America's conservative media doesn't get it

America's conservative media doesn't get it

Postby tonyhaigh on 07/23/08, 8:07 am

I just saw FOX & Friends for the first time in my life today, and they were discussing whether or not there is an anti-woman bias in the media.  The level of naivete demonstrated among the Limbaugh, Novak, Hannity, and in general "Fox" type shows is quite astounding to me.

Tune in to Mssrs. Doocy and Kilmeade to see digitally altered photos of journalists that sit to their left, which includes just about everybody else.  

Look here to find reporters who WANT to believe a President has the authority to require reporters to turn off their microphones. I do understand the situation in China, Russia, Burma, and Cuba, but among the western democracies, only the United States  has such a plethora of viewers who are reliably fearful of open-minded intelligence.  When did our society become so in awe of authority?  
These are folks (broadcasters and their fans) who believe the New Yorker cover was making fun of Obama and his wife.  In fact this cartoon pokes fun at Fox fans.  They are the ones inclined to carry such an  uneducated, inaccurate, negatively charged images in their heads, and still actually think of themselves as "fair and balanced" (which is patently absurd!).     

On "...Friends" you'll find two males who cannot even admit to sexism in their streams.  They risk offending their own fans.  These are viewers who excited by the sexism, gossip, and one-sided emotional dogma that draws them to stations like EIB and Fox in the first place.

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Re: America's conservative media doesn't get it

Postby Treeofliberty on 07/23/08, 8:29 am

tonyhaigh wrote:I just saw FOX & Friends for the first time in my life today, and they were discussing whether or not there is an anti-woman bias in the media.  The level of naivete demonstrated among the Limbaugh, Novak, Hannity, and in general "Fox" type shows is quite astounding to me.

Tune in to Mssrs. Doocy and Kilmeade to see digitally altered photos of journalists that sit to their left, which includes just about everybody else.  

Look here to find reporters who WANT to believe a President has the authority to require reporters to turn off their microphones. I do understand the situation in China, Russia, Burma, and Cuba, but among the western democracies, only the United States  has such a plethora of viewers who are reliably fearful of open-minded intelligence.  When did our society become so in awe of authority?  
These are folks (broadcasters and their fans) who believe the New Yorker cover was making fun of Obama and his wife.  In fact this cartoon pokes fun at Fox fans.  They are the ones inclined to carry such an  uneducated, inaccurate, negatively charged images in their heads, and still actually think of themselves as "fair and balanced" (which is patently absurd!).     

On "...Friends" you'll find two males who cannot even admit to sexism in their streams.  They risk offending their own fans.  These are viewers who excited by the sexism, gossip, and one-sided emotional dogma that draws them to stations like EIB and Fox in the first place.

Regards

Tony Haigh



Mr. Haigh, I applaud your sentiments. Though I think you're missing a key point. It's not just conservative media. It's not just FOX. It's nearly all media. Objectivity is out the window for the mighty green god. Scare tactics, inacurate and ignorant reporting, and a complete and utter lack of intelligent discourse plauge the news media. It spans across all demographics and titles. When it comes down to it, the media falls in line because we as a people are willing to fall in line. Its easy and they get their dollar. The media will continue to dissapoint until we express disspointment. Turn it off, take the streets, demand something better.

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Re: America's conservative media doesn't get it

Postby tonyhaigh on 07/23/08, 2:20 pm

Tree of Liberty,  

The media plays a repeat of the history of death and teaches us little. You have correctly identified the larger context.  Thanks for the correction.  It is the "Green God" that the media bows to, and that’s a money green, not a natural green (although many participants in the Limbaugh forums do think of moneymaking, freedom, capitalism, freedom, and the free market  as being interchangeable terms).  

In order to keep the subject relevant, let’s put “conservative” in parenthesis here, and then go so far as to say that the so-called "liberal" media doesn't “get it” either.  So what is it there is to be “gotten” that they don’t “get”?  

Truth.  Without parenthesis.

Before Clinton-haters roll their eyes in dislike of people who parse and dissect as they say things like “it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is, I must point that one can equate "liberal" and “conservative” on many different fronts, and particularly on the war front.  "Left of center" does not mean much when women and children are dying, no matter how clearly one defines the center.   When profitability is the driving factor, the mainstream media only reflects varying shades of a very conservative color of grey.

After 9/11, I travelled to Shanghai and joined friends one evening in the Long Bar on Nanjing Road.  CNN and FOX were competing for advertising dollars with an onslaught of embedded, non-objective reporting on an American bombing campaign carried out from the skies above Afghanistan.   I was against that bombing from the start.  Like Saddam Hussein, Al-Qaeda is an enemy of America’s own creation:  a group of mujahedeen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to fight the Russians.    The United States had the economic and moral authority to lead a multilateral force which could peacefully bring Osama bin Laden and his immediate followers to justice, and at the same time, lead multilateral negotiations toward real progress in relations between Israel and Palestine, which was clearly at the root of the problem.  

The Bush posse had secrets to hide, friends to reward, and comfort to gain by running a much more electable and covert Clausewitz killing war (war is “…the continuation of politics by other means” ).  The God of Green would not otherwise be satisfied.   The Bush network wanted progress in securing the oil fields of Iraq and Iran.  The media networks, under the guise of democracy and under the cover of fear, (and, as you say, in bed with the politicians) both followed and lead along a well-trodden path of death and destruction.  They were and are the media, but they no longer ask questions.

In Shanghai that evening, the customers were going “oooooh” and “aaahhh!” as if they were watching a pleasant display of fireworks.   Someone expressed satisfaction to live in a world that had "liberal" networks like CNN.   His was the proof of the two-sided coin.  CNN was liberal because Fox was conservative:   “heads, you win, tails, I lose.”

CNN is arguably the more conservative, because they appear to be less so.  Conservatively, they do nothing to alter their preferred position other than to sell as many commercials as possible.  It is a network that presumes to present balance, but only suffers the fools.  


Tonight I’m in Singapore and just back from Dinner.  Fox is whining repeatedly about the media’s “love affair" with Obama.  The liberal media is playing favorites.  Obama's trip abroad is coming off so well.  No one is talking about McCain’s trip to Kennebunkport to see the old man.

Companies like to be in control of their content, so they are trying to make a long lasting story, and perhaps this one can be milked for a long time.  The media prefers to create news, rather than report on it, and Fox has a good self-serving theme here.  This idea that the media is playing favorites will build successfully.  Obama is headed to Europe, where they will love him.  This will play well with the same whining headset that plays upon American’s fear of alien faces and foreign foods, of alien currencies and foreign investment.  Few of them can afford to travel to Europe now even if they wanted to.

Whether conservative or liberal, the people do fall in line.  It is scary.  It is inaccurate.  It is ignorant.  And it is irony.  The irony of course is that Fox themselves are talking more about Obama than McCain, even if the story is about how they are talking more about Obama than McCain.
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Re: America's conservative media doesn't get it

Postby paleocon on 07/23/08, 2:58 pm

ROTFLMAO!!!!  This is among the best satire I have seen on the media in a long time.
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Re: America's conservative media doesn't get it

Postby royalcrowncola on 07/25/08, 3:52 pm

tonyhaigh wrote:I just saw FOX & Friends for the first time in my life today, and they were discussing whether or not there is an anti-woman bias in the media.  The level of naivete demonstrated among the Limbaugh, Novak, Hannity, and in general "Fox" type shows is quite astounding to me.

Tune in to Mssrs. Doocy and Kilmeade to see digitally altered photos of journalists that sit to their left, which includes just about everybody else.  

Look here to find reporters who WANT to believe a President has the authority to require reporters to turn off their microphones. I do understand the situation in China, Russia, Burma, and Cuba, but among the western democracies, only the United States  has such a plethora of viewers who are reliably fearful of open-minded intelligence.  When did our society become so in awe of authority?  
These are folks (broadcasters and their fans) who believe the New Yorker cover was making fun of Obama and his wife.  In fact this cartoon pokes fun at Fox fans.  They are the ones inclined to carry such an  uneducated, inaccurate, negatively charged images in their heads, and still actually think of themselves as "fair and balanced" (which is patently absurd!).     

On "...Friends" you'll find two males who cannot even admit to sexism in their streams.  They risk offending their own fans.  These are viewers who excited by the sexism, gossip, and one-sided emotional dogma that draws them to stations like EIB and Fox in the first place.

Regards

Tony Haigh


Wow!  That was quite a zinging bit of evaluation to come from one's FIRST VISIT TO A NEWS PROGRAM.  Are you sure you weren't reading your own biases into what you saw?  

Naw....that couldn't be at all...
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Re: America's conservative media doesn't get it

Postby paleocon on 07/25/08, 4:12 pm

royalcrowncola wrote:
Wow!  That was quite a zinging bit of evaluation to come from one's FIRST VISIT TO A NEWS PROGRAM.  Are you sure you weren't reading your own biases into what you saw?  

Naw....that couldn't be at all...


I guess that is one of the benefits of being "omniscient."  They know everything so they don't have to let little things like facts and empirical evidence cloud their minds.  

To mere mortals like you and me it appears to be bias or arrogance.  But, to all knowing liberals, it is just omniscience.
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