Attack of the Hucksters

Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby paleocon on 01/26/08, 6:45 pm

Have you ever heard of a paragraph?  It makes LONG posts slightly easier to read.  It is a common writing skill taught in schools in many states, but perhaps not Arkansas.

I guess Huckabee had to have those roads improved to assist the influx of illegals coming into the state and pardoned convicts fleeing it.  If they got into accidents they would have probably sued the state.

You may vote for whoever you wish.  Just don't expect me to agree with you.  I don't.  Huckabee will probably do well with a sub-group of conservative, evangelical Christian voters in the primaries.  He may even carry a few Southern states.  But, he will certainly not win the primary and become the GOP candidate.  His populist message was nailed by Fred Thompson in the South Carolina GOP debate.  His economic proposals sound more like Hillary, Barrak and John Edwards than Ronald Reagan.  

Again, I don't think Mike Huckabee is a bad person.  I probably agree with him on any number of theological issues.  I would sit and pray with him and argue SEC football (true religion in the South) with him too.  But, Mike Huckabee seems to fail to understand that a Governor or President cannot act like a pastor.  A pastor has to forgive and forget the sins of his flock.  But, the person charged with chief executive responsibility in a state or nation cannot ignore justice.  Pardoning someone who injured another person gives grace to the convict but performs an injustice to the person who was originally wronged and hurt by the convict.  Mike seems to have demonstrated the fact that he doesn't understand this important difference.  

Again, I am glad you like Mike enough to vote for him.  But your arguments don't convince me that my assessment of Mike is in error.  I'll be voting for someone else.
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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby eball on 01/26/08, 8:29 pm

paleocon,

Sorry, have heard of paragraphs but didn't realize we were so formal.  Hope no one holds that against Huck!
Does it not bother you to only be able to come back with a personal attack against my writing style and the entire State of Arkansas education system.  Arkansas is not a border State (they do teach geography in the south) so clearly not Mike's fault that illegals come into the State.  Wow in fact that is part of Huck's plan on dealing with illegals securing the borders to stop the flow.  Does the fact that the founder of the Minuteman group endorsed Huck not make you believe his plan is a good one?

I certainly don't mind if you support someone else, who is it by the way?  I get tired of people who are not supporting Huck distorting his record because someone else may read the distortions and believe them.  Fred was my second choice but guess what Fred dropped out.  When people use the word populist do you not realize that the word means a majority of the people?  Being populist is like being popular.  I would hope that the conservative message is a very popular message to most folks or we lose!  I think that is a term that is thrown out to try and discredit someone like Huck when there is a lack of real reason to do so.  It is just like saying someone is playing identity politics, what a load of hooey!  Who does not want to identify with folks so they will vote for you.  Don't we play identity politics as conservatives?  Anyone who does not agree with us on ever issue is not a true conservative.  Who gets to define the term?  

A Pastor can't be President?  Why that seems rather close minded and a little bigoted.  I thought that was the beauty of our country that anyone could be President.  Why do folks always think Mercy and Justice are mutually exclusive traits?  So was Mike showing Mercy when he carried out the death penalty 16 times while Governor?

I am sorry you are convinced that Mike would not be a good President I just hope it is based on something factual about Mike or his positions and not distortions spread by his enemies.
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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby paleocon on 01/26/08, 8:59 pm

eball wrote:
Sorry, have heard of paragraphs but didn't realize we were so formal.  Hope no one holds that against Huck!
Does it not bother you to only be able to come back with a personal attack against my writing style and the entire State of Arkansas education system.  


Don’t hold anything you said against the Governor.  Don’t know why you are so thin skinned that a comment on your style becomes a “personal attack” against you and the whole state.  Lighten up if you are going to chat.  

eball wrote:I certainly don't mind if you support someone else, who is it by the way?  

When people use the word populist do you not realize that the word means a majority of the people?  Being populist is like being popular.  


My first choice was Fred Thompson.  I don’t have a second choice.  If McCain, Huckabee or Giuliani should take the nomination I won’t be voting for the GOP candidate.  Haven’t decided about Romney but it will take a lot of convincing that he isn’t lying about his past just like McCain and Huckabee.  

As for the word “populist” you obviously don’t understand the meaning of the word in its political context.  Look it up here.

eball wrote:A Pastor can't be President?  Why that seems rather close minded and a little bigoted.  I thought that was the beauty of our country that anyone could be President.  Why do folks always think Mercy and Justice are mutually exclusive traits?  So was Mike showing Mercy when he carried out the death penalty 16 times while Governor?


Never said that a Pastor can’t be President.  Go back and read what I said.  I said Huckabee needs to understand the differences in the two positions.  Mercy can be  is a good thing in a pastor.  Demonstrating God’s grace is an expected part of the job.  Enforcing the law and justice is a President’s job and wantonly, and in some cases frivolously, pardoning people does an injustice to those wronged by criminals.  

eball wrote:I am sorry you are convinced that Mike would not be a good President I just hope it is based on something factual about Mike or his positions and not distortions spread by his enemies.


Mike convinced me he is not the right man for this job.  If the people of Arkansas want him back that is their choice.  I won’t be voting for him based on what I know of his actions while in office.
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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby candance on 02/08/08, 1:12 am

Hey! Come on now! Slick Mickey is a great guy! He's a real conservative - he's pro life and...uh....um....ah...he's pro life!....and....and....he's really pro life.

I am also an evangelical who can't wrap my mind around this new phenom. Pro life liberals. We'll fight for your right to stay alive - and then we'll brainwash your children, tax 3/4 of your income, take away your freedom of speech, and lower your standard of living.....but you can't judge us because we're pro life.

Ugh. Isn't this what we left Europe for?
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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby paleocon on 02/08/08, 1:49 am

eball seems to have quieted down since his first rants.  He took great offense that I didn't support Huckabee.  Sort of like a Ru Paul supporter.  

We may all be looking for a new world to escape to by November.  Conservatives won't be welcomed by the Dems and there is no chance that McCain can win.
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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby SoldiersMum on 02/08/08, 1:56 am

Pennsylvania's primary is in April.  I have two great, swell, unacceptable candidates I could vote for.  I am now in the company of millions of disenfranchised voters since all the conservatives are gone.  I think I'm going to skip this one and register as an Independent.  Is there a third party called the American Conservative Party I could join?  Perhaps we should start one.

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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby paleocon on 02/15/08, 2:47 am

The great irony is that I voted for Huckabee in the Virginia primary because I didn't have another choice....

I bet that would make eball's head spin....

I love being unpredictable.
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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby abitreckless on 02/21/08, 11:52 pm

Yeah but (I love yeah buts), McCain is even less conservative than Huckabee.

Compare them:

Mc Cain:

Senator McCain supports human embyronic stem cell research, and according to the late Henry Hyde wanted to weaken the pro-life plank in the GOP platform.

McCain supported the ICC (where the International Criminal Court would be judging Americans). He also was part of the gang of 14, which has stopped President Bush's judicial nominess for circuit courts, etc. from going to the floor for an up or down vote.

I heard a couple of McCain's colleagues say on the radio that he went against the leadership, when the Republicans had the majority, including the culture issues.

McCain voted AGAINST drilling in ANWR, which tells me that he won't support drilling ANYWHERE in our OIL-RICH COUNTRY. MEANWHILE, China is drilling offshore of Florida.

John McCain is also the senator that liberal Democrats come to when they want a senator from the Republican side of the aisle. For instance: McCain/Feingold (limits free speech); McCain/Kennedy (amnesty); McCain/Lieberman (50 cents per gallon gas tax increase).

Senator McCain's pro-illegal immigration stance would hurt our national security, as border security is national security. Known terrorists have been caught crossing our borders.
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Huckabee:

Duncan Hunter was the most conservative, but he dropped out and ENDORSED Huckabee.

Minuteman Gilchrist, Weyrich, and other great conservatives, also endorsed Huckabee.

No one is better than Huckabee on protecting our 2nd amendent rights.

And Huckabee is truly pro-life, and is AGAINST human embryonic stem cell research (unlike McCain).

Huckabee understands the Red China threats.

While not perfect, Huckabee is WAY better than McCain, Hillary or Obama; in fact, NO CONTEST!

And that's the way it is.
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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby paleocon on 02/22/08, 11:38 am

Well, many of us here agree that McCain is the worst candidate the GOP could have nominated.  But I don't see the point of arguing whether Huckabee is more or less acceptable on any given issue considering he cannot win the nomination at this point.  

The GOP has nominated an awful candidate AGAIN and conservatives are left with a terrible position of either not voting or voting for a person who will further erode our basic liberties.
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Re: Attack of the Hucksters

Postby abitreckless on 02/23/08, 10:56 pm

paleocon wrote:Well, many of us here agree that McCain is the worst candidate the GOP could have nominated.  But I don't see the point of arguing whether Huckabee is more or less acceptable on any given issue considering he cannot win the nomination at this point.  

The GOP has nominated an awful candidate AGAIN and conservatives are left with a terrible position of either not voting or voting for a person who will further erode our basic liberties.


All we need is a Howard Dean scream incident out of McCain, and with his temper, that is indeed possible.
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