Big Brother is Watching

Big Brother is Watching

Postby Eyas on 01/31/08, 2:37 pm

Coming Soon to America?  Who would determine anti-social behavior?  President Hillary Clinton?


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Talking CCTV cameras tell off yobs
  
MICHAEL BAILEY
30 January 2008 16:23
Talking CCTV cameras have been installed at two Norwich parks with the aim of slashing anti-social behaviour.
Eight cameras at Waterloo Park and one at Eaton Park have been connected to their own loudspeaker system and, through Norwich City Council's 33-screen, £500,000 CCTV control room, the voice of a camera operator will boom out across each park to tell off those causing a nuisance, committing low level crime and anti-social behaviour.
Norwich City Councillor Bert Bremner, responsible for community safety and cohesion, said: “It is a really positive thing for the city.
“Waterloo Park has had its problems with attacks, graffiti and arson, especially at night-time, and we want to leave these places open for people to enjoy all the time.
“These will be ways of embarrassing people and reminding them. Someone being told off for dropping litter will respond in a reasonable way, and I believe most people will say sorry and do something about it. There will be some that won't and, if the matter is serious, the police will follow it up.”
The council, which used a £35,000 grant to pay for the installation of the high-tech talking system, is one of 20 areas to receive funding for the project ran in partnership with the government's Respect Unit.
Six full-time operators man the cameras 24 hours a day and there is a direct communication link between the police and the CCTV control room.
The talking cameras have been in operation for three months already and have been used by police on two occasions, including the theft of a woman's handbag.
“We want CCTV because it means people will use their parks and aren't frightened to be there,” added Mr Bremner. “People are asking for it. We have surveyed the whole city and the response is incredibly positive.
“We are not in a police state, we are in a democracy and people understand we are doing it for their safety. This will help make these places safe.”
Although critics have likened the new talking system to the nightmare vision of the future George Orwell wrote about in his novel 1984, many people believe the advantages are worth it.
The council's operations manager Gwyn Jenson said: “We have had some teething troubles, but that is because the system we are using is innovative and hasn't been used anywhere else in the country.
“We are looking at the usage of the system and if it is a success, we'll look at expanding it further. But we think it is going to be successful and, if so, we will be looking to add the system to our other cameras across the city.”
The council ran a poster competition with the city's schools to mark the launch and 12-year-old Hollie Rayfield-Brown from Colman Junior School came up with the winning design which will be placed at cameras in each park.
Hollie was also given the chance to sit in Big Brother's chair and issue a telling off to a staged littering incident in Waterloo Park from the CCTV control room.
Hollie said: “The poster took me about three lessons and I chose litter because if everyone dropped litter the world would be really messy.
“I would wonder where the voice was coming from, but I think it's good because it makes people think twice about what they're doing.”
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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby paleocon on 01/31/08, 11:17 pm

Eyas wrote:Coming Soon to America?  Who would determine anti-social behavior?  President Hillary Clinton?

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Can you think of anyone in America more experienced with 'anti-social behavior' than Hillary Clinton?
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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby Eyas on 02/12/08, 10:06 am

"Keeping well back, Winston was able to remain outside the range of the telscreen."  
                                                - George Orwell, 1984



Police Go Live Monitoring D.C. Crime Cameras

By Allison Klein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 11, 2008; A01

D.C. police are now watching live images from dozens of surveillance cameras posted in high-crime parts of the city, hoping to respond faster to shootings, robberies and other offenses and catch suspects before they get away.
Since August 2006, the city has installed 73 cameras across the city, mostly on utility poles, at a cost of about $4 million. But until recently, officers were using them mainly as an investigative tool -- checking the recordings after crimes were committed in hopes of turning up leads and evidence.
Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier said she thought the department wasn't making the most of the technology and was missing opportunities to more quickly solve crimes -- or even stop them in progress. "I thought, 'Why the heck aren't we watching them?' " Lanier said.
And so, for about 40 hours a week, a small team of officers in the department's Joint Operations Command Center watches the live feeds from 10 to 15 of the cameras. They choose locations based on the latest crime trends -- focusing, for example, on areas in Southeast Washington beset by gun violence.
The District is following cities such as Baltimore, Chicago, New York and Philadelphia, where police have actively monitored live camera scenes for years. London is often credited with having the most extensive network -- 500,000 cameras that make up the "Ring of Steel," dating to the early 1990s. "I'd love to have the whole city wired like London," said Lanier, adding that she didn't anticipate that becoming a reality.
The District's cameras have quite a range, officials said. Officers can rotate angles for different views. They can zoom in on faces of potential suspects and pick up license plate numbers from cars several blocks away. Officers monitor 911 calls while watching the cameras, and they can switch feeds if they learn of a crime being reported at one of the sites under surveillance.
Police have directed one arrest from the command center, a drug deal they spotted at a Northwest Washington gas station a few weeks ago. Officers called in vice units that surprised the suspect.
Lanier said the initiative is a pilot project that began without any fanfare in mid-November. The D.C. Council is expected to learn details of the new use of the cameras in a report due Friday. Members will probably assess the effectiveness of the live monitoring and weigh concerns about balancing public safety and privacy.
The city first turned to cameras nearly a decade ago, creating a downtown network to aid police in monitoring large demonstrations, inaugurations and other big events. At the time, civil liberties groups and some council members raised concerns about privacy rights.
Over the years, residents in many parts of the city pushed to get cameras for crime-fighting purposes, and that led to the program's expansion into neighborhoods in 2006. Police hope to add about 50 cameras in the next two years and make other upgrades, at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Of the 73 cameras in neighborhoods, police can get live feeds from 54, officials said. Eventually, they plan to have the capability to get live images from all of the cameras.
The cameras are in public places, clearly marked with the D.C. police logo. But Arthur B. Spitzer, legal director of the Washington office of the American Civil Liberties Union, said he remains concerned about privacy. Spitzer said police will be observing more average, law-abiding people who are unaware they are being watched.
Spitzer said there is also a danger of officers "zooming in on attractive women or engaging in idle curiosity."
Mel Blizzard, the police official in charge of the camera program, said standards guard against misuse. "This is not intended to be Big Brother watching but to be more responsive to our residents' needs. As long as you put protocols in place, which we have, we can be answerable to the community and the government," he said.
The live monitoring has also raised questions about the best use of limited police resources. Typically, two or three officers are assigned to monitoring.
"To just park someone in front of a bank of monitors is not a good use of resources," said council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), head of the Committee on Public Safety and the Judiciary. "The issue of the cameras is whether we get the best bang for our buck. The more officers you have on the street, the more visibility you have."
Former D.C. police chief Charles H. Ramsey, who left office in December 2006, echoed that view. He said that under his tenure, he did not want to dedicate personnel to live monitoring, preferring to have officers on the street.
"You can always go back after the fact and look at the tape," said Ramsey, who is commissioner of the police department in Philadelphia, which implemented live monitoring before he arrived.
Lanier said that she took action last fall after officials mapped locations of shootings in the city and realized that the gunfire often was taking place within range of the cameras. The department is also using a technology called ShotSpotter, which detects the sound of gunfire in some parts of the District.
In one case, police looked at recordings of a homicide in August in Southeast. Lanier said she was appalled by the tape, which showed several people passing the victim without stopping to help, including a man smoking a cigarette while staring at the body. Ten minutes went by before anyone called 911. That incident cemented Lanier's decision to be more proactive.
"It literally makes you sick to your stomach to watch somebody executed that way," Lanier said of the images, which captured the slaying of Antwan McKinney, 38, in the middle of the 900 block of Valley Avenue SE. "The guy laid there for so long. No human being should lie there for so long."
There have been no arrests in the case.
Since the cameras were installed, investigators have pulled 130 recordings for possible use as evidence in criminal cases, officials said, although none has been used in trials. Lanier said she hopes that by watching live images, officers will pick up clues for police and prosecutors.
Neighborhood activists said they want police to be watching.
"All of [the cameras] should be monitored," said community activist Sandra Seegars, who lives in Ward 8, which has the city's highest rate of incidents of gun violence. "In my neighborhood, we're not concerned about privacy -- just keeping crime down and catching people who are committing the crimes."
On a recent afternoon in Columbia Heights, several residents said they supported live monitoring. At 14th and Girard streets, where there were multiple shootings and several homicides last year, Kafi Gregory, 27, said she hopes police start watching around the clock.
"As much crime as is going on here, they need it," Gregory said.
But despite the hopes, cameras have limitations.
A block away and slightly around the corner, a pregnant woman was walking at 14th and Fairmont streets when a man approached her, grabbed her purse and pushed her around. The robbery occurred out of camera range -- and the case has not been solved.
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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby Eyas on 02/12/08, 10:12 am

"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment.  How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual was guesswork.  It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time."
                                                          -- George Orwell, 1984

And from the New York Post:


KEEPING AN 'EYE' ON PARK CRIMES
CAMERAS COMING SOON, LIKE IT OR NOT

By RICH CALDER

WATCH OUT: Eye-in-the-sky surveillance cameras, like this one above Hudson Street, will soon be used to fight crime in city parks.
February 11, 2008 -- Big Brother may soon be watching - at your local playground.
NYPD and Parks Department officials say it's only a matter of time before parks throughout the city are equipped with crime-fighting surveillance cameras - as many other parts of the city currently are.
"It's not a matter of if we are going to use the technology but when we are going to use this technology," Deputy Parks Commissioner Kevin Jeffrey said during a recent City Council hearing on park safety.
Jeffrey said the key issues are finding funding and the best technology available to guarantee prosecution.
The comments came after Council Minority Leader James Oddo (R-SI) said the city is missing opportunities to seriously crack down on park crime by not taking advantage of video-surveillance technology.
He said he understands some communities might be against the idea of being recorded in parks, but Staten Islanders overwhelmingly support it.
Oddo said if the city wants to conduct a pilot program, three excellent borough locations are Westerleigh Park, Bloomingdale Park and New Dorp Park.
Assistant NYPD Commissioner Susan Petito said cameras are excellent deterrents to crime but could not estimate when she believed cameras would be installed in parks.
But not everyone is enamored with the plan.
"The assumption that cameras will solve all our problems is deeply misguided," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.
"While they might be appropriate in some sections of some parks, there needs to be a commitment to protecting the privacy of individuals on romantic trysts and athletes whose bumbling might be captured on tape."
There were 65 felony crimes in the city's 20 largest parks in the third quarter of 2007, compared to 68 in the second quarter, the NYPD says.
However, park advocates say the data is flawed because there is so much crime that goes unreported - particularly misdemeanor crimes like illegal dumping.
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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby R John on 02/12/08, 11:36 am

I think reality tilted more towards "Brave New World".

Brave New World (1932) is one of the most bewitching and insidious works of literature ever written.
        An exaggeration?
        Tragically, no. Brave New World has come to serve as the false symbol for any regime of universal happiness.
        For sure, Huxley was writing a satirical piece of fiction, not scientific prophecy. Hence to treat his masterpiece as ill-conceived futurology rather than a work of great literature might seem to miss the point. Yet the knee-jerk response of "It's Brave New World!" to any blueprint for chemically-driven happiness has delayed research into paradise-engineering for all sentient life.
        So how does Huxley turn a future where we're all notionally happy into the archetypal dystopia? If it's technically feasible, what's wrong with using biotechnology to get rid of mental pain altogether?
        Brave New World is an unsettling, loveless and even sinister place. This is because Huxley endows his "ideal" society with features calculated to alienate his audience. Typically, reading BNW elicits the very same disturbing feelings in the reader which the society it depicts has notionally vanquished - not a sense of joyful anticipation. In Brave New World Revisited (1958) Huxley describes BNW as a "nightmare".
        Thus BNW doesn't, and isn't intended by its author to, evoke just how wonderful our lives could be if the human genome were intelligently rewritten. In the era of post-genomic medicine, our DNA is likely to be spliced and edited so we can all enjoy life-long bliss, awesome peak experiences, and a spectrum of outrageously good designer-drugs. Nor does Huxley's comparatively sympathetic account of the life of the Savage on the Reservation convey just how nasty the old regime of pain, disease and unhappiness can be. If you think it does, then you enjoy an enviably sheltered life and an enviably cosy imagination. For it's all sugar-coated pseudo-realism.
        In Brave New World, Huxley contrives to exploit the anxieties of his bourgeois audience about both Soviet Communism and Fordist American capitalism. He taps into, and then feeds, our revulsion at Pavlovian-style behavioural conditioning and eugenics. Worse, it is suggested that the price of universal happiness will be the sacrifice of the most hallowed shibboleths of our culture: "motherhood", "home", "family", "freedom", even "love". The exchange yields an insipid happiness that's unworthy of the name. Its evocation arouses our unease and distaste.

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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby paleocon on 02/12/08, 12:11 pm

Oddly enough, it has never bothered me that the police might use cameras to monitor public places.  I guess I am terribly unconcerned about others seeing what I do in public.  

I suppose it is because I don't see a "right to privacy" in public as a constitutionally guaranteed right.  Frankly, I believe the "right to privacy" must be read into the federal constitution as it simply isn't there in the words of the document.  If the founding father's ever considered "privacy" they would have certainly said that federal law had no bearing on the matter it would have been an issue for each state.
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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby SoldiersMum on 02/12/08, 12:44 pm

paleocon wrote:Oddly enough, it has never bothered me that the police might use cameras to monitor public places.  I guess I am terribly unconcerned about others seeing what I do in public.  

I suppose it is because I don't see a "right to privacy" in public as a constitutionally guaranteed right.  Frankly, I believe the "right to privacy" must be read into the federal constitution as it simply isn't there in the words of the document.  If the founding father's ever considered "privacy" they would have certainly said that federal law had no bearing on the matter it would have been an issue for each state.



I agree with you that privacy is not a right in the constitution especially in public places.  However, the Supreme Court decided it was there somewhere between some lines.  That's how they legislated Roe vs Wade from the bench.  It wasn't based on life.  It was based on privacy.

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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby Eyas on 02/12/08, 1:00 pm

paleocon wrote:Oddly enough, it has never bothered me that the police might use cameras to monitor public places.  I guess I am terribly unconcerned about others seeing what I do in public.  

I suppose it is because I don't see a "right to privacy" in public as a constitutionally guaranteed right.  Frankly, I believe the "right to privacy" must be read into the federal constitution as it simply isn't there in the words of the document.  If the founding father's ever considered "privacy" they would have certainly said that federal law had no bearing on the matter it would have been an issue for each state.


From a legal, constitutional standpoint; you're absolutely right.

From an emotional, gut-reaction standpoint; it's creepy as hell.  -- You'll have to forgive me for "thinking" like a liberal on this one.  You're right, there's no "expectation" in public; and even that "expectation" is a construct of the court.  I can't make a good constitutional argument against this.

Still, the idea of government controlled cameras watching me all the time freaks me out; gives me the willies, the heebie-jeebies, the jumps, the jitters, cold-sweats, prickly heat, and general botheration.

You really don't find it the least bit ominous?
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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby paleocon on 02/12/08, 1:05 pm

Eyas wrote:
You really don't find it the least bit ominous?


I figured you would be perplexed by my views on this.  The way I look at it is that I still trust the local cops.  My momma taught me to behave in public.  I just don't do stuff that I wouldn't want others to see when I am out and about in public.  

Maybe I am just not thinking this through but since I could never conceive of doing anything "wrong" in public I don't care if they watch me.  Frankly, my home, office and phones were bugged and I was routinely followed while living in the FSU and I just got used to it.  Those poor chumps listening must have been so bored listening to me or following me that I pitied them.
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Re: Big Brother is Watching

Postby candance on 02/12/08, 1:49 pm

While government cameras in public are technically legal, it causes a gut reaction because of two factors:

1) What is the basis for strange behavior, and what is to stop them from moving the goal post? Will they start targeting certain demographics? Will they start supressing religious expression? Once those cameras are up and running, there will be no getting rid of them if Congress starts targeting people.

2) Just like Orwell predicted, when people get used to be watched in public, will the government start watching us in our cars, in private businesses, in classrooms?

So basically the problem is, once you ring a bell it can't be unrung.
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