, Obama is doing pretty much what I elected him to do, just not with enough stridency on his own part, yet.

All this fear mongering is fine with me. Makes an Obama second term more likely.

So keep up the good work!

  
So, you want the nation to fail. Well, you can be proud of your contribution to Al Qi'ada. I hope you were well the blood of Americans you helped destroy. Obama maybe American and we were stupid enough to elect him. But the damage he will do to this nation will exceed the combined efforts all the enemies we have faced in war throughout American history. Obama will not have a second term. His economic policy or lack there of will spell the end of his administration.

If you think Bush was hated for his administration, you have not seen aything relative to what Obama will acheive.

The sad thing is, I now beleive that Obama is simply a face man. A puppet. He fills the White House but that is it. He entered office without a plan and I don't believe Rom Emanuel would let him have a plan or even write one down. I am beginning to believe that Obama is a scape goat used by the liberal left to acheive their agenda and the expense of a good man.
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Re: U.S. Citizens vs. Barack Hussein Obama

Postby Old Joe Hill » 09/07/09, 4:12 pm

a1kjl wrote:
robomatic wrote:If TheIndependent was writing about the previous administration, I'd probably be more likely to agree with his (or her) strident viewpoint, althought it strikes me as being vacuous in that it's more of a prediction of doom for doom's sake.

I voted for Obama, Obama is doing pretty much what I elected him to do, just not with enough stridency on his own part, yet.

All this fear mongering is fine with me. Makes an Obama second term more likely.

So keep up the good work!

  
So, you want the nation to fail. Well, you can be proud of your contribution to Al Qi'ada. I hope you were well the blood of Americans you helped destroy. Obama maybe American and we were stupid enough to elect him. But the damage he will do to this nation will exceed the combined efforts all the enemies we have faced in war throughout American history. Obama will not have a second term. His economic policy or lack there of will spell the end of his administration.

If you think Bush was hated for his administration, you have not seen aything relative to what Obama will acheive.

The sad thing is, I now beleive that Obama is simply a face man. A puppet. He fills the White House but that is it. He entered office without a plan and I don't believe Rom Emanuel would let him have a plan or even write one down. I am beginning to believe that Obama is a scape goat used by the liberal left to acheive their agenda and the expense of a good man.


I don't get this.  Do you think liberals are too inept to institute an agenda (which I assue will be labeled socialism), or is the liberal agenda to simply bring the US to its knees (which I have trouble figuring out why this would be a goal on the agenda), and if the liberals institute an agenda how do you know that it will damage the US more than all the combined enemies ever (which is unfair, because we have only been attacked on this soil a few times, but when the war effort bubble bursts it has always wounded us pretty bad economically.  Also, does the Confederacy count as an enemy?  Post Civil War was not a fun time.).  My point is, if liberals are inept as you think they are, there should be nothing to worry about.  Just reelect the old guard and change everything back.
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